What do You think of islam? please all must write and contribute :) (Page 2)

Zanjan: Wouldn't you if you had to travel through remote areas, filled with bandits or pirates? One can't always be close to a weigh point. They were hardly unique in that respect.

I'd rather go up against a sword than a semi-automatic rifle with a bump stock.

ghostgeek: I'm not sure all those Jews who lost their heads would agree with you.

Zanjan: You still harbouring that old myth?

The Arab Jews in Muhammad's time were a small clan of consistently evil traitors; they'd signed a peace pact with Muhammad, as per the Charter of Medina, so were sworn allies. They committed treason - Medina wasn't just a city, it was a State so what they did wasn't just a stab in the back, it was an act of high treason. Although they deserved execution, they asked Muhammad for forgiveness so were exiled. TWICE they betrayed their agreements. Not a drop of blood was spilled and that was by His mercy.

Everyone thought this sentence was too light so when the Jews returned and sided with the enemy a third time, Muhammad agreed that the Chief Jewish arbiter, the tribe's own ally, should judge and sentence them under their own law from the Torah. (NOT Muslim law). THAT guy sentenced the turncoats to death. This is what the Torah prescribes:

"“When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee. Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them....; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee: That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the Lord your God.”

Three times the charm, eh?

Muhammad spared the enemy Meccans and their leaders by His grace and, they bloody well knew it because sparing them went against their traditions too.

Zanjan: You might ask why Muhammad was so beneficent. In the Quran, one reads "slay the infidels"........that applies only to Muslim traitors within Islam - that is, Covenant breakers, not those who leave the religion. The laws of Islam only apply to Muslims.

At the time of these events, Muhammad was serving in a civil administrative capacity - that means He was governing people of all faiths, just like our own government does. Yet, unlike our government, Muhammad respected religious courts' authority over their own members.

briansmythe: I think some one got it Mixed up somewhere

briansmythe: geez better Educated according the the United states and Europen leaders hey , Well they can have that

Zanjan: Maybe it's appropriate that fanatics insist on ridiculous rules - it keeps them from running wild in the streets. There's an age-old pattern going on there; it's called ' when you can't beat the opposition, you turn on each other'.

Humans are very competitive by nature. It doesn't take long to find out what level you qualify for.

Zanjan: Does anyone like some of the Quranic laws? I like the divorce law. So simple, easy, fast, and cheap! On the curious side, only the husband can pronounce divorce but that's not a big deal - any woman can get her husband to want to divorce her, without cheating on him to facilitate that.

It's really a crime that lawyers can take their clients to the cleaners, and one partner can strip the other of all their possessions. The Quran prevents that because the wife already has her personal stash (from the marriage dowry), plus any personal effects and property that's in her name. Neither are forbidden to marry again afterwards either.

Do I hear any yays?

ghostgeek: Yeah, we can hear all those women clapping their hand because they're so happy.

Zanjan: Every divine dispensation enlightens the world; that includes all existing religions because you can't pray to God sincerely and get nothing back.

If it hadn't been for the light and power of the dispensation of Islam to advance civilization, Jewish and Christian women would have zilch. You ought to check out how many rights and freedoms they had before 600 AD - that's not counting the slaves. If some women are still in that situation now, who's at fault?

briansmythe: When you cant beat the Opperistion you reckon Zanjan , I think Saudi has got the USA Britan right where they want them , Just who"s going to start turning on each other , Remains to be seen
lol

ghostgeek: How to create an empire that stretches from sea to sea. Very enlightening.

Zanjan: Genghis Khan had more territory. His religion was Tengrism, and he was very tolerant, studying and consulting leaders from all religions - Christians, Buddhists and Muslims, etc; he showed favour to men who pray to heaven, even exempting them from tax duties.

If the Muslims were such great conquerors, they could have taken him on and won. They didn't.

There are no more empires - God put the kibosh on that because it was time for the next growth spurt.

hornchurchmale: anybody welling their religion will want enthuse and push it as a lifestyle and insist. any negative comments are wrong.biased etc. not going to get into discussion here a pointless exercise but if we look at all the religions .. only this one has members carrying out some very disturbing acts in its name. personally I think ANY religion that even suggest harm to others is correct in any form is not only uncivilised but morally wrong in itself.
history shows religion ( even today) is possibly second biggest killer of People after disease than anything else!
what would world be like if there was no religion ? or those that do not agree with your ideas where allowed to live in peace and harmony?

Zanjan: Hey, not everyone pushes their own religion at the expense of others. I fully support Islam and have said only good things about it, despite the fact I belong to a different religion.

" only this one has members carrying out some very disturbing acts in its name"

I think you need to bone up on your history and follow the daily news. Every religion before Islam had numerous members who committed disturbing acts; some of them still do. While we can't paint all members with the same brush, all old religions have the same history.

Meanwhile, the world has never seen a better producer of beneficence outside of religion, where the crudest, wildest, and lawless found their dwelling. In the past, we've called them barbarians or savages - that's what the world is like without religion. We know this so why ask?

However, the world has changed, becoming a global village; now, the "unwashed masses" are called culturally backwards, slackers, criminals or losers. There is no peace among them. Religion is intended to civilize people and bring them happiness and unity but there's no guarantee everyone will sign up or achieve more than just mimicry.

We don't form our morals by the opinions of individuals - we copy them from society because we're natural mimics, not free thinkers. Some of us learn that mimicry is shallow. Takes a lot of courage to depart from tradition and step outside one's environmental box.

briansmythe: back in 1627 Two wrongs make a right

ghostgeek: So we all live in a global village in one big love-in, do we? And I suppose Santa drops down the chimney every year for his mince pie and tipple of sherry?

Zanjan: Maybe it's been awhile since you visited a village. Individuals are known by what they do in the community but, in a village, people are also relatives - the social structure is much more inclusive, whether one likes a given relative or not.

I think you're confusing culture with genetics.

Physical evolution is very slow but social evolution moves at lightening speed. Divine guidance directs the eye - that is, instructs us to see no one as a stranger.

ghostgeek: There's a village just up the road from me. Ten, fifteen minutes walk away. Always seems like the damned, or the dead, live there.

Zanjan: We have those...they're called ghost towns. Might be one or two people living there - hermits or squatters. Oddly, there's always a fine patch of rhubarb growing in a corner, surrounded by wild oat grass.
On a summer day, you might find some weekend cowboy moving through the area with a metal detector. Yeah, I used to do that.

ghostgeek: No, not a ghost town, just somewhere where people rarely walk about.

Fog Swept Glade: That belief system is outwardly laughable and is impractical. If I could compare it to anything it would be the saturating christianity that we must digest whether we consent to be constipated or not. It is admittedly a religion of mandatory submission that a user must contour to. It isn‘t for cavorting about haphazardly with or acting too flashy, they just do that on their own.

Zanjan: " mandatory submission that a user must contour to"

Submission to God is the THEME - if that were a law, it would have to executed, along with every Muslim who didn't comply. Like you know what's in everyone's hearts behind closed doors!

You may laugh all you want but if it were impractical, it wouldn't have survived 1,500 years plus and have more *active* members than Christianity. Can you tell if a Christian is participating or just mouthing?

Fog Swept Glade: It‘s the same thing and it is of zero use in such a format.

ghostgeek: What practical good has Islam ever done the world, other than to lop off heads, castrate slaves and plunder?