top 10 rappers?? (Page 2)

HArrisonDubs
HArrisonDubs: Notorious B.I.G
Big L
Nas
Common
Mos Def
Tupac
Jay-Z
Eminem
Immortal Technique .. but they're F@$w&x up
Kanye West
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kelpraj
kelpraj: Any rap compilation without jay em and 2pac not in the top 5 should be discarded and thrown into the trash and that is to put it lightly and without going into further debate here is the list

1. 2pac
2. Jay z
3. Em
4. Snoop
5. Nas
6. Kanye
7. Ludacris
8. Dmx
9. Dr. Dre
10. 50
first of all i know some may view this differently but i was shocked to find dmx was in none of your lists how the %@$%@$ is that even possible and you put bow wow, bow wow is not a rapper!!!!guys i grew up on the man dmx i remember coming from failing some exam 7 yrs ago and the first thing in the deck would be my man dmx , then ofcourse some of you might raise eyebrows of 50 at 10. well he would have not even made my list coz for me his just a commercial entity no art what so ever and hence for the simple fact of being diplomatic he had to be in the list special mention has to go to my man Pharrel, N.E.R.D is his rock.

the only person who came close to the list that i have above but bow wow lil wayne, and 50 are the small things that we disagree, is japs0508
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KidBlaze98
KidBlaze98: Yo, dude, It's like this...to quote what someone else once said: "There's so many rappers out there and chances are no two list are going to be the same...But isn't that what makes it a great list?". Just in case you didn't notice, there are LOT of rappers out there...and depending on what you like to listen to, your list is going to be different from someone else's that likes different stuff. Take me for example...I like to listen to a lot of laid-back, "intellectual" hip hop like Black Thought from The Roots and Nas. But, I also like a bit of hardcore rap, like Wu-tang clan and Public Enemy...but for what it's worth, DMX is okay, Jay-z flamed out by the first Blueprint in my opinion and I've got mad respect for Pac, but not really my style, you know...so you shouldn't be all "If you don't like this person, you don't know what hip hop is", because everyone is different.
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kelpraj
kelpraj: first of all wycleaf jean is not a rapper no matter what you listen to.even if you listen to music from the moon i dont disregard difference in order i disregard putting wycleaf over not putting dmx in a rap list at all its nothing to do with taste its just undiplomatic to put it lightly. And secondly we are making a top ten list of rappers, not a what i like over the other list we could have put beyonce in this list if we go on like this, i mean i'm not trying to be harsh or anything but what is the criteria do we use to put wycleaf jean in a rap list???? i dont understand, give me enlightenment as to how that can happen. And then to put bow wow instead of dmx???? its like not putting pac in the list at all ok let me give you an example and i dont mean to burn anyone hence ill just copy their list and i wont mention their name

1. Busta Rhymes
2. KRS-One
3. Shad K
4. Talib Kweli
5. Andre 3000
6. Lupe Fiasco
7. Common
8. Royce Da 5'9"
9. Wyclef Jean
10. MF Doom

Now pac is not in the list jay doesnt exist neither does nas, snoop, em kanye and all my cats,this looks more like a hip hop list not a rap list. And yes you are right tht there are alot of rappers out there but let us filter the best 10 EVER and put them on the list not just waking up one mornin and vomiting some list that you dreamt that night so that some of us cats can actually take you seriously.
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Forealz
Forealz: top 10

1. NAS
2. Tupac
3. Notorious B.I.G
4. Jay-z
5. Eminem
6. DMX
7. Shyne
8. Cannibus
9. Immortal Techniques
10. The Game
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masta_ov_desasta
masta_ov_desasta: 1# ludacris 4sho
2 t-pain
3Ti
4chris brown
5soulja boi
6tha game
7akon
82pac
9biggie
10plies
that iz how it b
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BlackCaesar
BlackCaesar: Ok, so this is a response to katpraj's post. If you have forgotten, this is the list (my list) he was responding to, go back a page or two.

