Religion (Page 10)

Zanjan
Zanjan: They all share the same roots and history, we all came from the same single set of parents. From Adam to Noah, those religions have passed into antiquity but their names remain as a shared heritage in recorded history.

So, the religions of God remaining since the time of Noah were founded by Krishna, Abraham, Moses, Zoroaster, Buddha, Christ, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

Denominations aren't counted as separate religions. Baha'is must read and study all the world's scriptures.
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Nicotina
Nicotina: Thanks Zanjan. It is important to teach about religion, it leads to more understanding and more compassion so matter what the individual believes.
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Cenababy
Cenababy: Slavery in bible is NOT what people blather on about fyi. I guess some can't discern as Jesus said not all will inderstand. Point if thinking in human mind you wont, understanding God isn't hard but you have to use your spirit to understand, if not, just words on a page. Here is the divide
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Nicotina
Nicotina: Pretty sure there are specific references to slavery in the bible.
Not going to argue about is as there is no point and people can read for themselves.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: What has passed is past, is archaic. There's certain things we'll never return to, ever.

What people blather on about is homosexuality, since transgendered folks didn't exist until the late 20th century.

Two things people ignore in the Bible is divorce and war.....they hope, by not mentioning these, nobody will remember to call them to account for not paying attention.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: We'll never comprehend God, not ever - He's far, far beyond any description or grasp by any human mind.

What God gives us is Divine Representatives, Who's powers, wisdom, majesty and virtues we can relate to and love because these are qualities God created and manifested perfectly in Them. When we understand these traits as modeled, we can acquire acquire some of them too, albeit, not altogether perfectly.
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Nicotina
Nicotina: If god is beyond human comprehension then it would be really refreshing to hear religious people say that they do not know. Sadly slavery is alive and thriving so to claim that biblical teachings of how to treat a slave are not relevant is misinformed at best.
As an FYI, you may find it of interest to read about Chevalier d’Eon who born in 1728 and was transgender.
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Cenababy
Cenababy: I guess people didn't understand what I said lol oh well
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sisiblackdog
sisiblackdog: this is not relegion it is sophistry
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Nicotina: "it would be really refreshing to hear religious people say that they do not know"

There are lots of things we don't know, but we know what virtues are. As I said, we can only know God through *some* of His attributes - the same with which He has endowed in Man. For example, God's love is *unconditional* love - we're quite capable of learning it, if we wish. Once learned, it is known and understood - only then can it be applied.

Slavery is globally illegal and suppressed. Therefore, it's not alive and thriving - it's underground and in hiding, undertaken only by small groups of serious criminals.

"Chevalier d’Eon who born in 1728 and was transgender. "

A cross-dresser is not transgendered, even in public. One doesn't change gender just by putting on different clothing. In the 18th century, they didn't even know what germs were, much less hormones.

Perhaps you're thinking of hermaphrodites - a birth defect where the child is born with two different sets of genitalia.......about 1 in every 2,000 births. These have always been named and dressed according to their dominant physical appearance so as not to deceive anyone.
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Cenababy
Cenababy: Hermaphrodite is also chosen by dna, chromosomal and gene strength, it is not merely physical. You are what your dna says you are.
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Cenababy
Cenababy: Homosexuality is completely different. That is your brain. You are what your dna says you are period. If you are born a male, you're male and vice versa.
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Nicotina
Nicotina:
Transgender - Denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex. (Oxford English Dictionary)



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Zanjan
Zanjan: Cena, Hermaphroditus is a genetic defect, caused by a recessive gene. Both parents have to be carriers. For this reason, hermaphrodites choose not to bear children since the gene will be passed to offspring.

Your dna doesn't define you as a person - one has a brain and personality; together, the individual controls his own behaviour. Behaviours are predicated on environment - training, discipline, and education which develop the soul. Meanwhile, personal will decides whether or not to employ said societal gifts.

In short, you are what you decide to be...at any moment in your life.
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Nicotina
Nicotina: Physical things in our body can cause changes in behaviour. I remember when my dad had cancer and the specialists were explaining to us how the cancer cells physically caused depression. It was fascinating and terrifying at the same time.
We know so little about how the human body functions.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Nicotina...........dictionaries are not the test of truth. They reflect common, usually modern usage of language. You might want to use an Oxford dictionary that's 100 years old and see the difference.

Anyone can put on an act to illicit certain reactions in others. Insofar as religion goes, comporting oneself as the opposite gender is an act of deception; but, engaging in sexual acts of any kind outside of legal marriage is absolutely forbidden.
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Nicotina
Nicotina: Zanjan, if you are using words then we need to agree on a specific definition at that time. That definition can be found in a dictionary, hence my post. Of course words change over time as all language is fluid.
As for "putting on an act" I have no idea what you are talking about. A person's sexuality and/or sexual identity has zero impact on my life. It also does not determine a persons virtue.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Nicotina, its hard to be joyful when one is very sick with any disorder, especially when under traumatic stress, or in a lot of physical pain or grief. Even brain disorders, such as dementia, have limitations.

At best, one can isolate small moments of happiness, humour, gratitude and pleasure.

Yet, never, at any time, can we use any sickness, shock or pain as an excuse to treat others gruffly or with disrespect. That's simply not acceptable.

As for sexual orientation; we know what's abnormal. It's one thing to appear abnormal but quite another to behave abnormally. Those who choose the latter will bear the consequences.
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Nicotina
Nicotina: How did you even get there zanjan? I was talking about biological causes of changes in personality.
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iowagent1956
iowagent1956: I completely agree with your last statement,Zanjan. There is never an excuse to treat others badly. I'm not so sure about your first statement. Of course I can't speak for everyone, but I have found many bright hours of happiness, humor (which I have an excess), gratitude and pleasure. But then, that's what makes life worth living!
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Personality, one is born with - it remains for life, no matter what - it's the ID, the ego.

Character, on the other hand, is acquired. No biological situation can change character once its established.

A biological problem will upset body chemistry; it can certainly change one's former physical appearance and former ability to function.
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Nicotina
Nicotina: It really isn't that difficult to understand that some biological conditions and illnesses cause a change in behaviour. The change is sometimes due to the actual disease and not a case of someone wanting attention.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: What do you mean by a "change in behaviour"? That they can no longer enunciate words properly, cook, walk the dog??

The behaviours we're discussing are about social conduct. Once written and re-written, one doesn't depart from it.

For example, a Dementia patient may or may not strip naked and run down the public hallways..........they may or may not fight or punch a caregiver in the face. This has nothing to do with physiological change.

The difference is one Dementia patient has always been genuinely modest and so loving, they'd never attack anyone under any condition. Not even the most debilitating brain disease would cause them to depart from that. The other patient has done bad or desires to do so and would repeat, given an excuse........it's all a matter of removing inhibitions.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Many people wear masks, both the religious and non-religious - the day always arrives when those masks come off, and it doesn't take much for that to happen. Surely, as soon as the triggering event passes, they put those masks back on!

Test of character determines who's been pretending and who's genuine. That's how the chaff is sifted from the wheat.
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tularcitas
tularcitas: Nature vs. nurture.....seeking balance!
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