The is NO free will. we are prods of out envio. (Page 4)

Icy_Uranus
Icy_Uranus: MattyD

>>> "there is no good of bad, no right or wrong, no good or evil in this world, there just is."

Sorry, mate but thats wrong. Are you saying child molesters and child murderers aren't evil f@#ks? Are you saying what they did wasn't wrong? Are you saying we should excuse these sick actions because of their "environment"?

>>> "we are ALL equal no matter of any action"

I believe we are all created equal, but if some sick c#@t goes and preys on children he then becomes the lowest piece of shit on earth, in my opinion. I have no tolerance for these monsters. They are not equal to anyone. I will not excuse their actions because of their environment. And anyone who supports these f@#ks are just as bad.
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MattyD89
MattyD89: see, your just ignorant to your enviorment thinking that way.

a child molester is a child molester because of his enviorment.

if you were born, and at birth put into his EXACT situation and treated the exact same way and expericnaed the exact same things you would be a child molestor.


i do not think what they do is "right". but i do not blame them. with that said of course we cannot let people do whatever they want but when ppl get fw~&zx up because of thier enviorment (not because of thier own will) then it is not their fault and they should be treated like a patient in a hospital, not sentenced to jail and considered a "bad" persons whos a peice of shit because they did something you do not agree with.
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MattyD89
MattyD89: see you dont even know what your talking about. udnerstanding why a perosn is the way they are, is not accepting what someone does.

me accepting someone for who they are makes me a bad person? do you know what horrible things the united states military has done to tother coutires and thier people? to those people the us are horrible, peice of shit monstors. have u heard of agent orange? the rapes and pillages in afganastan, iraq, and viet nam? even the HORRIBLE things the russians did to the german civilians when invading berlin?

my grandpa was there, and told me the worst shit he saw in the war was how his own people (americans) and the russians just fxwxyx up every day german civilians who had nothing to do with it.

to you these men are "heros", to the german civilians they were "monstors".

your enviroment 100% controlls how you think and who you are so uu blaming someone for somehting is u being ignorant to the enviorment and its controll it has
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Icy_Uranus
Icy_Uranus: Not all people who have been molested become child molesters themselves. So these victims who are in this environment didn't become one of these sickos.

>>> "if you were born, and at birth put into his EXACT situation and treated the exact same way and expericnaed the exact same things you would be a child molestor."

Do you know this for certain? I'm not this same person, I am a different person, with different personality, so you can't say I would turn out exactly the same way. I would like to see your evidence on this.

>>> "ppl get f*&$w# up because of thier enviorment"

I agree people can be afffected by their environment when growing up. But when it comes to the time of preying on children they have a choice. They are not robots who act on a set program. They have a choice to not commit the crime and seek help, or committing the crime.

>>> "not sentenced to jail and considered a "bad" persons whos a peice of shit because they did something you do not agree with."

Sentenced to jail is too lenient for pedos.

>>> "blaming someone for somehting is u being ignorant to the enviorment and its controll it has"

Blaming the environment is just a cop out. An excuse for people's actions. This is just being ignorant of responsibility.
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MattyD89
MattyD89: you have no clue what youre talking about i am sorry to say. i cannot reason with someone who has a mind set that cannot be changed even when nothing short of logic is thrown in thier face.

You think because of who you are you have the right to cause hard to another individual. this makes you NO BETTER then the child molestor.

The child molester thinks he has the right to cause harm to a child. he beleives his "needs" are more important then the "rights" on that child.

you think you have the right to cause harm to the child molestor. you think your "rights" are more important then his.

yes child molestation is afucked up, and people should not be allowed to do it. but saying it is the individuals fault and they shuold be punished 100% is ludacris.

in some countries what yuo do every day in considered a crim punishable by death. does that seem fair to you?

in some countries you can smoke weed legally, in some if youre caught with it they kill you.

whatgood, whats bad, whats right, whats wrong totally depends on your enviomrent and where you are.

there are some cultures wherw woman are married right when they have thier period to old men, is thatchild molestation and are they all sick fy*^@ who deserve to die?

if you were born in londan england would you not be english with english values, customs, and ideals???
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MattyD89
MattyD89: like ilove to smoke weed n plan to my whole lfie, but if i had lvied i nchina msot my life, i would never ever smoke it.

i love to drit bike, if i didnt live wher ei could dirt bike iwouldnt even know of it.

i lvoe the moutitans, if i dint lvie near them theywouldnt consume my mind enarly as much.

our dreams, our ambitions, our goals, our desires, our wants, our needs, our loves, our hates, our happines, our sadness is ALL CAUSED 00% BY OUR ENVIORMENT
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Icy_Uranus
Icy_Uranus: >>> "you have no clue what youre talking about i am sorry to say. i cannot reason with someone who has a mind set that cannot be changed even when nothing short of logic is thrown in thier face"

I can say the same to you. Lets explore your logic.

