Conservationism

the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: Before the liberals embraced environmentalism, conservationism was a republican ideology. teddy roosevelt was caught up in controversy for seizing state land to make national parks and wildlife reserves. more has been done to clean the enviornment over the republican presidents since than by the democratic ones. the republicans need to return to their roots.
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AussieOi
AussieOi: I thought republicans would trash the environment simply for economic gain. If they are anything like our so called conservative 'Liberal' party.
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: they do now...
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AussieOi
AussieOi: So you have bi-partisan enviro-destruction.
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: yeah, we passed a law ilegalizing incandescent light bulbs to cut back on "pollution"- never mind the mercury content of fluorescence... guaranteed they were trying to put money in the pockets of flourescent light manufacturers
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AussieOi
AussieOi: Yup we have had Indian salesmen trying to flog free samples for oh about a year or more.
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: i would think that led lighting is the way to go
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AussieOi
AussieOi: Well Mercury is real bad when it gets into the food web as methyl mercury. Generally not a good idea to use it.
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: when it gets into the water supply, and fluoridates, its the worst. how many people properly recycle florescence? ive never seen seen a florescent recycle drop-off
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AussieOi
AussieOi: In reality most would go into landfill.
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: and would be crushed, and would leak mercury into the ground
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AussieOi
AussieOi: Depends if the landfill is in the catchment of your water supply.
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: they should know better to build a landfill over underground water, but, do you trust the government to be competent?
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AussieOi
AussieOi: Even so, say the mercury leaches into the lake or sea, hell it could even travel by wind.
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: i think it has to be flouridated before it can evaporate at normal air temperatures
flouride, flouresce-nce, hmm
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AussieOi
AussieOi: not sure
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: no, i checked it, not fluorine, or fluoride
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AussieOi
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jennebraska
jennebraska: I find that to be a very valid point, even though I left the Republican party due to thier foriegn policy. So what do you think of the law concerning the production of non-reseeding crops? You know the gentically alternated crops? Is that a lack of conservationism or just greed?

And what about the government's lack of interest in varying ungentic crops and thier various uses? Lack of conservationism or just something I can't put my thumb on.
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If the stars fell
If the stars fell: we think the world belongs to us... we do what we please, so long as it suits our desires, primarily money... kind of like when people say the world is ending but what they really mean is humanity lol its obviously about the money like anything else, making huge amounts of money that you couldnt possibly spend ina lifetime and working everyone else to death while paying them as little as possible seems to be priority one on the agenda, i really dont think most heads of state or corporate leaders give 2 shits about squirrels and such
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Why should they? Why should you?

Shouldn't every man act in their own self-interest? Wouldn't that create a far better world than people trying to force support from one another?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical_egoism

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If the stars fell
If the stars fell: being selfish doesnt help anyone but yourself, that doesnt create a better life for anyone but you
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If the stars fell
If the stars fell: boo on you campbell, people like you make the world worse for the rest of us
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Nonesense. We exist in a time with more altruism than any time before it- and yet the entire world fails in its potential because some people choose to look after their own self-interest rather than allow themselves to be used and cast aside.

I'm curious- do you believe that, in the system you are proposing, that there are no 'sacrifical lambs' whose lives are simply destroyed for the 'good' of the collective? How is it a moral system that destroys people?

Hell, I'm curious if you read my link, or just assumed my comments were wrong?
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: No, i didnt really have too much to say on the topic, other than enviornmentalism is nothing new. Zoarastor taught of gaia and conservationism in the time of abraham, its nothing new.
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the real slim DEEPy
the real slim DEEPy: Id rather accomplish it by mindset then laws, we each only have to cut back out carbon footprint 3%
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