Paying for wastefulness

LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: I remember, many years ago, I was working at a Coffee shop, and was training the new hire- we explained to her that, every 20 minutes, we dump the coffee, regardless if its a full pot or not, to ensure our customers have a fresh tasting coffee every time.

Her answer was to scoff, and say that that's wasteful. I simply responded that is what our costumers want of us.

I've always wondered, especially in a increasingly green society, if there is any place for such a belief. Do you think, as a consumer, we can pay for a more wasteful product if that's what people want?
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Wild__
Wild__: I want Starbucks to refill my cup in that same paper cup they gave me the first time but health codes forbid using the same paper cup twice. I blame the government!
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: At Tim Hortons, you can refill a cup again and again....provided you provide it....or provided you drink it in one of their mugs, and don't leave the store with it....
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Wild__
Wild__: Same here but I've never had a problem with my paper cup failing on the second round. I'm not a greenie but I do my small part to help the environment and when I ask for a refill, Iwant the same paper cup reused.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: But thats not sanitary
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ohnonotthatguy
ohnonotthatguy: Wastefulness?
Rules and regulations governing such institutions have policies in place to control quality and service for their clientele.
I want a freshly brewed cup of coffee every time i order,what is done with the remaining Java left in that pot I don't give a rats ass what you do to it.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: yea, but its not government regulation to pour out a pot of coffee if its more than 20 minutes old- its just good business.
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ohnonotthatguy
ohnonotthatguy: Rules and regulations governing such institutions does not mean it's laws and by-laws imposed by the elected local government hahhahaha
Governing bodies could be from the shareholders right down to the shop manager.
As you mentioned Mr.Cambell ""its just good business.""
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: people only want to be green when its convenient, trendy, profitable and it gives em a chance to show off their hot bits. perhaps, some do it to ease their concience, and i would think they would do just enough to appease their concious, and no more. instead of throwing out older consumales, either, make less- they DO have single cup browers, theres a cost, but it might be better for the earth, you sure dont want black, suryp-like burnt coffee to seep into the water supply. the only environmental damage from this practice inolves the energy used in transporting and brwewing the unneeded beans.

but, mark my words, there will ALWYS be snobby assholes, who know what they want, and wont take anything less. i think its quite stuck-up and selfish to refuse 20 minute old coffee- ive never noticed coffee burning before 35-45 minutes, and, if the coffee is taken of the pot and poured a lot, it wont burn, but, rather, cool. i would say they way to go in this situation is to cease the excess transportation of cofee bean, as transportation always burns fuel and pollutes, and get a brewing system which is capable of brewing smaller amounts at a time. honestly, if your customers DEMAND the freshest coffee possible (20 minutes is criminally riduculous) then, the customers shouldnt mind waiting 5 minutes for a fresh pot to brew.

af a smaller portion brewer isnt in the budget, at least store it in a cooler, and donate it to a soup kitchen. the homeless arent too stuck up to be able to enjoy day old coffee. trust me, day old coffee isnt bad,

the onlyreason your customers epect it fresh every 20 minutes is because you are brewing too much at a time, and not taking it off the heater pad enough to pour for a customer. if a pot of coffee sits on the heater for 20 minutes solid, it might start to get a slight burnt taste, if your customers are sincerely noticing it after only 20 minutes, then, it must be spending 19 of those minutes on the heater.

you could try turning the heating pad on and off occasionally, to keep it warm, but not burnt, but this could result in coffee of a less than desired temperature- unless you could set your brewers to brew hotter, so it wouldnt cool uner intermittant heat pads.

just forget everythinkg and get a smaller coffee brewer, i know there are plenty, but it will take homework to fine one adequte AND restaraunt use approved
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: yes, health department codes vary greatly between diferrent cities and counties. i used to be a kfc gm in tulsa, ok. it is said to have the toughest health inspectors in the country, but the regulations themselves werent overbearing, it was just the inspectors thouroughness, she always found 1 or 2 things, but nothing ever major.

i believe in virginia, an employee can refill a used cup, IF the customer removes the lid and straw, first. if a health dept were to ban refilling used cups, it would seem that they should also remove self-serve soda fountains from all establishments

when i was managing in tulsa, i also worked for a time with an ice cream/burger/convenience store called braums. i never had any bad health inspections on my shift, and my restaraunt ws in good order, but so many other braums within that county had been caught having major health issues, so, the tusa health dept demanded all braums mgmt to attend a food safety and cleanliness meeting at the health dept conference room.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: >>>there will ALWYS be snobby assholes, who know what they want, and wont take anything less. i think its quite stuck-up and selfish to refuse 20 minute old coffee

