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winterOfdiscontent
winterOfdiscontent: someone no, I did. You can address to me the same way I will address to you: Just by bringing up such a digusting -and illegal btw- topic to this thread that only asks to have a new public room open for lgbt associates the idea to us who have chosen not to be straight. You could have referred to anything else, but peculiar as it is, you chose to refer to abusers in a thread related to non straight sexualities. pathetic, I pity your brain for it has to process your ideas and line of thought. Besides, your logic is absurd. gay marriage is legal in my country, but when it was being voted in the senate, I heard many cavemen using your exact words.
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ZhyaZhya (Wireclub Moderator)
Zhya: Have you tried to actually contact Rod about this?

Creating a club about it won't be enough to grab his attention. You never know, he might appeal to the concept.
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danigrrl
danigrrl: I've contacted Rod about other issues and he has never responded. I don't know who manages the suggestion boxes that sometimes appear after I login, but I have expressed my wishes on those a couple of times. A mod told me that this issue was being discussed so hopefully it will reach Rod's ears. Two mods have added to the conversation already. I would hope they passed the message on to Rod as well.
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: i figgured out a solution, make a boot-bot that boots anyone who says "f%$" or "qy$%x".

and i wasnt trying to make any type of sexual deviancy comparison with my examples, i was just saying, if you start adding rooms based on discrimination, where does it end? i could demand a room for alcoholics, and claim discrimination if not granted? think objectively, and not just about yourself and your own wants. to request and lobby is fine, but to demand is selfish and immature.
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winterOfdiscontent
winterOfdiscontent: alcoholism is an illness, you seem to follow a pattern. Cant you just say that as much as I want a public room for gays so would dog lovers or cat lovers, or poetry writers or anything like that? What kind os issues do you have? Seriously. Use your brain! HOw could a criminal claim discrimation on something banned byt law (abusers)? or how can alcoholics, when they have an addiction that should be treated? If they did their claim wouldn't be legit, whereas ours is. The sole comparison is irrational, full of prejudice and derisory.

You impress me: this is how you pretend to be objective yourself?
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danigrrl
danigrrl: The problem with such a boot-bot is that some LGBTs refer to themselves and each other as f%z~ and queers. In that context, they're not being offended.

A LGBT room wouldn't be made on the basis of discrimination, I would hope. It would just be a room that embraces the fact that many members of WC are LGBTs or strongly support LGBTs. It wouldn't be a room about myself and my wants. There are many others on here like me. At this point, I'm lobbying for the room. I have no power to demand anything on WC.
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ava_california
ava_california: Only eight people have commented on this topic. It looks like there
may not be enough interest in such a public room.
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danigrrl
danigrrl: As only 38 have joined so far, 8 isn't so bad. Especially when you consider that most people who join clubs don't comment anyways. If more people spread the message about the club around, more would join.
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winterOfdiscontent
winterOfdiscontent: oh well, perhaps the blog isnt spread enough, but we could eventually do some advertisement? lol
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: winter, your reading into things that were never intended. i could demand a furry dog room and claim discrimination? i was just thinking of contriversial things that recieve real or percieved discrimination. in many countries homosexuality is still controversial and gays are still being persecuted, especially in islamic countries.

i understand that gays recieve persecution from randoms all the time, and this seems to have made you very thin-skinned, i really meant no offense and i apologise for providing bad examples.

I am pretty sure that wireclub is not discriminatory against gays or they would have never made billy a mod, and i really dislike it when people read discrimination and racism into situations where there is no evidence of them existing. just because you have been discriminated against in the past does not mean that you can demand whatever you want on the grounds of discrimination, there has to be clear evidence to make that kind of accusation.
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danigrrl
danigrrl: lol winter. It's a shame because I have about 800 people on my list but few of them actually read blogs. There has to be a better way to promote it.
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: send out 800 messages
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winterOfdiscontent
winterOfdiscontent: Actually I have never been discriminated as an individual, dont take the possibility for granted.

And dani, perhaps most people are like me, rofl, ignorants at what LGBT stands for. I admit I only clicked in your blog because it was you, pfft, hahaha.
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danigrrl
danigrrl: Spamming to the 100th degree right there lol
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danigrrl
danigrrl: You'd think they'd at least click the link to find out what LGBT is winter
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: its not spam if you only send it to your lgbt friends who would be interested. i came here cause i saw on my updates that a friend joined, id figgure if they have concern on the topic, they will come, especially if they see activity linking to this room, unless that many people really dont know what lgbt is.

winter, i hope that you accepted my apology, and a second one for assuming your abuse. i promnise that i did not come here to start trouble.
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winterOfdiscontent
winterOfdiscontent: Well perhaps the title wasn't dramatic enough. I suggest:
This maybe my last blog because terrible things have happened.

