New Game - Keno

Danny X2: So we're getting a new game - Keno. I've played it. I'm wondering what version of Keno we're getting, it's been called the Chinese Lottery. For those of those that feel we've been hosed in Wireslots for the past year, you should know that Keno is widely known to have the worst odds of any gambling game, sometimes with a payout as low as 60%.

Wire has never disclosed what the payout of their other games are, typical slots payouts in a casino are as high as 97%, but I can't imagine Wireslots payout is anything close to that.

For more on Keno - here's what Wikihow has to say:

http://www.wikihow.com/Win-Keno

Since I guess it's in Beta, we don't know yet, but I hope wire finally releases a game that is more for fun, and a strong social aspect, instead of the zombie like game of Wireslots here you just pile 10,000 credits an hour into a game with little to no payout.

Corwin: They're still working a few bugs out of the Keno here before it's released to the members. I've given it a test-drive... it's pretty fun, but yes, the odds are of course tipped in favor of the house (like every Casino game, with the exception of Blackjack).

But they make no secret of it... there's a [payout] tab where you can see a chart of all the various payouts. If you know a little statistical probability math, you can get out a calculator and figure out the odds.
But the point of any game like this is just to have fun. In the long-run you are likely to lose chips, but there is a chance that you could win really big... it's called "gambling".

CerealKing: With the exception of Blackjack LOL

BINGO BRO: corwin where can a member find this so called "[payout] tab" as you stated "But they make no secret of it... there's a [payout] tab where you can see a chart of all the various payouts"

BINGO BRO: wire should disclose the typical houses edge in games

Corwin: Why is that funny, CerealKing?

CerealKing: Because blackjack isn't in favor of the of the house?

Corwin: No... not if you know how to play.

In proper Casino Blackjack you can get an edge on the house of several percent. Wire's Blackjack doesn't have the option of "doubling down" or "splitting a pair" (which you would ALWAYS do with a pair of Aces ), and therefore the best odds you can achieve is about 50/50.

The reason most people lose their chips at Blackjack is because they don't know how to play, and succumb to the temptation to gamble. A proper Blackjack system isn't gambling... it's math.
For instance most people don't know when to stand with a 12... things like that.

CerealKing: Bingo bro has played over 200,000 hands of blackjack here and he'll be the first to tell you wire blackjack is rigged, I for d*mn sure know how to play blackjack and read all the advices any website can give, and I lose all the time. Wire blackjack definitely has an advantage over its players, and it's fine. That's how the site makes money, we get it. But I just found your comment a bit funny.

Corwin: The Blackjack isn't rigged.

The first thing I did when Blackjack arrived here was spend an evening with a pen and paper, and keeping track of all the cards that were played... at the end of the night I got out my calculator and to see if there were any anomalies with the cards.

There weren't. Wire's Blackjack deck is completely random, and as far as I can tell, at least a 10 deck draw (possibly infinite). Which also means that the form of cheating known as "card counting" would be pointless.

I can play Wireclub Blackjack for hours and break-even in the long run, which also was proof enough to me that it wasn't rigged. If you're losing your credits at it, then your playing system is the problem, not the game.

And EVERYBODY "thinks" they know how to play Blackjack... very few actually do.
For instance, do YOU ever stand with a 12?

CerealKing: I believe Rod told me it was an 8 draw deck.

Also if you break even on wire blackjack why aren't you first every day? if I could accomplish that there would be nothing holding me back from being 1st daily, I mean, I am level 35 which is pretty good having almost 12m in wins, where are you on that board? I think you should get a bit higher and play a lot more before you 100% assume it's not rigged. It might not be "rigged" but it is definitely more likely the dealer will win in the long haul.

CerealKing: and yes, you stand with 12 if dealer shows 6 or 5. But wire blackjack is different, if you bet 1,000 dealer has 6, I will bet you 100 bucks real cash that 5 times out of 7 he is gonna turn over 5 10 - 21... or if he shows a 6 and turns over a 16, he'll get a 4 and get 20. But if you bet 10 or 20 he'll bust

Corwin: I think it's all in your imagination.

The odds are 50/50.... IF you know a proper system. For instance, you said that you stand on 12 if the dealer shows a 6 or 5.... but you stand on 12 if the dealer has ANYTHING below a 7 (except the Ace).
It's not the game's fault that you're losing, it's your system that needs to be reworked.

And do you know why I don't play Wire Blackjack? Two big reasons.

[1] Like I mentioned earlier, it doesn't have the option of Doubling Down or Splitting Pairs, so the best I can do is 50/50 on the house.