Judging from the fact that it's Canada's biggest franchise, and largest employer, and most popular coffee shop, I'm willing to bet the vast majority of Canadians fit into that role....
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: wasting coffee isnt a huge deal, bt, in reality, all the little things add up. we could totally forget about co2 limits, if we just lived a more natural, socially-oriented life. the american indians never wasted a single pat of an animal that they killed for food, bones became tools, fur obviously became garments, i think they used teeth as jewlery, even. im not suggesting we go back to tribalism, but we could incorporate a bit of naturalism into our materialistic society, and, perhaps, people will focus on signifigant matters, like helping out your neighbors, instead of being an entertainment junkie couch-potato

and coffee, well, womeone had to harvest it, which would have elevated their respiration and co2 exhailation, it had to be processed and packaged in a factory that prolly runs off coal powered electricity, it has to travel from colombia to the states, and thats jet fuel exhaust. im really pissed that the braniack making the big boy decisions at that coffee shop hasnt downsized to a 2-4 cup coffee machine, or, they even have 1 cup machines, but they require special coffee inserts, so that might be cost inhibitive. how many different brews do they keep at a time?
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: i mean, snobby coffe conoseurs would surely expect at least 4 flavors of pot brewed, and a full selection of custom made lattes and such(which wouldnt burn in pots)...
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: what about not the pots with the heaters underneath, but the insulated coffee dispensers they use for catering and at panera bread. theyre insulated, not heated, so they hold heat, instead of convecting heat from the bottom, and slowly burning the product.
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: well, i deff agree that you will always have do discard some expired product, but 20 minutes and your coffee is burned like mcdonalds, soulds like you are using an inadequate temp holding method, or just plain brewing too much, tho, you cant always predict business, you cant conpletely stop discarding bad cofee, but you can limit how much goes bad at a time.
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: im not an enviornmentalist, but, rather, a conservationist. its similar, but without all the modern science to tell us what we already know not to do, and with diferrent political means. i think global warming is a credible future event, however, i think we have tome enuf to get to the root of the problem, the massive reduction of co2 absorbing algae in the oceans.

the enviornmentalist way is to use price points to reduce energy consumption, but that will only work when granny has her gas shut off in mid january, and, dont we already have enough elderly people dying in extreme conditions with the present energy prices? the only peple that will reduce their consumption, in cae of price hike, are the poor and elderly, who will face being disconnected, and the rich will use the same energy, since they have no problem affording it.

the co2 levals are not out of control, the oceans ability to process co2 has been reduced to ocean pollution- acidification.however, the key to a conservationalist "conserve"- waste not, want not, and leave some for the future generations... teddy roosevelt was a staunch conservationalist (and avid wild game hunter ). he is responsible for the federal parks and wildlife reserves. if it werent for teddy, yosemite park might be an amusement park surrounded by stripmalls.

conservation would detest ground water and river pollution, and would promote the restoation of a proper oceanic ph balance. conservation, to me, is a mindet, and environmentalism, an ideology. enviornmentalism has a 1 track carbon emission mindset, which is 1 of many methods to restore a healthy balance to our planet, while conservationists believe in consuming less across the board, its not dead set on an eventual global warming crisis, pollution control is very important, but conservationism is also committted to perserving endangered species, and unique enviornments and habitats- breeding grounds and natural wonders.

the real crux to conservation is to only use what you need, so that what you dont need can be perserved for future generations- including the atmosphere, and so much more.

pehaps if he gop restored conservationism as a party platform, people may come to see that the gop cares about more than the rich guy. and the fact is, there have been greater measures to reduce air, ground, and water pollution under our last 3 gop admins, than all the other admins since carter. the gop still practices i to a degree, but they have been underplaying it, since there have been several cases of admitted or proven fraudulence in some climate change data. i dont see that as proof of global warming being a fraud, i merely see it as being exaggerated in both timeframes and severety- and, if we cannot restore health to the oceans, no amount of co2 reduction will prevent catastrophic global warming
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Why do people keep talking about saving things for the future? There is no future. At some point it's all going to go KA-BOOM! Anything that's still around is going to get fried. So, might as well enjoy it while you can, even if that means pouring coffee down the drain.
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Wonderbunny
Wonderbunny: I don't like to see waste
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Waste happens everywhere in nature. It is only humans who care.
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Wonderbunny
Wonderbunny: Humans are the most wasteful.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: It is abundance that makes people wasteful. When something is desired but scarce it is not wasted.
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Wonderbunny
Wonderbunny: It's scarcity that makes waste sinful.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: It would seem that sin and price go hand in hand then. Both increase as something becomes scarce.
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Wonderbunny
Wonderbunny: true
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Wild__
Wild__: OMG...the world is gonna go KA-BOOM! (in approximately 4.5 billion years)

So don't worry about the homeless. I pour my excess coffee in gutter as they watch, without concern. After all, they are all going to die. (in approximately 4.5 billion years)

I eat until my stomach hurts and throw the rest away without concern for starving children in third world countries. After all, they are all going to die. (in approximately 4.5 billion years)

I should feel bad but eh...fuck it. The world is gonna go KA-BOOM after all! (in approximately 4.5 billion years)
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: You've hit the nail on the head there Wildmann. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow but someday, maybe sooner than you think, the human race will cease to be. But hey, if you want to give to the starving be my guest. It's your call, not mine.
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