Lexicons of transcendence (Page 2)
swamp99: mental illness may not be an actual dysfunction. i perceive it is a stigma. a mark of disgrace that is formed in (infancy). when the will is cut off and the child is left suspended so to speak. and that problems exist in a fundamental state of affairs. but this is a stigma. and a stigma can go as far as its given currency. something happens and it becomes a mental illness. at that point you've got something alien on. and confusion and lack of understanding is the fundamental result. this could be called a syndrome or a complex.
junyabee: I agree w/the stifling of the child's psyche for whatever was the temporal cultural and social trend in the local provincialism. Being a 'misfit' is a backhanded way of noting that the expanse of your intellect and emotions have transcended the boundaries of your locale. At first you think it's you, but as time goes by the general trends of history give indications that aspects of your thinking not only have affirmation elsewhere but has the merit of credibility over the held consensus of others..
swamp99: that is to say the narratives we struggle with are something we can consume and assimilate. this i disagree with the narratives that flow out of these episodes of life are predatory. there is an inner dialogue we all must come to terms with but, out flowing narratives are made for the explicit purposes of exploitation. that is their only use. the result is fundamental and enduring differentiation. in the human sphere.
junyabee: Out-flowing=External signals??
As we have more explicit pollution from our primary family/social circles other than the formal and informal traditional and institutional circles; we are wading in a cesspool of not necessarily coherent or symbiotic-at the least-"narratives" b/c of the specie-centric, cultural heterodoxy.
One would have to take in as much as one knows of their historical phenomenology to get a sense of the threads and the patterns they define for you, autonomous from the social narrative
swamp99: my definition is the dictionary one: excessive regard for the supernatural, a fear of the mysterious, misdirected reverence, a practice based on 'this', an opinion that is unjustified on the effects or nature of a thing -Oxford D.
i feel there is a correlate between superstitiousness and guilt.
junyabee: Aspects of projection and displacement, even if a hallucinatory hologram.
Could the psyche be sending the subject a message/admonition/warning?
swamp99: the dog philosophers (cynics) believed that only acts that can be done in public could be considered moral. so they strove to conquer desire. and find happiness that way. they became mockers in the process. it could be a message but where does the message end? warnings are always warranted. i feel pretty concrete about it all. but it does raise an instinct to 'hate'? in me.
junyabee: Cynics would presume that morality is a social than a personal phenomena of thoughts. If the man ravishes in his thoughts, why should the woman's presence be violated?
Why hate? It's only a signal-the message-that you're reacting to..
There are many past moments that I curse and mock myself for having done those acts, Yet, I see them as emotional tides of the past that once pounded the surf of my consciousness, but now are abstractions of thought than compulsive acts
swamp99: i place more emphasis on virtue which is a personal trait. hate can be abstract too when it is worn out. i believe in forgiveness though. if things take on the appearance of the all or nothing you've got to make decisions. this is the gift we possess in a liberalised society and we should use it. Nietzsche wrote nihilism moves the hand, how are people expected to compete with that when it could mean life and death.
junyabee: Short answer, as Pilate would've cynically asked, "What is virtue?!"
2-Life is more the obliged duty than 'the pursuit of happiness', and that leads to the compulsive and the obliged involuntary act of programmed and fated endings?
swamp99: i think there is a problem with 'obliged duty.' firstly i would suggest this is a political term. even in a primitive society. but i would ask what happens when the work is finished? extending from that preposition i see the concept of 'obliged duty' as something more akin to a spirituality. Kant proposed the 'categorical imperative' but that is part of a complex philosophy and even acknowledging it - it is freedom that gives 'duty' it's imperative and power in Kant's view. what are we to do? is a fundamental philosophical question. how is there an agreement? especially in an advanced age like todays.
junyabee: 'What is Freedom?"
An illusion of our conditioned social thinking? Since a sui generis thought would have to be an alien-sourced intervention other than some unique configuration of present factors and data. Some, as Kant, have put up GUIDE POSTS-based on their time and conditions. They can become an anachronistic, white elephant if not taken with some nuance of the present conditions.
Freedom has bi-furcated into the nihilistic materialistic objectivist and the metaphysical nuance of qualities beyond one's kinetic prerogatives
junyabee: FOUND THIS:
Basic research into "spontaneous thought"—pertaining to how, exactly, thoughts flow from one to another—may help us to better understand practical questions such as how drinking a cup of coffee influences the nature of our thinking, or how our thoughts proceed differently when we watch a movie a second time.
Looking forward, along with providing these findings as a tool for other researchers, Dr. Poppenk and his research team have plans for new projects, including working to understand how cognitive dynamics vary across the lifespan and also gaining a better understanding into how mentation rate, the rate at which someone's thoughts turn over, may relate to individuals' other qualities.