And the blog saying: "Lack of people in this club (club goes here)has led me to a deep depression. Join Or I will kill myself and after that delete you all " NOw that will have to work ...no?
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danigrrl
danigrrl: It's really sad how many people have you used your first example for a blog name winter lol

deep, what I had also hoped for was that the people who had joined would have spread the message. Then again, everyone joins clubs without giving much thought to them. Still, as such a specific club, I would have thought more people would be backing it.
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: i spammed a bdsm room with this club, because most all of them are bi, dunno why theyre not interested. give it time
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danigrrl
danigrrl: Any help is much appreciated. For such a small club, it was nice to see mods giving it some thought.
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: both those mods joined
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danigrrl
danigrrl: I noticed. More importantly, they added to the conversation.
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Master_Wolfman
Master_Wolfman: THE BIGGEST QUESTION IS NOT SHOULD THERE BE A LGBT ROOM OR WHY ISNT THERE AN LBGT ROOM OR WOULD IT CAUSE MORE HARM THAN GOOD SHOULD BE THIS:

IF THRE WAS AN LGBT ROOM - WOULD THERE BE ENOUGH "COMMUNITY" SUPPORT TO MAKE IT A VIABLE ROOM? THE CANADIAN ROOM IS NOT EXCLUSIVELY CANADIAN'S.
JUST LIKE THE MEMEBER ROOMS DEDICATED TO SPECIFIC COUNTRIES, STATES, CITIES, IDEOLOGIES, PHILOSOPHIES, ETC.
LIKE THE COMMUNITY (IRL) THIS ROOM WOULD BE A WELCOME HAVEN FOR PERSON WHO ARE PART OF OR SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

TRUE - THERE ARE GOING TO BE THE HATEFUL PEOPLE WHO INTENTIONALLY AND SELECTIVELY ATTACK THE ROOM TO START BUT IT HAPPENS ANYWAY IN OTHER ROOMS, JUST AS OFTEN.

LBGT SHOULD BE MADE AS A RESPECT BASED OPEN FORUMN ROOM FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE OR ARENT GAY, LESBIAN, BISEXUAL, OR TRANS.

I MYSELF AM AN OPENLY BISEXUAL MALE, AND WHOLLY WELCOME THE PROPOSAL OF THIS TYPE OF ROOM.
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: to determine the amount of wireclub users that may be interested in a lgbt room, one only has to look at the demographics of the North American population as a whole- since the majority of wire users are from Canada and the US, and many more are from other nations thet were once part of the British Empire, such as India and Australia- countries that share a similar culture and presumably values with the US and Canada.

surveys seem to indicate that self described, open gays and lesbians make up around %1 of the us and canadian population, and bisexuals make up 4% of the us population and 0.7% of the canadian population. these are the most consistent numbers. some US surveys have shown higher numbers- around 7% gay men and 12% lesbian femeles, but these results are not as consistent as the 1% and 4% results- the surveys may have been skewed and these ratios may be limited to smaller population or age groups such as young adults and/or particular cities (as san francisco seems to be 15% gay/lesbian).

surveys show that 0.25%-1% of the us population is transgender.

surveys also show that 30%-50% of the us population has participated in homosexual experimantation at least once; thus, at least 30-50% of the us population, though not self-identifying as gay, may be bi/curious or, at least, very accepting of homosexuality.


the truth is, no one knows, the surveys are inconsistent- this may have to do with the comfort of those surveyed to answer truthfully and/or the way the questions are worded. Also, there is no way to identify the percentage of non-open (closet) gays. It is entirely possible that the gey/lesbian/bi percentage of san-fransisco is accurate for the entire us/canada, and other areas only score lower because the culture of their locale discourages them from being open about their sexuality, or their local culture and/or religion encourages them to deny their homosexual tendencies.

all this said, at least 5% and possibly as high as 16% of the us population is lgbt, and it is entirely possible that canada and/or other nations share the same ratio. At least 30% of the us population has experimented with homoesxuality, thus, are open to the lifestyle, and around another 30% of the population have never experimented, but are tolerant and/or accepting of homosexuals.

if we assume that wireclub user demographics reflect that of the general North American population, id say that 4%-16% of wireclub users aregay, and another 60%-80% are likely open to, tolerant of and/or accepting of homosexuality. i would say then that it is definitely worth making a lgbt room, considering it will likely appeal to at least 4% of wireclub users, and possibly as high as 86% of wireclub users.
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danigrrl
danigrrl: Thanks for the stats deep. I feel that this isn't a matter of the room getting a lot of traffic. I do, however, believe it will be more popular than some of the current public rooms. More importantly, this room is needed. The LGBT community has been turning to the net for support since it first became available to the general public. I think a public room could do a lot of good for Wireclub's LGBT members.
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