Is there really a God tell me your Opnion (Page 34) MJ59: Proof #36 - Realize that God is impossible If you consult the dictionary, here is the first definition of God that you will find: "A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions." [ref] Most believers would agree with this definition because they share a remarkably clear and consistent view of God. Yes, there are thousands of minor quibbles about religion. Believers express those quibbles in dozens of denominations -- Presbyterians, Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists, Episcopalians, Methodists and such. But at the heart of it all, the belief in God aligns on a set of core ideas that everyone accepts. What if you were to simply think about what it would mean if there were a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe? Is it possible for such a being to exist? Epicures thought about it in 300 BCE, and he came up with this: "The gods can either take away evil from the world and will not, or, being willing to do so, cannot; or they neither can nor will, or lastly, they are both able and willing. If they have the will to remove evil and cannot, then they are not omnipotent. If they can, but will not, than they are not benevolent. If they are neither able nor willing, then they are neither omnipotent nor benevolent. Lastly, if they are both able and willing to annihilate evil, how does it exist?" [See also Proof #31] In other words, if you sit and think about who God is supposed to be, you realize that such a being is impossible. Ridiculous, in fact. Take this quote from the Bible. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says: Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him! The impossibility of God is visible here as well. Based on Jesus' statement, let's assume that you are a child and you are starving in Ethiopia. You pray for food. What would you expect to happen based on Jesus' statement? If God exists as an all-loving, all-knowing and all-powerful parent -- a "father in heaven" -- you would expect God to deliver food to you. In fact, the child should not have to pray. Normal parents provide food to their children without their children having to beg for it. Yet, strangely, on planet Earth today we find tens of millions of people dying of starvation every year. Another way to approach the impossibility of God is to think about the concept of omniscience. If God is omniscient, then it means that he knows every single thing that happens in the universe, both now and infinitely into the future. Do you have free will in such a universe? Clearly not. God knows everything that will happen to you. Therefore, the instant you were created, God knows whether you are going to heaven or hell. To create someone knowing that that person will be damned to hell for eternity is the epitome of evil. Here is another way to understand the impossibility of God. If you look at the definition of God, you can see that he is defined as the "originator and ruler of the universe". Why does the universe need an originator -- a creator? Because, according to religious logic, the universe cannot exist unless it has a creator. A believer will say, "nothing can exist unless it is created." However, that satement immediately constructs a contradiction, because we must then wonder who created God. For a believer the answer to that is simple -- "God is the one thing that does not need a creator. God is timeless and has always existed." How can it be that the everything MUST have a creator, while God must NOT? The contradiction in the definition of God is palpable. As soon as your think about the concept of a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient being, you realize the impossibility of the concept. That impossibility is yet another way to see that God is imaginary. https://godisimaginary.com/i36.htm   kittybobo34: Yeah the whole concept of an omniscient being doing all that for the only purpose of receiving accolades and worship bounced off of me when I was a teen.  AretoNyx: So many ideas of what gods and goddesses are. I am apatheistic but it still interests me on others opinions on what they feel. Also fun to even look at sifi and fantasy worlds mentioning deities. I play Skyrim and there are so many times mentioned beliefs even by npcs. kittybobo34: I cannot tell the difference between belief in a God and superstition. Both are unfounded beliefs in the supernatural.  