Is there really a God tell me your Opnion (Page 9)

ghostgeek
ghostgeek: There's been something niggling at me, a thought I couldn't quite put my finger on. Then it hit me, h0nd0. If God was so interested in saving you, why did He allow you to get into difficulties in the first place? Why allow you to walk off a cliff edge, or stand in front of a speeding car, or fall out of a boat?

You are like a man who survives a lightning strike crying out that God has saved him. It never seems to cross such a person's mind to ask why God allowed him to be struck by lightning in the first place.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: I, in my rationalist way, think that this points to the fact that there is no God and you were just lucky to survive. Recently some builder has won the lottery for the second time. The odds of winning just once are pretty slim, and the chances of winning twice are virtually zero, yet this bloke has managed it. So yes, you could have been saved three times by chance alone.
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h0nd0 
h0nd0: in order to understand mysterious forces 2 forces must meet.. the builders wife costed him his whole lottery winnings.. she had cancer..God is not a zero.. the man was blessed.. virtually blessed... chance favors the prepared mind.. i bet if you re-wind the tape you`ll hear evidence in any statements he makes he mentions God".. therefore praising the "lord".. you should try it.. even a poor fisherman who can never be loved.. by other men on earth deserve to be saved.. saving only comes when you have no control to what will happen.. cancer took her from him after he won the lottery.. it paid for everything .. but not her life.. there was no guarantee.. only her giving of her life ended the expenditures.. who created disease? an imperfect world created disease ... but God `s son is the worlds master now.. in jesus`s name all things are possible..
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Britain's luckiest lorry driver is celebrating winning the lottery for second time, after a bungling shop assistant sold him the wrong ticket. Now ask yourself, has this happened to you. I'm betting the answer will be no, even though you believe in the Lord above.

So why don't "God's" people get a few rewards while they're scrabbling around in the dirt on planet earth? My answer is simple; it's all down to chance what breaks a person gets in life, not some superannuated sky deity.
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King Karma
King Karma: @ghost Geek

Irrelevant point makes irrelevant argument.

Translation: If God loved you he would give you a winning lottery ticket. Same argument can be used to say God blessed the man who won the ticket. I would like to point out though that people from the church often end up very successful but like minded people coming together creates community, and community generally does help people get around better in life. Most people go under "Dog eat dog" ideals.
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classylady61
classylady61: Some people don't have the sense of a chicken
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h0nd0 
h0nd0: apparently the chicken said one thing once an forgot .. the builder isnt a truck driver..lol
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calybonos
calybonos:
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buk...buk...bukaaah?
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jkent99
jkent99: Church Is Gods Home The Bible Is Jesus Words And He Also Lives In You
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Sorry h0nd0, must have been having one of those senior moments. Interesting, isn't it, how ones memory can let one down. Yes, study after study have shown that memory is an unreliabe thing. Yet, strangely, when it comes to religious texts no one seems to doubt that everything witnessed was remembered and recorded with spot on accuracy. The sayings of Jesus, and the sayings of Muhammad, were remembered and written down years after they were said without error, according to true believers. Well, as my little lapse has shown, in the real world people make mistakes. So what was said and done thousands of years ago, and what we read today, are unlikely to agree.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: It's an interesting argument, that if God loves you He will give you a winning lottery ticket. Looked at from a different perspective this means God loves next to nobody. In other words, you have as little chance of getting to heaven as you do winning big with your Lotto ticket. Seems all your praying isn't worth diddly squat.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: I know this might sound a little irrational, but why would anyone want the sense of a chicken? It doesn't seem to have done the hens much good.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: If Jesus is inside me, He's keeping mighty quiet.
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h0nd0 
h0nd0: here let me help you.. think this through... not true.. moses documented his life before jesus.. went through history unknown .. bible was written about him.. and different text.. in 1200 ad.. in 1404 the first bible was printed.. still no confirmation of his true life.. until dead sea scrolls.. they were carbon dated for authenticity.. and were written almost word for word for what moses claimed.. not to mention adam the first human lived for over 900 years.. from 4004 to 3074 bce..he died only a short time before noah was born. put that into your pipe and smoke it.. DNA suggests that since the world has evolved so would man dont ya think.. when ever there`s evolution the past descendants usually go extinct// when noah re populated the world his family spread out and evolved to.. but before they were cast away this world was.. full of unbelievers at the time of the flood.. therefore you must assume.. evil will try to rebuild and the first thing on the docket is eliminate God`s word.. or tell everyone its a lie.. which by the way in your unbelief.. your helping it come to pass that way.. youll be sorry.. this is god territory most of us know that and dont deny it..
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: It must have been a bitch for poor old Noah, catching those kangaroos.
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h0nd0 
h0nd0: food works better than traps
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Mmm ... yes you could be right. That leaves one tiny problem to solve then. How long did it take old Noah to swim to Australia?
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h0nd0 
h0nd0: he didnt the boat turned around and came back to him
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h0nd0 
h0nd0: and by the way.. in the years the water receded.. the continent was broken up.. before that it was one large continent.. this is why noah`s family spread out.. to re-seed and seed the world..it doesnt take long for a society to expand and grow look at us.. we only been in america a few hundred years.. we talkin 6000 years here when God revealed this story through descendants..
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Right, got you, Gondwana. It broke up about 180 million years ago. Isn't that a bit before 4004 BC though?
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h0nd0 
h0nd0: dude.. when the ground water and the sea water both surface the tectonic plates float.. the land mass moved off.. and the saturated land sunk the topography is unknown the formations of mountain chains slurs only new volcanic eruptions began after the previous were doused by extreme flood.. the earth had to pressure new ranges.. but not even half the land mass came back.. now the earth is 75 % water.. gondwana was at least that if not more.. but that was not in lew of age.. the continent god built as garden of eden was old yes but broke apart in days.. not millions of year even though it was as old as the Terra firma... let me ask you.. do you have to be old to break a leg or a hip? yes.. but not if its caused by another force.. get me?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: I take it that you don't agree with the geological text books then.
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h0nd0 
h0nd0: words can manipulate the mind.. concepts and perception can be right and wrong.. by both the writer and the reader.. math points to truth but the way the math is written is the insult of math..

if three people get a room for $30 at $10 each person and the check in person forgot that there is $5 off that night. So he sends the bellhop back to the room with 5, $1 dollar bills. The bellhop can't divide $5 three ways. So he puts $2 in his pocket and gives each person $1 back. Soooo that means each person only payes $9 each. 3x9 is $27, plus th $2 the bellhop put in his pocket equals $29. WHERE DID THE OTHER $1 Goooooooooo-------!
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: I hate these sort of questions because I can never figure out the answer. The reality, of course, is that each person pays $9.3333333333333333333333 ... and the bellhop has his $2.
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h0nd0 
h0nd0: the bell hop gets a .. dollar 1$.. at that.. still inaccurate right?

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