Are most schools brainwashing students

RoyalTruthJustice: In systems where there is limited freedom of speech, expression, etc, it does see that the related government school systems (and even most religious and inde schools) tend to teach mantras, talking points, so students become sheep and don't remain in the Homo sapiens cognitive domain.

Unfortunately, not everyone is able to look at nature, travel, and learn without official human educators and related educational publications. Thus for most people, becoming sheep is the only option they know, can handle. It's unfortunate and, ultimately, heart-breaking (and brain breaking). These individuals post online as though they are truly cognitively skilled, vote in political elections, become parents, prisoners (both in the corporate world and behind physical bars/jails). What a world we have created for the next generation?!

Jack Scott: While the brainwashing is real, I believe that it's inadvertent. When you have higher taxes and deeper budget cuts, special interests are pocketing the money in the process. The schools that are suffering because the first thing that they cut out are the creative arts. When you take away someone's ability to create, you also take away their ability to dream and desire things beyond what is presented to them in the classroom. And because standardized testing results is used to measure a school's academic success, students are being taught how to fill in the appropriate bubble and any question, idea, statement, or discussion that doesn't align with the verbiage in the text book is dismissed.

zolo2500: Lmao. Pretty much all education can filed under brainwashing unless it's question guided. Not what is, but why or how. One sets an idea in your head and the other is practicing means of creation. That's why philosophy is important. It's amassing and finessing tools. Religious schools are among the best. The best atmosphere and friendliest and most personable people. Period. Just don't tell anyone you're an atheist. Problem solved. Even at 10 I got that. Just sing dance learn talk whatever. Feel over think. I want to see Buddhists guide our school system. Or Hindus. They preach the Vedas but the ultimate worldly authority is borne from revelations of self mind and the world. As I understand it. That last part isn't entirely my observation I skimmed a book. That last part was cute but the strength and desire to venture out alone rather than just take the slice of life kicked down to you is a revelation that eludes most.

Paul013: Well my knowledge of religious schools is that they are amongst the worst - - I was fortunate enough to receive a private school education where religion was a very small part of the day --- the emphasis and philosophy was producing well balanced humans -- ie the development of the person as a culturally and socially well balanced person is paramount and more important than academic achievement . . That is Rudolf Steiner education . . Which 45 years after finishing i still consider to be very good

zolo2500: Try going to a religious school. The intelligent can learn everywhere, as every moment of life is a potential lesson. 4th grade, I went there one year. Don't actually invest in the religion and it's superior.

RoyalTruthJustice: Thanks for the responses. Students rarely have any input in the lesson plans that instructors teach. School districts rarely have parents/students attend school administrator/teacher training, professional development, school planning meetings, symposiums, etc. Lessons often ignore the cultural, socio-economic, special needs (a bit more improvement here the in most other categories), ethnic, gender differences that students bring to the table.

Homeschooling tends to be a great alternative. Once students graduate out of K-12 classes, they are often destined to continue the limited ability to think critically, and independent of dogmatic use of the CNS. My above responses are primarily focused on U.S. educational system, but some of this is applicable in other regions of the world.

rainsgame888: No society wants you to become wise; it is against the investment of all societies.if people are wise they cannot be exploited.If they are intelligent they cannot be subjugated. They will assert their individuality, they will have the fragrance of rebellion around them, they will like to live in freedom, and no society wants people to be free
The moment you start using your intelligence you become dangerous, to the Establishment,to the people in power,to the haves, dangerous to all kinds of oppression, exploitation, suppression, to the churches,to the states,to the nations......a wise human is afire alive, aflame........he would rather die than be inslaved.

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That about sums it up..... exactly why our educational system is the way it is...those incontrol, would / do ,control our lives from cradle to grave..tell us half truths and out right lies in the schools.....WAKE UP.....,we've slept too long...It's our individual responsibility to ourselves and our children to educate our selves and them with alternative points of view ...it's out there, look for it ...before it can't be found anymore; threw censorship...threw political correctness..fu*k the educational system.....

zolo2500: Capitalism is the enemy of wisdom, such breeds threats to their ability to hold pieces of paper. The mass release of intellectual property is huge and will never exist under capitalism. We can make means available for all or a few can have pieces of paper. The few never choose the many first and if they do they're destroyed because they are a threat to the others of their caliber. Know your enemies.

adamus84: If you were guys filthy rich and decided to start your own school, what subjects would you put on the curriculum? How your school would differ from the mainstream schools?

zolo2500: I could run one now. I've always been able to but I frankly give people too much. No one deserves jack shit from me but death, if anything.

