Are people inherently STUPID? (Page 4)

I was here
I was here: Ohhh people smuggle cigarettes. Though a legal substance it still gets smuggled. Same with Alcohol. Though legal in many parts of the USA...it is illegal in some. Alaska comes to mind. Many villages of Alaska prohibit alcohol and people are arrested daily for trying to bring it in.
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Serabi: I never knew that1 Thanks for telling me. I would agree with banning alchohol. It destroys so many lives. I really cannot understand why people need to drink and get drunk and on top of that ... Drive!
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OCD_OCD: Alaska has terrible problems related to alcohol. Their rates of fetal alcohol syndrome are awful.
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Serabi: My son was born with severe alcohol side effects.His liver is severely affected, he can't eat fatty foods and he cannot tolerate any alcohol. His brother had even more, limbs were affected and he suffers from dyslexia;
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OCD_OCD: I'm so sorry. It affects many children here in the US also.
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Serabi: Sheryl Cwele guilty of drug trafficking
2011-05-05 15:12


Pietermaritzburg - Sheryl Cwele, wife of State Security Minister Siyabonga Cwele, has been found guilty of drug trafficking by the KwaZulu-Natal High Court.

Judge Piet Koen began delivering the judgment in the High Court in Pietermaritzburg at 11:00 on Thursday.

Earlier in the day he ruled against the State’s bid to have the case re-opened to allow them to have more witnesses take the stand.

Cwele and her co-accused Frank Nabolisa were charged with dealing or conspiring to deal in drugs, procuring Charmaine Moss to collect drugs in Turkey, and procuring Tessa Beetge to smuggle cocaine from South America.

Beetge was arrested when 10kg of cocaine was found in her luggage in Brazil in 2008. She is serving a jail sentence in Sao Paolo. Moss turned State witness.

Cwele says she had spent a fortune on legal fees. Her employer, the Hibiscus Coast Municipality, was also not paying her for taking leave to attend court proceedings.

"That means that each time I attend the court proceedings I have to pay for my legal team and lose income. I have lost a fortune as a result of my attendance," she says, submitting that re-opening the case would make the situation worse.

She describes the case as a high-profile matter which had attracted much media attention, and had found some of the reports hurtful to her and her family.

- SAPA


Sheryl Cwele's salary reinstated
2011-07-21 11:43


Chris Ndaliso, The Witness

Durban - Hibiscus Coast municipal manager Sbu Mkhize has explained why the salary of convicted drug trafficker Sheryl Cwele was reinstated.

Cwele was convicted and sentenced to 12 years for drug trafficking with her co-accused, Nigerian Frank Nabolisa. After she was suspended without pay with effect from June 10, Cwele took the council to the Labour Court to reverse a council resolution regarding her salary. Papers were later filed with the council.

Mkhize said the municipality resolved to request a postponement of the court hearing to allow it time for a thorough consultation, to weigh up the legal costs of the court process and to research whether a precedent has been set in a similar situation.

Following this process, and consultation with all political parties within the municipality, the council realised that the chances of successfully opposing Cwele were slim, the municipal manager said.

“When the case sat on Wednesday July 13, 2011, the municipality acceded to Mrs Cwele’s submission.”

Cwele is now on suspension with full pay, pending the outcome of the disciplinary hearing, Mkhize said, adding that the hearing is at an advanced stage and the committee chairperson could soon determine the sanction.

“We understand and are aware of the interest this has within the public and mainly the media. As the municipality we will ensure to give an update whenever it is necessary. However, we would not like to speculate on sentiments hence due to processes that have to be observed and respected,” Mkhize said.


- The Witness


Sheryl Cwele sentenced to 12 years

Wife of State Security minister is sentenced to 12 years in prison in the Pietermaritzburg high court for drug trafficking


NICKOLAUS BAUER

Sheryl Cwele, wife of State Security Siyabonga Cwele , has been sentenced to twelve years in prison in the Pietermaritzburg High Court for drug trafficking.

Cwele was sentenced along with her co-accused Frank Nabolisa for crimes committed in 2008 where they procured two woman to smuggle cocaine from South America to South Africa.

One of the woman Tessa Beetge is serving a 7-year- jail sentence in Sao Paolo after being arrested with 10kg of cocaine in her possession in Brazil.

Cwele and Nabolisa had pleaded not guilty to dealing and conspiring to deal in drugs.

In delivering sentence, presiding judge Piet Coen described the crime as "very serious".