[2] Playing with a system is BORING. There's no gambling involved... no rush. You never change the size of you bet, and in any given situation there's only ONE correct move. It's totally systematic, and I'm basically playing on "auto-pilot".

If I can't beat the house and slowly and steadily increase my chips, then I just don't see the point in playing. I'm not going to waste hours at a mindless game just to see my name on a leader-board.

CerealKing: I would give you 20,000 credits if I was gold and watch you lose them all. I'd ask you to bet 1,000 until you either have 40,000 or 0 and you tell me the truth. I lost over 61,000 in about 30 minutes on wire blackjack about 10 months ago, but I started with 1,000 and won all 61,000 in 3 days with that 61,000 so tell me how I lost it all in 30 minutes if it's not rigged? I want you to try it out instead of just speaking. I can talk about anything but unless I PROPERLY studied it like Bingo bro and I have, then I wouldn't be speaking. Just my 2 cents.

Corwin: 20,000 isn't enough of a float to make 1,000 credit bets.
You ALWAYS need to have at least 50 times the size of your bet in your float... you're starting with less than half of that.

You see what I mean? All I'm hearing here is somebody who doesn't know how to play Blackjack.

CerealKing: It doesn't matter, Bingo bro had over 600,000 and lost it all... it's not about what is enough to float, one major flaw as you mentioned is there is no doubling down or splitting, and there is a 1,000 bet limit, there needs to be no limit, bet what you want. If you have 600,000 and lose 1,000 bet 2,000 lose 2,000 bet 4,000 but Rod knows why it's not built like that, because then no one would ever lose. There would always be a way to break even and Bingo bro would've never lost 600k

BINGO BRO: ill mention i lost that in 2 days

CerealKing: Plus, you said it was 50/50... if it's 50/50 then 20,000 is more than enough, lose 1 win 1, lose 2, win 2... if it's 50/50 like you claim it is.

CerealKing: Out of the top 10 people on blackjack including me - I will say it is rigged, bingo bro says it is rigged... JeffreyPlyer told me he used to spend hundreds here every week because he could NEVER win on wire blackjack, he finally told me a few months ago he had enough of wire blackjack, Rockinj8 is another one that used to spend a lot of money here and he told me personally in PM when I asked why he quit playing blackjack on wire? he said "I got tired of losing, I gave up on it. You can't win." DJ 1 doesn't play anymore either. Why is everyone on the top 10 list telling me that it is rigged and quit playing? because maybe we have a point? eh? I think I know more on this subject than you do, so anymore replies won't be acknowledge because you're talking with inane "facts" that truly mean nothing.

Or are all of the top 10 players on wire blackjack just really bad at math and sucky players?

CerealKing: If wire blackjack wasn't rigged there would be at least one person in the top 25 coming out in a profit every day, but there's not and never has been. Every person I ever asked that wins the races on blackjack including me, always tell me they're down from where they started that day.

Corwin: "it's not about what is enough to float"

Yes it is.

"if it's 50/50 then 20,000 is more than enough, lose 1 win 1, lose 2, win 2"

No... 20,000 is NOT enough to make 1,000 bets, and statistical probability doesn't work like that.
Again... everything you're saying is just telling me that you don't understand the game.
And it's not 50/50 for you because your system is flawed.

And I'd wager that those top 10 people ALSO don't use a proper system.
And it's understandable... as I said, playing a Blackjack system is boring. Those people want to gamble. And why not... gambling is fun. Playing with system is NOT.
If you gamble at Blackjack you will lose eventually.

CerealKing: Okay, thank you for your insightful reply. Maybe you can show me what you're talking about? Try to win the race every day this week and get into the top 25 by the end of May, since you know so much about it, it should be no issues at all for you. So please try. Prove me wrong... btw Rod sent me a website with proper blackjack rules to follow and I did follow everything and still lost. It's not about being rigged, but it's definitely in favor of the house, that is for sure.

Corwin: I played the Blackjack for months when it was fist here... I got bored. I'd go up, I'd go down, I'd go up, I'd go down, I'd go up, I'd go down.... and in the end all I could do was friggin' break even. With real Blackjack I'd at least be able to slowly climb upwards with my chips, in return for hours of tedious boredom.

Tell you what... instead of making accusations of rigging, would you like me to teach you my system in private message? My dad taught it to me back when I was about your age.
But you won't like it... a lot of memorization, and in the end, you'll find it just as tedious and boring as I do... you won't lose your chips, but it's not a lot of fun.

That's why I only play Poker... that actually takes skill, and you get to "gamble".

BINGO BRO: im intrigued message me and tell me your playing system

Corwin: I will do that, Bro.

BINGO BRO: thank you