"For example, how does mentation rate—the rate at which thought transitions occur—relate to a person's ability to pay attention for a long period? Also, can measures of thought dynamics serve a clinical function? For example, our methods could possibly support early detection of disordered thought in schizophrenia, or rapid thought in ADHD or mania," says Dr. Poppenk. "We think the methods offer a lot of potential; we hope to make heavy use of them in our upcoming work."
swamp99: perhaps a little too much emphasis on the concept of 'freedom' i have found it to be a partial at best political value, the state of being free is an idea formed in the mind. all humans are part of a society. and in that sense freedom is political but surely collective. and beyond that a competitive state. is it a medical model you use? i am not versed in this i see your version of a person alike on a computer image and conclusions are derived from objective reflection. what state are you trying to achieve? in respect to the mentation rates (for 1 psychology has driven for itself a path that is more and more abstract/ you can't compare it to the work of Jung for instance) has it lost its heart/ or the battle)? but simple trauma effects thought rates and qualities. and these effect quality of life. i'm starting to think of AI now. i would be reluctant to give conspiracy theories much weight in respect understanding what is the state today. overall we are in a battle with nihilism (the belief in nothing). this crossed with the ease of influence due to it. academic thought has well appraised where we are. i think the danger is projecting a monster way out in front of us and thus controlling our fate. 'that' monstor is the creation of modernism.
junyabee: My previous post answers some of my speculations. Worm-thought thread is a result of triggers-direct and tangent-in our flow of consciousness (by some accounts 6k-10k/day). Sensory overload compound poor previous data and its architecture, so that a default more basic and rigid thought paradigm is used for the utility of its relative "immutableness".
With a more empirically logic architecture and a minimizing of the amorphous and biased emotional forms as a basis, then the understandable nihilist, throwing up one's hands in exasperation or other provincially biased options would be less the cultural and social norm and mores.
I conceive of our purpose as more than the coincidentally social obsessions of mundane life. We are mobile receiver/transmitters of local and cosmically holistic affecting components. What we obsess of our social juxtaposition with others or the matrix of paradigms-existentally-comes from the kinetics of our anthropology that have been given more acclaim and resulting emphasis than the more introspective cognitive of long-term subtle change than the gratifying immediate change/
swamp99: the thing with Kant is 'pure reasoning' is final. if something is known through the mind (a priori) it is at the top of the scale of knowledge. Time and Space are at the very top. everything feeds down from them. thus becomes a hierarchy of knowledge. i think it was Aristotle who conceived of such a hierarchy. any concept you can think of fits in somewhere. so its like a ladder and you claw with it. that is the opposite of being a transmitter. the cosmic element is shared in both viewpoints. looking at two forms of life/knowledge is enlightening but i don't think its easy to just transfer to one or the other. is that an anthropological fact? at this point i do not know what branch of science/ or knowledge deals with this topic. penetrating race?
junyabee: In light of 'worm thought patterns', the mind triggers have the ammo for the 'worm's' generation 'from out of no where'. That 'No Where' are the random signals incidentally and coincidentally encountered in your experiences. A good number are subconscious cognitions from the anomaly patterns noticed physiologically, but outside your incidental focus. The collation and association of the mind's neural activity collects these collations and associations until they reach a significance of cognizance in one's perception
swamp99: this is going to sound bad, but what if you are dumb (dumb is the old word for this kind of phenomenon). i mean no offence by it i mean it to make a point. i get your last post but would you say something like the 'worm thought patterns' are as a consequence a minimising effect on intelligence? or would it mean some other thing?
junyabee: Worm thoughts are the basic blocks (words being the micro-cells of that verbal articulation). Inarticulate envisionings being their ontological origin. Much as the archeological nematode could be divided, but the partitioned parts could replicate to their own being, so is the 'creature' of worm thoughts. As we supply more blood by our cognitive focus and concentration (as in jacking-off!), the more the 'creature' is sustained and maintained for what ever Lego-additions we desire to construct to it.
The precursor envisioning is the confluence of subconscious and conscious patterns intersecting for a joining. It's more organic than thinkers, such as Kant, thought it to be in mechanistic-abstract terms
swamp99: the subjective battle is the prince of all battles (do you agree)? if you look at the sentiment attached to subjectivity in a broad social sense you see how contested it is. i think it is only discernible on hindsight too? what makes it so treacherous? or not?
junyabee: Subjectivity is the knife's edge underlying the tension between intuitive conviction and contrary consensual data.. Only the experience and result of action will be the determiner/arbiter
Other than abstract, the call for convictional acts cries out www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2619467264937874
swamp99: subjectivity seems to incorporate an error into it in a practical sense. we are continually negotiating this error in a bumbling manner. if we are transmitter receivers the object to streamline would be the most minimal amount of error.