"Many families are affected by drugs which are brought here illegally. They suffer as a result of dealers who often initiate addiction by constant supply and thrive on that addiction," Coen said.

"CWELE SHOULD STAY AS MINISTER"

Since the allegations first came to light, Minister Cwele has come under intense scrutiny, with opposition parties questioning his knowledge and involvement in his wife’s crimes.

Cwele alleges that he and his wife have been estranged for some time and that he had no knowledge whatsoever of her crimes.

Sheryl Cwele’s conviction will add further pressure on her husband to relinquish his position as a minister, but analysts think otherwise.

Steven Friedman, director of the Centre for the Study of Democracy at the University of Johannesburg, told Business Day that Minister Cwele should not be judged based on his wife’s actions.

’We ought to distinguish between ministers and their spouses. It will be setting a bad precedent if we find someone guilty by association’ he said.

However, Friedman added that should information arise that Cwele knew about his wife’s actions , he should be removed from office.

"If proved that he knew something, his position would of course be rendered untenable," Friedman said.


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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: Holy cow! Where do you even start with an outrageous mess like that?
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Serabi
Serabi: This is just one case of 'extra-curricular activities' by our esteemed members of government.


METRO POLICE CHIEF - Robert McBride was found guilty of DUI and sacked. (This asshole planted a bomb (in the Apartheid days) in a church and killed many innocent adults and children on a Sunday.) I do not believe and do not go to church but this is just fundamentally wrong.

McBride dubbed evil, arrogant
September 9 2011 at 07:24am
By PATRICK HLAHLA

Sentencing him to two years’ imprisonment for drunk driving and five years for defeating the ends of justice, two of them suspended for three years, Pretoria Regional Court magistrate Peet Johnson said McBride had played down the seriousness of the case and portrayed himself as an innocent victim. McBride’s driving licence was suspended for 18 months. His advocate, Guido Penzhorn, immediately applied for leave to appeal.



NATIONAL COMMISSIONER OF POLICE and PRESIDENT OF INTERPOL - Jackie Selebe sent to prison for corruption (Not serving his sentence yet because his is too sick.)

Jacob (Jackie) Sello Selebi (born 7 March 1950 in Johannesburg) is the former national commissioner of the South African Police Service, and a former president of Interpol. In January 2008, Selebi was put on extended leave as national police commissioner, and resigned as president of Interpol, after he was charged with corruption in his native South Africa. He was replaced as national commissioner in July 2009 by Bheki Cele. Selebi was found guilty of corruption on 2 July 2010 and sentenced to 15 years imprisonment on 3 August 2010. His appeal against his sentence was overturned by the Supreme Court of Appeal on 2 December 2011, after the court unanimously ruled against him.



PRESIDENT of SOUTH AFRICA -- Jacob Zuma's corruption charges are still pending while he is president. Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma (born 12 April 1942) is the President of South Africa, elected by parliament following his party's victory in the 2009 general election.

Zuma is the President of the African National Congress (ANC), the governing political party, and was Deputy President of South Africa from 1999 to 2005. Zuma is also referred to by his initials JZ and his clan name Msholozi. Zuma became the President of the ANC on 18 December 2007 after defeating incumbent Thabo Mbeki at the ANC conference in Polokwane. Zuma was also a member of the South African Communist Party (SACP), briefly serving on the party's Politburo until he left the party in 1990. On 20 September 2008, Thabo Mbeki announced his resignation after being recalled by the African National Congress's National Executive Committee, following a conclusion by Judge Nicholson of improper interference in the National Prosecuting Authority (NPA), including the prosecution of Jacob Zuma for corruption. Zuma has faced significant legal challenges. He was charged with rape in 2005, but was acquitted. In addition, he fought a long legal battle over allegations of racketeering and corruption, resulting from his financial advisor Schabir Shaik's conviction for corruption and fraud. History - was in exile and NOT very popular where-ever he went. In January 1987, Zuma was again forced to leave a country, this time by the government of Mozambique. He moved to the ANC Head Office in Lusaka, Zambia, where he was appointed Head of Underground Structures and shortly thereafter Chief of the Intelligence Department. His tenure there remains the subject of considerable controversy.



HIGH COURT JUDGE - Nkola Motata in another accident. (Not in Jail yet)

JOHANNESBURG, SOUTH AFRICA - Feb 19 2012 06:48

Judge Nkola Motata -- a convicted drunk driver -- was involved in another accident in Braamfontein, Johannesburg, Sunday World online reported.