Clearly.. you're incredibly short sighted, because if you looked at the bottom of the list you;d see this:

[Note: Remember these are FAVOURITES not who I think are the best.]

Now.. I've taken the time to highlight your random ramblings. Ok.. lets begin.

-- disregard putting wycleaf over not putting dmx in a rap list at all its nothing to do with taste its just undiplomatic to put it lightly. --

-- what is the criteria do we use to put wycleaf jean in a rap list???? --

Wyclef Jean has to be one of the most lyrical emcees and a brilliant artists that have ever set foot in the hip hop game. As far as I'm concerned he's an emcee that's also a rapper. If you want to say som bs like, "He's can't be a rapper because he sings," then you're killing yourself for putting Kanye in your list. (Yeah.. I went there.)

DMX? Um... not really. I mean, I really like the dude, raps from his his soul, so just about everything he says is sincere. However, he gave up a place in my top 10 list when he started doing nonsense and started rapping less and less and pulling ridiculous stunts like pretending to be a police officer. Earl Simmons is not in my top 10. There's no way I'm going to base my favourite or best rappers of all time on a relice of what's past. "Well he was good back in the day..." That doesn't fly with me. That's like me saying Terrel Davis is the BEST running back of all-time. (By the way.. lol @ undiplomatic.. really? Sigh...)

Now.. personally.. I don't see why everyone thinks Pac is one of the greatest.. I really don't. He WASN'T that great. He was good, but really, dude's lyrics weren't inspirational, they weren't amazing, if anything they were emotional, paranoid and vindictive, which is fine. However, just because he rapped from his soul like a lot of other rappers, doesn't make him the best or even in the top 10. If you want to go on that tip, Biggie was a better rapper in terms of flow and rhyming skills. Now if you want to base it on influence, a lot of rappers will say that Pac influenced them, but I think it's for different reasons. People liked Pac more for what he stood for and not his actual skill. He was always in the news, constantly in trouble and fighting against a huge system and still surviving.

--And yes you are right tht there are alot of rappers out there but let us filter the best 10 EVER --

You need to ask yourself what makes a good rapper.. what he says? the way he says it? or both? If it's commercial sales.. then it's a whole different story. If you chose commercial sales, then Soulja Boy and Nelly should probably be in your list or at least honourable mentions.

"The best 10 ever" How can you possibly know who the best 10 ever, you're only basing this on emcees you're able to see in the mainstream media. If peoples didn't talk about Pac so much and they weren't still pumping records out of his old pads, he probably wouldn't be on your list. Both Big Pun, Proof and Big L were MUCH better rappers than Pac and have both passed on, but because people aren't still resurrecting their old pads and rhymes, people already seem to forget them.

I want you all to understand. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE BEST IN TERMS OF HIP HOP/RAP. Someone else's best if going to be different due to the experiences and/or feelings when they listen to records. That's why rap and hip hop is divided into genres (backpack, commercial, gangsta, etc.). If you want to discuss who's the best rapper in a sub genre, fine. If you want to discuss who sold the most records, fine. But there is no best of all time in general, there is only a best of all time to YOU.

There are more quotes I can go on about in your post, but this post itself is too long

~B'Ceez
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BlackCaesar
BlackCaesar: PS. T-PAIN IS NOT A RAPPER OR AN EMCEE. Stop embarrassing yourselves.
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KidBlaze98
KidBlaze98: Word, Black Caesar! That was a real good post...I don't think I could have put it better myself...well, actually, I know I couldn't because I'm kinda a noob when it comes to music compared to other hip hop heads here. So, just for the heck of it...here's my list again...

Kayne west...his newer songs suck, but his first three albums were good!

Rakim...the freakin' god of hip hop in the flesh!

Lupe fiasco...not the best lyrically, but there's something about him that makes me like his music...maybe it's his nerdiness

Fort minor...yeah, he's more under ground, but a lot of his tracks are ill!

Method man...the best member of the Wu!

