Lexicons of transcendence (Page 3)

junyabee
junyabee: Individual asymptote navigation with general portents of inference-even with its imprecision..
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swamp99
swamp99: the concepts of subjective and objective are clearly taken from geometry. and have influenced philosophy. and subsequently the way we in the west typically think. symbolically it means a lot because it displays how mathematical we are. and almost robotic. considering there are left and right brain properties a question is raised are we in some sense exhausting our capacities? practically speaking to tie a mind up with equations would induce control and or capability. and subsequently is a power ratio.
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junyabee
junyabee: Prose, the poetry of calculations, thus its approximating surrogate
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swamp99
swamp99: i would place prose as linear.
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junyabee
junyabee: Linear, mundanely. Then it has its own derived "poetry" of improvisation and innovation from it
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swamp99
swamp99: point taken but i would still regard that as linear.
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junyabee
junyabee: All is linear.. As you would now from modern music, it's an innovation and improvisation off linear segments that came before
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swamp99
swamp99: i meant that in prose sentences are constructed via a succession of words that does not deviate from the laws of grammar, and one doesn't really think about what one writes albeit that the sentences conform to the basic structure of those laws. which are incredibly simple. in poetry the grammatical laws a broken. that i would regard as calculative. modern music might be a linear progression but as artists i think they fit the mould of those who are dead to their work that through their work they die. which is called the death of the author in literary terms. the seminal music/art in any culture thus becomes a covenant. in that sense all is linear.
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junyabee
junyabee: Do either of these conform to your supposition?



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swamp99
swamp99: either piece illicits very divergent emotions. it does display my point. i enjoyed hambone much more it had me in stitches in some parts. and it would resemble poetry in its disjointedness and confusion. i felt like listening to it more. firebird was more prosaic in that it conformed to the laws of music which incorporate human personality and are thus more restrictive and really attest to the gross realities like sunrises war treachery peace authority. i think this is because western music was created by men in short. it possesses something of a coercion while in hambone i sense a presence and that is how i judge good art from bad art. and in hambone the presence is friendly. music is pure form so all is capable in it. perhaps the difference is in the personality?
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junyabee
junyabee: In the difference reflects the divergence of possible ways thought can exist as subjectively valid, if not socially or culturally consensual..
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swamp99
swamp99: the only problem is Oscar Wilde claimed art is quite incredibly useless. and just because we can create it it doesn't mean it will establish us.

and what thought is not subjectively valid?
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junyabee
junyabee: You rely too much on "authorized" validation as your reference points, than the phenomenology of your own experience
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swamp99
swamp99: true. a personal fault. but a common experience like living in an endless night. its best to get poetic and spiritual.
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junyabee
junyabee: "its best to get poetic and spiritual. [???]"-is it?
Have confidence in your own phenomenological validation-your stream of thought logos narrative
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swamp99
swamp99: that is good advice and perhaps the best seeing phenomenological experience is most accessible through dreams but, i think some are born of the tomb and there is a part which desires to go backward. that is obviously figurative, but its a natural outcome of life as we experience it. in other words they have tasted death. i take solace in the command to endure (at all costs) from Revelations and the prophesies over the churches. but writing down all ones dreams is a powerful motive.
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