Johannesburg Metro Police spokesperson Wayne Minnaar said Motata had been sober at the time of the collision between his Jaguar and a minibus taxi. "The accident occurred in Braamfontein on the corner of Jan Smuts Avenue and Bertha Street during the early hours of yesterday [Saturday] morning," Minnaar said. "Procedurally, when no one is injured or has died, it becomes the responsibility of the drivers to report the accident within 24 hours," Minnaar said. When asked if a breathalyser test had been carried out, Minnaar said: "The judge was not drunk. This was confirmed by the officers on the scene." In November last year, Motata lost his appeal against a drunk-driving conviction. He crashed his car into the garden wall of a house in Hurlingham, north of Johannesburg, in 2007. The owner of the house, Richard Baird, testified against him. Two judges dismissed the appeal against his conviction and sentence, which is either a R20 000 fine or 12 months in jail. - Sapa



WOMAN"S LEAGUE PRESIDENT - WINNIE MANDELA Murder.

Mandela's reputation was damaged by her bloodthirsty rhetoric, the most noteworthy example of this being a speech she gave in Munsieville on 13 April 1986, where she endorsed the practice of necklacing (burning people alive using tyres and petrol) in the struggle to end apartheid. She said, "with our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country". VICIOUS AND BARBERIC WOMAN! Further tarnishing her reputation were accusations by her bodyguard, Jerry Musivuzi Richardson, that Winnie Madikizela-Mandela ordered kidnapping and murder. On 29 December 1988, Richardson, coach of the Mandela United Football Club (MUFC) – which acted as Mrs. Mandela's personal security detail – abducted 14-year-old James Seipei (also known as Stompie Moeketsi) and three other youths from the home of Methodist minister Rev. Paul Verryn. Mrs. Mandela claimed that she had the youth taken to her home because she suspected the reverend was sexually abusing them. The four were beaten in order to get them to admit to sex with the reverend and Seipei was also accused of being an informer. Seipei's body was found in a field with stab wounds to the throat on 6 January 1989. This incident became a cause célèbre for the apartheid government. In 1991, she was convicted of kidnapping and being an accessory to assault in connection with the death of Seipei. Her six-year jail sentence was reduced to a fine on appeal. The final report of the South African Truth and Reconciliation commission, issued in 1998, found "Ms Winnie Madikizela Mandela politically and morally accountable for the gross violations of human rights committed by the MUFC." 6 year jail term for murdering a child???????

Footnote: the people she burned were not White, but Black. Does it make sense - nothing does in this country.



THE LIST GOES ON AND ON! NEARLY EVERY MEMBER OF PARLIMENT HAS A CRIMINAL CAREER OR CHARGES PENDING!!!
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Serabi: Since the birth of democracy, the public has begun to hear a lot more about police corruption from the media than ever before. Stories describing police corruption or other forms of criminality often make news headlines or appear regularly in newspaper, television or radio reports. The following newspaper headlines represent a small fraction of what has appeared in newspapers in recent times:

'Gauteng police chief facing fraud charges'
'Rotten heist cops still on the beat—Officer supplied armour-piercing bullets for highway robbery'
'Police admit link to child brothels—Three officers are being investigated for accepting bribes or owning Hillbrow establishments, police chief says.'
'MEC speaks out on police corruption—Mokonyane shocked that senior officers worked hand-in-hand with criminals'
'Stiff sentence for guilty officer urged'
'Prisoner bribed cops to be with me, says girlfriend' .
'Give me R300 and I'll drop charges—Police sergeant arrested in sting involving woman and Anti-Corruption Unit'
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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: wow. the corruption and inequities there are beyond my comprehension. I have heard of necklacing, which is barbaric beyond belief.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties:

He actually had to edit that.

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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: I'm not sure what X means, but I hope that wasn't a slap at Sixties because if it was, then that would make X look pretty small minded and inept.
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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: Ohhhhh, LOL. You really are small minded aren't you?
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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: Replay of what? More of your peevishness? Go ahead. Show us what you've got.
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Comrade_
Comrade_:
Are people inherently STUPID?

Answer: Apparently so.
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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: Oh, I'm so very impressed. Really.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: Might want to edit that there Sparky, why so defensive hmm, no one is talking about you. I see OCD_OCD is handling you pretty well. Another beat down huh well hope that works out for you.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: you "satisfied him" well I guess with that I should be going..I really think you might want to edit that one, Sparky. The only one I see ruining the topic is you..and what a person's (whoever you're referring to) country or religion has to do with anything Ah it's Friday night, me no have no time for dez laterz have fun playin in dez closet *hint hint*
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