The is NO free will. we are prods of out envio. (Page 2)

MattyD89: yes, you have explored options based on your enviorment and made a decision based on your experiances within your enviorment. your decision was made directly by your enviorment.

MattyD89: i understand you are making chhoices, but those choices are based on experiances from your enviorment 100% nothing more and nothing less.

Icy_Uranus: Your saying "made a decision" implies free will.

MattyD89: it may imply, but its not free will.

you may make decisions but there is not discussion as where that decision came from. before you make a decision you think about the outcomes of that decision by going through past enviormental experiances you have either first hand experianced, or heard of.

You cannot choose something your have never heard of.

if you get up in the morning and think what am i going to do today? you'd have about 20 things you could think of, your neighbor might have 100, why is this? because you both have experianced comlpetly different things in life and like completly different things due to that fact.

you choose what to do but its your enviorment that produces the queston of what to choose i nthe first place, and your enviomrent influences you so greatly thats whats ultimatly making the decision.

i egt how i can sound contradictive at times but its jsut cause yes U make the decision, but the enviroment controlls that decision within you

Icy_Uranus: If you had no free will, you would not be able to make decisions. You would not have choices. You would not consider your options. You would be on a set path that has already been determined for you.

MattyD89: looking from the outside thats exactly what every person does. your eternal thought does not matter, its what happens

BeautifulRejection: That's B*S and you know it... Our environment doesn't make our choices for us. It doesn't tell you to rob a bank or shoot that lonely old women on the bench in the park. By blaming it on the environment we are giving many terrorist and murderers and excuse to do what they did.

BeautifulRejection: I am honestly questioning if you aren't one yourself. Every topic I have ever seen you post in has been against the truth and the reality that so many others see. Your views on life are disgusting and tainted. Why make excuses for others actions.

MattyD89: f&*w you they do have excuses. to you, they may seem fz~zwx up in the head, but to them its how thier enviorment made them.

trust me, im as chill as they come. i just feel no one is really to blame for thier actions.

at the same time i understand we cannot elt people just do what ever they want.


in my opinion do whatever you want a slong as you are not negativley affecting another living beng.


i dont see how u dont understand where terrorist are comming from but you think its okay for the us or canada to go into afganastan and kill hundreds of thousands. or into iraq lieing to thier people, or viet nam.


any loss of life is fw#~x@ no matter where its comming from. you think you can justify it in some ways, but they cannot? how unfair is that.


i get to us some other human behaviour is f@zw~&, but to others its who they are ebcause of where they were born. you do not chooose to become phycopath, or a doctor, or a astronout.


im not jsut giving people what u think is wrong a way out, im alwaso saying sucessful people are just lucky.

there ar ethe lucky, and the unlucky


some get hit by busses, some get born into shit ass situations, some get born rich but commit suicide, and some get born poor and love life, some get born rich n love life, some die at the age of 6 from cancer, some live happily to 100


all these sitations are just luck and misfortune, no one controlls any of it. our enviorment does.

MattyD89: you 100% are who you are ebcause of the enviorment you have been placed in, as is everyone else

BeautifulRejection: Your an idiot.

MattyD89: dont think for a second you were born with this beutifull soul inside you, as all other "right" human beings. and you, and other "normal" huans live decent, proper, respectfull lives and anyone else is a bad, mean, auwfull, horrible person that should be condemnded into hell for ternity. shit thats auwfull. youre no better then them. thats a horrible thigns ot wish upon anyone, i wouldnt wish it on you, or them.

MattyD89: and you is ignorant to your surroundings.


who you think you arE?

MattyD89: we all b equal, irnorant, stupid, mean, nice or not

BeautifulRejection: You know what your right. Im sorry, you have been right this whole time. It was the environment that made you completely stupid.

For the record I never once said I was better than anyone.

MattyD89: if your looking down upoon someone and think they are doing something wrong and should be blmed because ther eis somethig wrong with them, it makes it sound like u think ur better then them

Icy_Uranus: Beautiful you make an excellent point by saying "By blaming it on the environment we are giving many terrorist and murderers and excuse to do what they did."

According to Matty's philosophy he would cease throwing these people in jail and just let them terrorise, murder and rape as they feel fit. Nobody would ever have to take responsibility for anything.

Matty I suppose you would have no hard feelings or look down upon someone who murdered a member of your family. Remember, the environment made them do it, they really had no choice. According to you, they never had free will to decide not to murder your family member.

XFixYourBrainX: Freedom is a word that man created to make himself feel better, well atleast the part of man creating freedom is true.

Runoff: What ever happened to I think there for i am (not?)

XFixYourBrainX: I think therefore I am!

Icy_Uranus: Pokerman "Freedom is a word that man created to make himself feel better"

So does that mean you think man has no freedom of choice?

Riddler_This: I think we are products of our environment but only to a certain degree. Everyone is an example of being a product of their environment but everyone also show's examples of their own thought processes and decisions that have little to do with the environment they grew up in.

XFixYourBrainX: It means exactly what I said, Man created the word freedom, that does not mean man doesnt have freedom in choice, he only thinks he does.

Icy_Uranus: Pokerman "that does not mean man doesnt have freedom in choice, he only thinks he does."

So I'm guessing you mean that by man only thinking he has freedom of choice, that he really doesn't have a choice at all. The choices are already made for him, and to make himself feel better, man deludes himself into thinking he is actually making the choice.

So to relate this back to your "What makes someone think God is not real?" thread, man actually has no choice in whether they believe in God or not. This choice is already made for him. Who by? God?

So God is making people not believe in him? If you know this to be true why complain about people not believing in him, since the had no choice and God wanted them not to believe.

XFixYourBrainX: If you believe in what you said thats all good for you, but it doesnt relate to what im saying.