chat chimps (Page 4) Princess Niffa: At least if we do have a go at trolls or pervs it stops there What u and ally have done by publicizing this has caused disruption confusion and the breaking of friendships between regulars as u have forced them to take sides As I said earlier shame on u This shd have been a private matter between urself Sarg and me and the same goes for ally or failing that both of u shd have blocked and u shd give other members credit that if they dont like something they will block In defense of myself I say two things 1. Read my forum tomorrow 2. I have a hell of a lot of friends here so I must be doing something right  Riff raf: Riff raf: Topic: Off Topic some type of reply would be appreciated. 16 days ago ******* (Wireclub Moderator) *******: How can I help you , what exactly do you want clarification on, i would be happy to oblige 16 days ago Riff raf Riff raf: i dont know you , but i sensed you'd be obliging , thnx for that. it seems to me there are two "head moderators", the robot butler who has ultimate say in what gets filtered, and you, the other "head moderator" who just wears the brunt of ppls queries if things done seem right. i didnt want to ask you for two reasons, ur just trying to help out and i didnt want to make ur workload any greater by asking you things that you have no power to remedy. and the fact that you appear to have no power to remedy the issues explained in my forum was the second reason i never bothered writing you before. i put that forum up to get clarification on a few issues that i thought related to all wire users. i assumed someone of authority here would've stood up earlier and answered, but no one has, that's why i'm writing you now. what i and the 3 million ppl who've tried and left wire would like some clarification on is what's in this forum, i know it's long and boring. but it basically suggests the rooms on wire fail because the mods are bias and discriminate in favour of their mates. and to a lesser degree discriminate based on gender. i could've made a 2 line forum asking what's in this forum, if i had've made it too simple it would've seem like an undermining hatred thread, it had to be long in the interests of "diplomacy" to avoid it being deleted by the butler. of the ppl that join here, far more leave rather than stay. to me it seemed the inconsistency of rules enforcement was the main reason. the rest of the site is run well but it gets let down in this area, i thought if it was discussed in a forum things might get looked at. i was wrong, none of the ppl here seem to have any interest in the main reason impeding wires growth. i don't expect or care if you or anyone does anything about how much of a failure the system of modding is here, to me it just seemed so obvious that i thought i'd put it in a forum. the detail of what i'm confused about is in the forum, i dont expect you to reply to this forum anymore than i would expect anyone else to. very few other ppl replied and i respect any ones decision not to reply. i dont expect you (as head moderator) to reply in this forum more than i would expect anyone else to. i seen a forum today that said any issues should be forwarded to you, that's why i sent this note. i thought as head mod u might've already seen this forum, because it over a mnth old now it appears that you mightnt have. i dont expect a reply to this forum, i just thought i'd ask you to at least read the forum. most mods are good, a few are really crap. it's the few crap ones that make the good ones look bad and make the "system" of moderating here look so pathetically crap. to me it seems weirdly odd that zero ppl here discuss something so obvious, i would've felt weird staying here without having at least tried to discuss it. thnx for taking the time to listen , much appreciated , good luck. 16 days ago ******* (Wireclub Moderator) *******: The reason behind why your forum posting was not given the curtsey of a response is given the volume of threads in the forums sometimes things can get lost in the noise of information to be fully addressed . My Apology As for the Robot Butler it is an automated program that responds according to the amount of times a posting has been Flagged or reported ... the human factor is eliminated from the equation. The main point you have raised is a suggestion that " the mods are bias and discriminate in favour of their mates. and to a lesser degree discriminate based on gender" For me to take action I really need to have corroboration that supports your viewpoint , A lot of what you have said is based on opinions and not fact based . I will take prompt action should you be able to support your viewpoint with hard facts that support the allegation you have made . It is sometimes hard to differentiate between a genuine complaint and that of one which is motivated by personal animosity brought on by the position of authority a mod is placed in . Your assessment and viewpoint does not take in to consideration the nuances and complexities of moderating nor is it fully informed of the bigger picture . opinions are open to interpretation Facts are set in stone , The modus operandi of the team is always adapting to the needs of the community , a number of the issues you have mentioned in the forum have already been addressed . and are now redundant . The assertation that the "system" of moderating here look so pathetically crap is an opinion which you are entitled to I will take in to consideration the points you have made in the hopes of improving the standing of the team in your eye, 16 days ago Riff raf Riff raf: what i see depends on where i'm sitting , if that makes any sense, i tried to write this forum from the perspective of the ppl that leave. when i use terms like crap, my intention is to be direct rather than offensive. the forums is where ppl keep in touch after the rooms become unbearable. forums are large here, rooms are not, considering the amount of forum input, i wouldnt expect its possible for any one single person to cover the mass that is the forums. the current system here has no delegation, or room for expansion is why things get lost in the noise of information, no apology required. the forums here (butler), although boring seem very very safe and that's a massive plus, but it's hard to deny there's somethin not quite right goin on with the rooms. number are not opinions that ppl might rightly or wrongly suggest are ignorant opinions. numbers are a reality, 3 mill ppl thru here and my ignorant guess at how many regular stay here would be a generous 3 to 5%, if theres more ppl here , i dont see em. not sure where you're from but here, private enterprise reckons 5% of a market isnt considered very good at all, and ask why that percentage isnt higher. this forum is