Kyler Bradford u see this
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Kyler Bradford as an opportunity to convert atheists to god
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joe in cal muss - so you fail on the first premise as 1 a matter of fact and 2 a matter of argument fallacy- begging the question
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mark1_mcgrady Muss do you know why Muslims have become so hatefull I don't
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Kyler Bradford its the only reason believers come to this room after all
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MussuM No its not
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joe in cal you tried to include in your premise the exact thing we're trying to prove
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MussuM I want to learn your view simply put Kyler
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MussuM NO wait Joe
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MussuM you are going too fast mate
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joe in cal i'm right here
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MussuM I say they dont appear out of nothing
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joe in cal sorry - it's not that fast but i can go slow as you need
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aland20022002 it is impossible for anyone to prove to an atheist that god is real. it has never happened and it never will
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MussuM there is transfert of energy
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MussuM now you say there is no transfer of energy
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MussuM is that correct?
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MussuM I say this is not proven at all
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joe in cal you are incorrect
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MussuM now if Iam wrong show me the scientist who said this is purely appearing from nothing
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MussuM ok so energy and matter appear in the universe
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saturnbat I believe in something, really with no scientific proof, more of a feeling. I've been labeled weak for it but I like coming here because I am at a crossroads on what it is I believe and honestly Ive found the nicest people to be in this room lol, sorry Ill
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MussuM thats new
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saturnbat but out again lol
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joe in cal subatomic partivcles do
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Kyler Bradford aland said something for once without adding onto it " i have autism" , youre not as dumb as you always say your are, youre too hard on yourself, you say some good things something @aland
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Kyler Bradford u say some good things sometimes*
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joe in cal it's not
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joe in cal it's about 50 years old at least
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MussuM thats not what I read on the subject Joe, care to show me the article that shows they dont need a vacuum or a quantum field
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joe in cal and your premise also failed for begging the qurestion
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MussuM and that the particules are created out of nothing
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joe in cal read more
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MussuM yes thats a good point
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MussuM we can alwas learn
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joe in cal so you understand how the premise begs the question?
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MussuM so the universe has matter being added to it
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Kyler Bradford saturnbat you really think the nicest people are in this room, I thought this room was full of agggressive argumentative freaks
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MussuM thats a good point if its true I will take it in
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saturnbat Oh well, they've been nice to me lol
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MussuM Kyler it depends but you did find me boring and so on when I was simply having a good conversation. Its a kind of agressiveness
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Kyler Bradford i find believers who say the same stuff we all heard before, who say "god exists because he exists " like you did
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Kyler Bradford i find that boring yes
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saturnbat you want proof?
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MussuM Alright Joe so this point I suspend. I will look it up
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Kyler Bradford ill never get proof
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Kyler Bradford no im not asking them 4 proof
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joe in cal but we do not need to suspend the premise- we can dismiss it
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saturnbat I was just trying to keep up with the convo going on here
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joe in cal as it also begs the question
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mark1_mcgrady Kyler were you being nice there
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Kyler Bradford what you mean
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joe in cal you asserted - 'everything we observe has a cause' this is exactly the question we are trying to answer
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MussuM Yes Joe dismiss it. Subatomic particules appear out of pure nothingness no vacuum nothing. if thats the case dismiss it
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joe in cal muss - even if we put aside that point until you learn about it
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MussuM they are uncaused, independent elements
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joe in cal we still have the direct fallacy of begging the question
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MussuM go for it
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MussuM adress it
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joe in cal muss - i did
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joe in cal ll do it again
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joe in cal your premise was 'everything we observe has a cause'
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MussuM sorry might have missed it
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joe in cal this is called begging the question
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MussuM what does that mean, begging the question
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joe in cal the question we are trying to answer is if everything ( including the universe) has a cause
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MussuM sorry english isnt my first language ha
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joe in cal you are attempting to state the RESULT as a premise
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MussuM I can use an inductive argument
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MussuM saying everything we obvserve has a cause. Now thats not true it turns out
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joe in cal ok...so you want to eliminate your previous argument
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MussuM but I dont see how it would be a fallacie
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joe in cal ok.....so we toss out your argument
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Kyler Bradford my view of what death will be, is like when we sleep without a dream, there is nothing there, complete unawareness until you wake up, in my opinion death will be exactly like when you sleep without a dream.
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joe in cal i named the fallacies
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MussuM yes toss it out. That one is no good indeed if matter appear from pure nothingness
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joe in cal ok...it'sc tossed
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saturnbat I kinda had that had that same view on death kyler
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saturnbat death is just sleep
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MussuM so the claim would then be
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joe in cal so..... what other 'logical' argument do you have for gods?
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mark1_mcgrady You seem angry about an atheist and a Christian talking I was asked by Josh if I would talk to him
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