Talib kweli...in my opinion, he's the best lyrically hip hop artist ever!!...well to me anyway

Nas...Illmatic, Stillmatic, God's Son, Untitled...need I say more

Hi-tek...again, not the most lyrically rapper, but there's something about him that I like.

Immortal technique...listen to his new album "The third world"...there's your explanation

Jean grae...the best female emcee out there in my opinion...go check out her new album!!

Oh, btw, not to single anyone out, but Chris Brown...not a rapper or emcee...just saying.
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Forealz
Forealz: BlackCaeser big ups on the post reply styll i misinterpited mine i 4got to put thats my opinion in the end of the list: but ur rite u cnt really make a list bcz rappers/Mc's some fade wit time nd sum r styll around but jus don't produce the way they use too:As for ur point it's tru rappers/mc's can b categoriezd according to there style nd flow i.e soulja boy could b considered good commercially cus thats his style of rappin: As for DMX yea his time passed but he'll always b one of those mc's with his own style who paved his way to get wher he did, i'm not sayin he compares to Rakim,KRS-one,Biggie,Pac or Nas but he was one of those dudes who made a name for himself:About Tupac i'm not saying he tha best jus to jump that band-wagon wen u listen to any of his tracks lyrics jus speak to u bout tha mans struggle nd anything else the man is rhyming about, yes i do agree Biggie was a better than Pac lyrically but thats his own style of flow:Biggie's rhymes jus flow's wit the beat but Pacs rhymes were deep!but yea Mc's cnt b put into any top ten cus there r to many who deserve to b in tha spot nd depends on there style is how they get categorized. (and no wtf? T-Pain is not a rapper nor Chris Brown!)
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kelpraj
kelpraj: I love the way you guys are so indignant its heartwarming that you ganged up to bash me to death over an issue tht is so obviously ????AH, thts one thing i find great about you guys you GUYS have B*lls(sorry couldnt put it any other way). Now b4 i go on Forealz your list is quality you have thot it through and i commend you for that your the life boat in the sea of misery that befalls this blog, there are a few others who deserve special mention and these are BIGWHITE23 Nova4785 And as for BlackCaesar im sorry for this but you have made it a full fledged war, how the hell do you ignore pac from your list and put somebackyard dude who is battling to make it. Pac came from backyard and did something with his life you can call it symbolic or whatnot but the issue is he was and still is a resounding success he makes more money dead than most do alive, and this doesnt mean my criteria for the best rappers is how much money they make if that had been the case 50 would have topped my list!!How do you feel if i wake up one morning and just utter some great artist from my country or any country i have heard and say he is in my top ten because he is GOOD!?!?!?! And this is rappers not hip hop heads top list if it had been ild have put pharrel in there easily and missy elliot would have made it or eve for that matter. I bet you have all the artists discs that you put in the list on the top of your listening list rite now and they just had to be plugged in as rappers,and Kidblaze im sorry you support him coz how the hell do you ignore Jay z, he has 10 number 1 best selling albums only the beatles and Abba have more. Guys this is not rocket science, and then an issue my argument is not the order thats why I SAID THE ORDER IS NOT AN ISSUE, my problem is the people you have in it. If your list has none of the rappers that i have in the top ten, NONE AT ALL YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR HEAD EXAMINED. Coz that means you havent been alive for the past 15 yrs, and these matters are beyond your comprehension.
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kelpraj
kelpraj: Nova4785 and BIGWHITE23 are some of the pips who have a well thought out list not some vomit enducing list
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BlackCaesar
BlackCaesar: Anyone else laughing hard or is it just me? Did you just say if I don't agree with your list that I should have my head examined? Gang up on you, so.. if someone disagrees with you, it's an attack on you? Why are you acting like a child. We're trying to have a calm discussion and you're getting bent out of shape.

[[And as for BlackCaesar im sorry for this but you have made it a full fledged war, how the hell do you ignore pac from your list and put somebackyard dude who is battling to make it.]]