h0nd0: since God created this realm.. there are others.. dementionally.. Man has not followed his rules.. disregarding them as false .. God flooded the earth changed it from perfect for Man to imperfect for himself.. the arguement is.. will Man fix his shit .. or not? .. God is there.. this universe and demension is One step away from being trashed ... Man denies his place under God.. forging his own fate .. believing he is as good and perfect as God.. all men have that within them becuz we are the likeness of God.. and to be honest some men could convince other men to heed Gods warnings.. if youre looking for God to talk about it with.. youre out of luck.. God already gave up on the perfect world he hoped for and destroyed it .. along with old age .. and comunication in the Garden of eden... what is left over is mass calamity and few to interpret.. if you think you dont believe in God.. just mentioning the world he created eliminates that possibility.. just as adultery is aldultery if you tell a stranger about your relationship without consulting the person you have that relationship with.. why would God be any different than his own rules? .. that makes him OMNIPOTENT... you all make God omnipotent.. just working it out in you minds.. and doing research.. convince yourselves to take your place under God .. with or without your petty prayers.. God only listens too decent, valuable, conceptional, ideals.. when answering a prayer.. and he will.. as soon as its asked.. sometimes even under duress... btw God himself controls all of the supernatural too... ghostgeek: Hondo, dear chap, let me ask a favour. Please expatiate on why you think God created "this realm". ghostgeek: I'm well aware that the Bible has Him doing his wand waving trick, but in this day and age we need a little more factual meat on the dry bones of belief. So pop a turkey in the oven and dish us up some real reasons why anyone should give credence to the Biblical story of creation. h0nd0: isnt life itself.. in the universe something sparce... thats a fact.. is this world headed towards its own anilation? fact .. to this day .. no one can give reasons for possible apparatus constuction and building of many civilizations fact.. are they just a fluke too... questionable.. but in the book.. not only are they mentioned but God has claim to them.. through his magic.. if the answers were givin to you or any other man.. how.. do you think that will satisfy you or will you use it against God.. ? questionable.. since God already went through that.. he wouldnt do it again.. fact.. why would he reveal his superiority over the atom.. when men think they know it all already?.. God wont allow man to manipulate his kingdom.. fact.. our one step above Hell or trash heap is all we have to fix.. and yet you question that.. knowing his position on life.. fact.. no man enters Gods disneyland without buying a ticket.. fact.. ghostgeek: The universe is rather large, and we've explored such an infinitesimally small speck of it, that any guess as to how abundant life is isn't worth the cereal packet it's written on. ghostgeek: Also the world is continually heading towards annihilation, as the dinosaurs could have told you if they were still around. Sadly they were annihilated. ghostgeek: As for what past civilisations ran up on the fly, why should we ever have thought that wonders were beyond them when we see what wonders we are capable of? h0nd0: every atom has protons accelerated to light speed.. emitting spectromagnetic light.. which in most cases you can understand if its within a life form.. such as skin .. it emits light.. we can pick it up in total darkness.. using night vision goggles.. in the same respect.. we are exploring space.. looking for life.. imagine more that light bends to gravity .. which is another solution to discovering earth type planets near solar like stars.. fact.. in the blink of an eye.. God gave us the wisdom.. because we are in his image.. now how did those civilizations move 200 ton blocks into perfect placement.. we still dont know this fact..because we havent been able to accomplish anything near to the information their blackboards from that school.. and era was erased.. but by who?.. lol fact GOD.. now its written .. in a book.. you think is about black magic.. stories of right overcoming wrongs.. well its not its directions on how to live.. not magic.. weve only begun to create life without natural conception.. people want natural conception or the monsanto group would be as famous as Jesus.. it wasnt magic.. it was science.. but they cant move giant rocks.. either.. now.. lets get down to the big bang theory.. so in this empty vaccum there was this huge gaseous mass.. waiting for a spark.. just waiting for the perfect opportunity.. hovering in a vaccum.. until.. bang.. lol (magicians wand).. kinda seems like the perfect beginning .. to a science project.. so why cant God be the one who did that?.. where did the vaccum come from? why was the gaseous cloud in the middle of the universe as we know it .. and why is the expanse of space so small.. that we can measure time itself to when it happened? got ask.. no?.. our minds would colapse if we knew the answers to everything.. so we should just settle on letting God help us with that.. which is what he wants.. try to think as he does and he will be pleased.. simple solution to all the questions.. kittybobo34: God is a made up concept by primitive people to explain the unexplainable. The only evidence of God is a book of tales written by superstitious men, translated too many times to get the original meanings . (Edited by kittybobo34) |