essentially about numbers, not opinions. assertions of fact that ppls views are inconsiderate and ignorant is actually an opinion, not fact. it's easy to see how ppl get things like this confused. "confusion" was the first thing i saw when i wondered why the rooms didnt grow, that's opinion. my opinion, my ignorant opinion which i put forward to get the ball rolling with regards to looking at the room numbers. i didnt see many replies of merit in this forum so far, i'm still "confused" as i was when i first posted it. ur opinion of my viewpoint as lacking consideration and my ignorance with regards to the complexities of "moderation" and the bigger picture was something i tried to avoid giving the impression of, i'm disappointed i failed. specifically here at wire my ignorance with regards to "how" it run here i openly admit, that might be the viewpoint of all the ppl that leave. confusion. not very "user friendly" to the large percentage. keeping in mind "user friendly" is open to individual interpretation aka opinion. most ppl want user friendly chat and don't wanna be hassled with getting to know the "bigger picture" here. most ppl don't care about the bigger picture when they chat, majority of ppl just wanna have fun, they do for a while then they give up on rooms for reasons no one has an interest in. another thing that some may suggest isnt that "user friendly" is this suggestion of corroboration required and such lol. i dont do it but i've seen chat with screenshot ppl, to suggest that ppl should spend endless hrs documenting this and that just so they can be free to chat with a few friends?, not maketh user friendly. everything gets lost in the noise so they leave the rooms. i mighnt know everything about moderating, but i do know a bit about human nature, most times what ppl say depends on who is around. this creates a mindset where what's "right" can vary depending on who is around. admin here shouldnt need corroboration mumbo jumbo, ppl dont wanna get caught up in all the drama crap in rooms. so they leave, the numbers say the rooms dont last, them numbers are a fact set in stone, the futures only written in pencil though. the longer wire more, moves around in numbers, but never expands, the more "odd" i find it. these notes are not easy for me , they dont "flow out", because of that i might only respond in forum from this point on. the bigger wire rooms try to get the more destined they are to go the way of IMP. to me the moderating system here doesnt appear to have any mechanisms for growth. more rooms = more mods seems only strategy i see. its all good n well having lots more mods around, but with that comes the human nature aspect of whats said CAN depend on who is around. maybe if some moderators went into rooms in incognito john/jane doe profiles, they might be surprised at some things they might see. ppl shouldnt have to screenshot and rubbish. definitely no disrespect intended you, but chat moderators can be a come and go type of thing, not sayin thats a bad thing, thats just how it is. and with that again comes the say what dependent on who around. in private enterprise as business' expand, it gets harder for the "left hand to know what the right hand is doing". if some/any type of mechanisms are not put into place to keep the left and right hand in touch, the business can not, and does not grow. just strikes me as odd how wire doesnt grow. i think i might be like most ppl and only have a mild interest in things instead of it being too consuming, i only wondered. about the numbers, the reasons behind them numbers are too complex to go into anymore detail considering the amount of effort i put towards this today. thnx for trying to improve the standing of the team in my eyes, from what i see, most mods put the interests of the site before themselves, not all though, with some it's the other way around, things like that shouldnt be open to "who ever is around at the time", that turns ppl off. if the site was larger some ppl might be less inclined to put their own interests above that of the site. one day it might grow, maybe, who knows. 16 days ago ******* (Wireclub Moderator) *******: I have been apart of the modorating team since its inception 4 16 days ago ******* (Wireclub Moderator) *******: I have been apart of the moderation team since its inception 4 years ago , I refute your suggestion it is stagnant we adapt to meet the needs of the community and we are always evolving . You suggest we add more numbers to the team , it is my educated opinion that we have sufficient numbers to meet the needs of the community . The dynamics of the community are forever in flux and changing . You suggest we go incognito and spy on users ,that is not what mods are hear to do . we are fully aware of the situation on the ground we have access to a variety of tools which keep us informed . you suggest the site has stagnated and the mods are at fault for stunting growth . The opposite is the truth since the change in format wire has increased its population by over a ,million users and is growing at an enormous rate. As for corroboration of any alleged miss use of power by a mod I suggest you flag said offence by pressing the ! in chat it will take a screen shot that can be reviewed .it will independently support any allegation made . The systems of checks and balances are there to prevent abuse . The team we have in place are experienced proven moderators. if they were misusing there privileges then they would not have lasted this long as part of the team . A lot of what you are trying to communicate to me is hyperbole . I can assure you we put the needs of the community first and we try to resolve any issues you may experience . The dynamics of the community are complicated and each room is different . people come and people go wire has always been a cyclical community . I trust the moderation team know what they are doing . Given the experience they have and the commitment they have for the betterment of the community They are only volunteers that gift there time for the betterment of the place . Yes the system is not perfect and there is always room for improvement . I accept criticism as long as it is positive . There is very little i can do about your own personal perception of the community . But I do want to resolve things as best I can . Thank you kindly for making me aware of your grievances. 16 days ago Princess Niffa: I can't believe that Riff is so paranoid that he believes that mods would favour ppl from the other side of the world that they've never even met. And before u start knocking wireclubs profit margins (quoting statistics that uve pulled out of ur backside) why dont u compare it to how much profit u make in a year and stfu. | Off Topic Chat Room Similar Conversations |