Like I said before, your list is only people you see in mainstream media. Just because they're in the lime light or have been doesn't make them better it just means that someone endorsed them or they were able to find an audience to support them or they were able to get there so their message would be heard.

The "best" rapper might be in the studio trying to get a new album out but is being pushed to the side by label heads who want to go with something that's more of a sure thing (pop idol, rock band, etc.), might be in a different country and doesn't speak English, might be working the mixtape game or might have a 9-5 because they can't risk trying to follow their dreams right now or ever. Media backing does not make you better than anyone else, neither does being successful in record sales. Like I said, if Pac wasn't in the media like he was/is, would you STILL think he was the best that ever did it?

[[How do you feel if i wake up one morning and just utter some great artist from my country or any country i have heard and say he is in my top ten because he is GOOD!?!?!?!]]

If you named somebody from any country that I don't know and said (s)he was good, I would check out his music. Why wouldn't I? If we're discussing music and someone says he's good, why wouldn't I check him/her out? So what are you saying makes the best rapper? I don't get it. I really don't. The way I see it, a good rapper is someone who represents a record label, raps and is good at it.

You keep on saying that record sales doesn't make the best rapper, but you keep on mentioning it, is it part of it or what? Basketball player A might be getting payed more than Basketball player B, but that doesn't make him better does it? It just means he's getting paid more. I like Jay-Z. I like his flow, his rhyming skills and his lyrical content most of the time, really in my opinion he deserves to be on the best list for a lot of people.

Again, I have to re-iterate:
If none of these people were in the mainstream media would you still think they're the best? Answer that for me before you start saying stuff like we need our heads examined. The way you talk is disrespectful and belligerent. The only one that's coming across as attacking anyone is you. The reason why there is no such thing as a best rapper is because there is no set criteria that makes rappers good or bad. In one person's opinion it could be skill, in a label's it could be how much they sell and in another's it could be whether or not they can dance to it that makes them the best. Rapping is pretty much an art.

Asking someone choose who is the best rapper of all time is similar to asking someone to choose who's the best painter of all time. It doesn't work. If I asked you who was a better painter, Picasso or Monet. How could you answer, both have different styles and tend to paint different things. One person will say Picasso is the best because they like cubism as a style and some will say Monet is the best because they like the way he paints landscapes. It goes the same way for rappers. As long as you have a reason for thinking or feeling that said person is the best, than they are the best in your eyes. If you're saying such and such is the best just because everyone else does, then you're not representing them properly. As long as you can explain yourself, then it's all good.
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BlackCaesar
BlackCaesar: I gotta stop with these super long posts... feels like I'm writing essays.

For the record:

When Pac was alive he wasn't as getting as much air time as you'd think with all the acclaim he gets now. In fact, Pac was in the media more because of all the things that were going on in his life rather than his actual ability as a rapper. Most of the tracks that he made when he was actually alive not a lot of people remember.

The time when he really started to get big was after he was about to go to jail or got shot for the first time and was approached by Death Row Records' Suge Knight. When he signed the 'Row he was getting more hits thanks to being on a label with more income. At that time, he was big but not even THAT big. Pac started selling more albums when he died, his Greatest Hits album went 9 times Platinum.

If Pac had the same skill and didn't die, would people still think he's the best? A lot of those raps that came out after he died probably would never have been used. Or what if he did die, but he wasn't beefing with Biggie? If the whole East Coast vs West Coast beef the media started was never imagined, would Pac be such a big deal? Would he have died in obscurity or not? Would all those old raps that hey had written still be released? even if they were, would anyone have really cared?

The thing people remember most about Pac is the struggle more than anything else.. and it's not his struggle with the pad and pen.
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kelpraj
kelpraj: I think i am 'slowly' understanding you. Your the guy who has the romantic notion that there are artists who are not being supported out there but lets be honest, the music business is very ruthless, and very difficult let me put it this way jay z was once that guy who had to get backing from boardroom staff.