Paul013: Roger waters - who now lives in the usa - recently expressed the opinion that the us govt spends very little on education; on purpose to keep as many ignorant as possible and easily brainwashed..
Reading comments on wire -in political chat - is highly indicative of brainwashed and often very scared people.
In a country where the majority of under 10's are now NON-white its easy to understand how ill-educated white supremacists are easily motivated by a presidents hate speech and rhetoric slamming nearly every element of society.
Irrespective of how much money one has or makes you can never buy balanced thought, good manners, tolerance and awareness that there is a crisis on the planet...
These attributes come from sensible structured well balanced thoughfull education and should be what all humans strive for irrespective of wealth and so called "social standing "
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garrylawson3073: education changes with atittudes, unfortunately they are not as well educated as we use to, everything is computers and calculators , rather than the library reading and working out sums by hand and brainpower, what I have learnt from this the teachers quality is lower such as child minding has be eliminated from teaching but the governments have taken away teachers powers some what , and teachers dont do there jobs as the governments have taken away teachers powers again , unfortunately teachers use the kids for protests. There is no solution to the problem and students by our standards are getting dumber but then which employer now days need thinkers anyway.

zolo2500: One of the more amusing things. Is partial conversion to Communism then just shutting off the school system and internet for a couple years. Make people work together and do shit themselves. It sounds reasonable to me. Learn respect value and appreciation. Or that they don't care so they just get out the way. You'll Still be able to learn and the educated will be more valuable and accountable I think. A real scholar is more valuable than a teacher both ways. Sometimes kids ask new valuable questions in the right hands and scholars obviously have better insights. Then write a new school curriculum in the interim. Just make like a rigorous government course that is two years long for all topics where the teachers communicate and innovate so it's uniform and in depth. Two years of no education or several years of shit education and uneven change? Reform takes some concessions. Incompetency under promise is a bigger crisis than a temp discontinuation of failure. Like a nation wide convention.

Paul013: Everything I read about the usa in particular is that the middle/lower paid class have to work harder, longer and often more than 1 job just to maintain or improve their status/financial standing, meaning more children are babysat by tv screens.
The ongoing situation where those that have accumulated wealth - and consequently power by influence over politicians - continue to use that wealth/power to further entrench themselves to the detriment of the man in the street.
One of the side affects of too much power in the hands of too few is the continuous disparagement of the teaching fraternity - those that should be the most IMPORTANT members of society have been beaten down to just another humdrum ordinary profession thereby adding to a society continuously getting poorer on average both financially and intellectually...
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Angry Beaver: Nope, they ain't

garrylawson3073: no there just teaching them to think.

Paul013: Right now I'm watching a documentary about ""fox news"" . . It's an eye opener . But in a nutshell it spells out how this network runs purely 《on Murdoch's orders》to push a conservative right wing bible thumping Republican viewpoint that endeavors to divide Americans and brainwash the ""unconverted"" as much as possible. ......😈

Fog Swept Glade: I'm unconcerned because without witnesses being paid, schools are not churches. Nothing blunt happens, & propaganda on the heads of people who must show up, looks mighty disgusting. That's another reason. I think raising one's hand in a silent place, without group discussion was needless.

RoyalTruthJustice: Fog Swept Glade, aspects of your response were cryptic. Straight shoot in plain English.What is "Raising one's hand in a silent place without group discussion was needless" which silent place?

RoyalTruthJustice: Jack Scott, yes some may be inadvertent, but you can't possibly believe 100% is inadvertent. There's statistical impossibility of that being the case, year-after-year, school-after-school! Impossible my friend. It's systemic and typically by design.

RoyalTruthJustice: Religious schools have pros and cons. Pro side, compared to public schools in poorer communities, religious schools offer more academics. On the con side, they indoctrinate kids in believing in ghosts and support of the school's religion, plus create many arrogant snobs (I deal with them).

RoyalTruthJustice: rainsgame888: Interesting response. I wouldn't say "No society" but "most societies" Generally, however, the systems in place brainwash populations to follow what the powerful desire.

RoyalTruthJustice: adamus84: response to your question. If I were filthy rich I'd setup schools that: a) Were transparent, principals, teachers, students, and parents having consistent meetings with transparency re classes, history, finances, politics, failures/ successes. b) Fix lesson plans that are biased against females, latinos, blacks, LGBTQ, atheists, non-Americans. c) Ensure that each lesson were adjusted to the needs of the child (not teaching to the group as thorough all kids think the same). d) Give free breakfast, lunch to each child. e) Implement uniform rule (children spend $ they can't afford on clothing fashion, instead of books, etc). f) Spend less time teaching to tests (Regents, SATs, etc) and more time in park, traveling, taking children to congress, zoo, prisons, hospitals, libraries, homeless shelters, Wall Street, farms, etc. g) Implement a decimal score system, 90% is very different from 90.05%, and such differences give minute and substantially better results for qualitative and quantitative evaluation purposes. h) (I need to give this point more reflection but right now my sentiments are: Make schools free (up to Bachelor's degree level. Make it illegal to pay for schooling up to that point. Fund the formerly private school budgets with tax rebates to makeup for the lost revenues. Remove the bribes, and the 2 edu system (1 for rich, 1 for middle class, 1 for avg then 1 for poorer blacks, Latinas, native Americans, etc) and have ONE SCHOOL SYSTEM so everyone's child can succeed, regardless of skin tone, socio-economics, family connections, etc! Thanks for asking.

RoyalTruthJustice: Angry Beaver, nope they ain't is not a rational response. Give some arguments, solid premises, logical conclusions.