What do You think of islam? please all must write and contribute :) (Page 15)

Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: Were an open face society always have been. We were even prudish about aboriginals walking around half naked
But walking around like Ned Kelly
Takes things too far
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Groovius Maximus
Groovius Maximus: Where are you from, Devil?
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: Australia groovius .
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Fractured fairy tale: What state do you live in in the US?
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Groovius Maximus
Groovius Maximus: I live in Tacoma, Washington. It's a mid-sized city. Not too small, but not a bustling metropolis either. I like it.
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: Oh cool yeah I think I Know where you mean not far from Seattle . Thats cool

Yeah I live about 2 hours away from Sydney its good . So I know what you mean
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: What I ment by the Right Track is
This whole debate is everywhere some people want to Kick all the Muslims out
I don't think they have to go that far . But on the other Hand theres got to be Some give and Take . Most Countries in the Middle east they don't wear Burkas
Its only heaps Religious states like Saudi and the Teleban say that force everyone to wear burkas and that . And not mix with non Muslims. Its like Isis they got to lock them up or they kill any one not like them .But they also Ban any other Religion but Islam . And its usually all pushed out of Saudi Arabi
So I don't reckon we should be encouraging that in the west . We allow any religion. I donno
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: Hey groovis Im glad they fixed that Tecoma narrows Bridge .That looked scarey
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: OK, so people can convert to Islam and there's no problem, but what if they go the other way?
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Groovius Maximus
Groovius Maximus: I personally don't care what faith anyone converts to or turns away from.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: I've heard of a few people leaving Islam and met a few who simply moved on - nobody asked why and nothing happened to them. Islam isn't a cult.

Same as in Christianity. There's no drama- nobody announces they're leaving and nobody seems to notice they haven't shown up for ages.

Maybe if one belonged to a communal sect, they might be missed - that's kinda like running away from home so one should thoughtfully leave a note. That way, they know to call off the search party.

Seriously, who wants people who don't want to be there?
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xylance
xylance: The handmaid's tale was based on the Islamic revolution of Iran.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Margaret Atwood got two literary prizes for that - Governor General's Award and the Arthur C. Clark for fiction. The sequel to Handmaid's Tale (The Testaments) won her the Booker Prize.

Seems like Iranians need a few more revolutions before THEY win anything.
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Groovius Maximus
Groovius Maximus: I read earlier today that the two real world influences on The Handmaid’s Tale were—

The decades-long Romanian dictatorship of Nicolae Ceausescu, who banned birth control and abortion to elevate Romania’s population.

And—

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints’ (Mormons) penchant for polygamy.

These were her models. No mention whatever of Iran, Muslims, or Islamic societies.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Even without polygamy, Mormons believe in having very large families, also in keeping the mother off the workforce. There's no air of that from Muslims.
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Just_a_Dude
Just_a_Dude: Islam is something and Muslims is something. We should not Glue them together because Muslims are not perfect while islam is.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: How can Islam be perfect, seeing as it stems from a load of cobbled-together verses in a confusing book?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: It was perfect in its delivery for its time. The more often you read the Book, the less confusing it gets. Read a copy that has cultural footnotes - you'll want to know what the pagan society was like back then so you can get the gist of what's going on. It's not a history book.

I wouldn't describe twenty years in the making as something "cobbled together".

The New Testament isn't confusing because it was delivered in a monotheistic setting within a huge, monument-building empire that kept meticulous historical records. It contains more biographies than religious instructions because those ancients were more people-oriented than mystically oriented. The people understood what to do, not how to do it.

So, Ghost, you'll have to push your brain and heart into working a bit harder to appreciate the Quran.
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Groovius Maximus
Groovius Maximus: It seems to me the claim of Islam's--or any religion's--perfection, which is ill-advised to claim about anything man-made, is a declaration of faith. The anticipated retort is, Islam is not made of man but of God, which is another faith claim. That is to say, only those of the Islamic faith would believe the claim. To see it's a faith claim rather than a claim of fact, we need only look to what non-Muslims would say about it. I think they would dispute the assertions of Islamic perfection. Predictably, most of those who disagree have faith claims of their own, which those not of their religion would likewise find contentious.

Conclusion? It is unwise to make such claims in the first place.
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Just_a_Dude
Just_a_Dude: The arabic language , very strong based language is derived from the holy Quran.
Youtube Quranic miracle and you should see heaps of videos about them.
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: Did I hear some one Ask What Happens if you want to Leave ISLAM , Mabye we shoud ask those who Knows
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: Why In the Hell do our Gevernments Pump so Much Money and weapons into Saudi Arabia they Must Be Insane And they reckon Iran is the Big threat
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Perfect in its delivery? It was written down on bits of bark and stones and Muhammad even revoked some of the verses.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Groovius: "That is to say, only those of the Islamic faith would believe the claim"

Not necessarily. It's not the religion one believes in, it's the One Who delivered the Revelation. You see, the Revelation doesn't change, the religion does. That makes it possible to accept the Revelator as true yet skip the religion and move on to the next.

One's belief is in the Revelator but one's faith is in God. One trusts God not to steer them wrong. This is why, when people receive their calling, God sends each in different directions. He doesn't lie, He places them where HE thinks they should be. That's how it works.

Those in religion are obviously focussed on defending it. They will reason: God is absolute perfection; His Revelation can't be anything other than that. This is not faith-based - it's logically true.

Those who deny a Revelator aren't ready for the next degree of faith. God doesn't permit them to skip any spiritual lessons in the Revelation they espouse. Thus they remain, hopefully, still learning. Logically, it takes a perfected eye to recognize perfection; likewise, it takes perfected faith to embrace it.

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Zanjan
Zanjan: Ghost, not sure what you mean by "revoked some of the verses."

Muhammad dictated to scribes, primarily His first wife, then to trusted others. He had the dictation read back to Him for verification before it was official. It's not the speaker at fault but the scribe, who may have misheard or misrecorded - Revelation flows at high speed.
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