'The "best" rapper might be in the studio trying to get a new album out but is being pushed to the side by label heads who want to go with something that's more of a sure thing (pop idol, rock band, etc.), might be in a different country and doesn't speak English, might be working the mix tape game or might have a 9-5 because they can't risk trying to follow their dreams right now or ever.' to quote you

First of all there is a flaw in your ROBIN HOOD SYSTEM of choosing the top ten. And another thing Ive noticed you want to discredit the fact that sales have something to do with success, im an accounting student and i don't say this to impress you or give you the shivers!! but if theres one thing i believe in it is the market, the market over time never lies you are what the market says you are. if you have not broken the market then your are not worthy of the markets recognition. It is not my only point of reference but it is one of the indicators and the other is that he has to be a rapper!Noe let me tell you why your robin hood system doesn't work. Longevity is one of the things that makes me compile this list and your relevance to the audience.You are not judged as best rapper over one album your longevity is a telling factor. Did you see how Get Rich or die trying and Massacre sold so much but what next????? That is the simple reason why 50 is not a legend and Pac is and so is Jay and EM. You think it wasnt hard for em and Nas to break the big time it was, just read their autobiographys and youll know.And to suggest that Pac wasnt big when he was still alive is just blatantly not true.

'When Pac was alive he wasn't as getting as much air time as you'd think with all the acclaim he gets now. In fact, Pac was in the media more because of all the things that were going on in his life rather than his actual ability as a rapper. Most of the tracks that he made when he was actually alive not a lot of people remember. 'to

and yes i agree that he was in the media alot because of his character but do you know that given his short career he produced more songs than any other artist in that space of time and he did get recognition before he died you forget that they were comparing him to biggie long before he died and this had nothing to do with character it had everything to do with talent!

My argument with you to quote you is not whether Monet or Picasso is the best painter my problem with your list is that Monet and Picasso are not even on your list.And finally i will ask you this one question i will go out on a limb and give you the four corners policy that enabled me to put the 10 that i have on the list and i just want to know what four things you looked at to compile your list.

1.Longevity
2.Success over time(success of all the albums)
3.Talent
4.Classic or fad{Will it last all time or is it a in the moment album or song}

And i agree these long essays have to stop it Does feel like we are writing an ESSAY!!!!
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BlackCaesar
BlackCaesar: [[First of all there is a flaw in your ROBIN HOOD SYSTEM of choosing the top ten. And another thing Ive noticed you want to discredit the fact that sales have something to do with success]]

No, not at all. Sales are important, but it's tricky and I don't think it really determines who's a good rapper. If Rapper A and Rapper B are both equally good when it comes to flow, punchlines and lyrics, but Rapper A is signed to Universal and Rapper B is signed to an Independent label, Rapper A is most likely going to sign more. Not because he's better, simply because his label has got the money to put out commercials so more people will here about him. It doesn't mean he's better, it just means his PEOPLE have more money. It doesn't make him a better rapper.

I'm not saying sales have nothing to do with being a SUCCESSFUL rapper, I just don't think it makes you a GOOD rapper. As a rapper, defining what success means to you is important: record sales? being regarded as

[[My argument with you to quote you is not whether Monet or Picasso is the best painter my problem with your list is that Monet and Picasso are not even on your list.]]

This really goes back to my original post where I said I was listing my favourites, not who I actually think is the best.

And my argument is that just because it's recognized that Monet and Picasso are some of the best, they are not necessarily the best in your eyes. The BEST is not the same for everyone and can not be globally the same for everyone.

I'll stick with painters since we're there. Vincent Van Gogh is currently regarded as one of the greatest painters of all time, his paintings sell for ridiculous amounts of money. However, when he was alive he died with little acclaim. Thanks to his peers, other artists that saw his brilliance, exhibits were put up with his work. Van Gogh didn't become better after he died, it just took longer for people to realize how good he was. It took other painters who had money to tell the mass he was good.

I'm not discrediting Monet or Picasso by saying Van Gogh might be better, I'm just saying there are lesser known artists that can be better. Just because I said someone is better than someone else doesn't mean I'm saying he sucks.
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kelpraj
kelpraj: you still havent given me the four things that you used to choose your top 10 i want to know
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kelpraj
kelpraj: ok i get your point you were listing your favs not THE TOP TEN then your list is understandable in that case i hadnt read the post were you stated that the list is of your favs
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Forealz
Forealz: If it's four things that make a good rap artist/mc it should all depend on how you want to categorize them because evry1 has different expectations from evry artist wheter it b lyrics,techniques,presentation,talent and ability to sell/or sell-out in the industry. i.e you can't determine them through longetivity because there are artist who aren't mentioned nowadays but still iconic in the rap industry like Public Enemy,Krs-one,and Run Dmc they had there success,were talented,will always b classic,but over time they just ain't around like they once were.Again I'm not postin this to bash on anyone just want evryone to know that we all expect diff things from all artist so when you ask what makes some better than others look at the lyrics,the talent if it is there or not,presentation in there music,albums,and sometimes videos:Also if they could stick to their craft without selling them'self short to the industry cus lets face it the rap industry is make or break but sometimes u gotta do what it takes to sell records: i.e Jay-z has always stayed grounded to his style from the start but adjusted his style with the times could we all know rap style's--format has changed from the late 80's,90's til now but Hov never went selling out he stuck to basic 10 #1 albums later still considered one of the best.

Point being we expect different things from every artist so expect different opinions from evryone.

Pcz~
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Big B
Big B: First off I'd like to say, f**k yo list.
This is mine.
Biggie
Pac
Nas
Big Pun
Big L
Rza
Gza
Method Man
Xzibit
Talib Kwali

Favs look different but as far as impact on hip-hop this is my top ten.
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kelpraj
kelpraj: UHH its back,I thought Charles Darwin had taken care of you. Forealz you never cease to amaze me over a period of approximately 5 days,me and BlackCaesar finally agreed. And i got to see what he had done he had put a list of the top ten of what he likes to listen too not the top ten rappers list and that is were we left it and i respect his list. As for you I dont even understand your beef with me your list, it is respectable and it is of sound quality i have nothing against it but what surprises me about your retoric in the last letter for example is that i asked for the 4 qualities that anyone uses to compile such a list and you instead of just putting the four things that you used to compile your list which i repeat i greatly appreciate and that of BigB 303 as well, the only problem i have with BigB_303 is that Jay z is not in his list. Now instead of writing what qualities you were looking at, is your began to chop and ostracize the qualities that I stated, now the problem i have with that is that you were bashing longevity for example which is a viable quality which i found strange.
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BUBBLIE KANDY
BUBBLIE KANDY: 1.2pac
2.method man
3.jay z
4. biggy
4.nas
5.O.D.B
6.LL cool J
7.Easy E
8.bone thugz
9.Enimem
10.Snoop
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KidBlaze98
KidBlaze98: Nice list, BUBBILE KANDY...but, I still don't understand why your so uptight about what you base your list on, kalpraj....but, whatever...here are three thing I base my list on:

1. Lyrical content in their songs
2. Their originality and innovation
3. and their heart or what some people call 'hustle'

The third reason is why I hesitated to put Jean Grae on my list at all, but it's also why I put Talib Kweli on it. As far as perseverance goes, Talib is hard to top...well, except for Papoose or that Lil' Wayne guy...,but whatever he's still great.
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KidBlaze98
KidBlaze98: Oh, btw as far as the whole influce on hip hop, Biggie is superior to every except for Rakim....My god, how many rappers have bitten off Biggies rhymes??
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Big B
Big B: Jay-z is good, the problem i have with putting him on the list is i dont think he had the positive effect on the game the rest of my list did. "i dont write rhymes, i write checks" he gloryifed the hustle and forgot about the flow.
And Nas murdered him back in the day! Remember that?
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