>>> "You think because of who you are you have the right to cause hard to another individual. this makes you NO BETTER then the child molestor."

I never said I had the right to cause harm to anyone. I said jail is too lenient. 3 years jail for causing life time of trauma and the loss of innocence, thats hardly fair. You might think 3 years is too harsh, I don't.

>>> "you think you have the right to cause harm to the child molestor. you think your "rights" are more important then his."

Again its not about me causing harm to anyone. I'm not judge, jury and executioner. Its not about my rights, its about the rights of the child, the victim. You're forgetting about them and putting the molestor first. Which is more important to you?

>>> "yes child molestation is afucked up, and people should not be allowed to do it. but saying it is the individuals fault and they shuold be punished 100% is ludacris."

What should we do? Give them a hug and say "nice job child molesting there"? Buy them a beer and say "your environment just caused you to molest another child! Congratulations!"? This is the logic you throw in my face?

I challenge you to take this logic of yours to one of the clubs against child molesting here on Wire.

>>> "if you were born in londan england would you not be english with english values, customs, and ideals??"

This doesn't mean an English person accepts and believes in all english values, customs, and ideals. I'm Australian where drinking is major part of the culture but I don't drink. I was raised with drinking being a part of life, but I don't drink. My environment is surrounded by those who drink, and I don't drink. I choose not to. I could give in to peer pressure but I choose not to. By everything you say about environment I should be a drinker but I'm not. I choose not to.

By the simple act of making a decision you are exercising free will.
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Icy_Uranus: >>> "i love to drit bike, if i didnt live wher ei could dirt bike iwouldnt even know of it."

My nephew lives in town. Has his whole life. He loves motorbikes and loves the idea of going dirt biking. He's never had a dirtbike.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: "MattyD89
VIP Member Lvl. 5 Fog OF War you're a dumbo, no offense. "

How is this not intended to offend???




"I udnerstand why you say war is a "nesesaty", and at time yes, 100% it is, but it is not justified."

Necessity is justification. If it is necesary, then it must occur; and therefore it is justified.

Are you truly so naive as to say that we were NOT justified in warring against Hitler?



"As you say, someone getting in a airliner and blowing up a bulding is horrible and that person should be punished or whatever, well, then why is it okay for you to get in a bomber and bomb thier city full of innocent people? "


Because you have absolutely no comprehension of how war is fought. It is illegal to bomb cities full of innocent people. This constitutes a war crime in the Geneva Conventions. I do not get into bombers; I am Army, more specifically Infantry. I do not even get into tanks. I point an assault rifle at the head of a man who has knowingfully blown up a school full of children.....is it not justified in it's own right to pull the trigger and stop him blowing up 300 children?

If you were to sit back and let someone blow up a school full of kids; then you are as guilty as he; not I for stopping him.




"And no matter what the fz~% you think, you're 100% a prod of your envio. You would not be who you are in any shape or form if you were born somewhere else, in a different enviorment, or even just moved somwehre else when you were younger or something."


Then explain My natural attraction to the mountains and oceans? I was born in the prairies.



"You don't know what you havn't heard, heard of, seen, or felt. there is no such thing is a 100% unique idea."

...apparently not from you.




"you say you choose to leave your enviorment? well actually, your enviorment allowed your body, and mind to be able to make that "decision". ultimatly, your decision was choosen by your enviorment."

This is absolute insanity. If your environment is not able to contain you; then you are FREE to remain or leave; ultimately affecting your environmental surroundings.

Your philosophy on free will is 100% contradictory to the principles of Zen. Are you implying that Zen is a lie?



"there is no good of bad, no right or wrong, no good or evil in this world, there just is."

So the holocaust was not evil????





"or is it evil when a young boy has been taught his entire life that ilsam and allah are the right way and if you do not fight yo uwill not be accepted by allah in the gates of heaven and will be sentenced to enternity in hell so he kills some non ilsmaics???"


You know nothing of Islam.



"or is it considered evil when someone gives u a paper cut and you chop thier limbs off, limb by limb? - (metaphor - 911 - afganastan - iraq)"

How old were you in 2001? Can you even remember the image you saw on the television; or where you were, and what you were doing? I remember it well....

You know less about our mission in Afghanistan than you do of Islam. But I guess it's not your fault that you chose not to get an education.




"you are ignorant to your surroundings. you only look at what you want to, and you only see what you want to see.

there is a lot out there. A LOT. within nature, within space, within humans, within behaviour, within everything"


I am not the one who is ignorant to My surroundings Matty....you have no comprehension of the world you live in.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: "i know for a fact i dont know even 1% of anything.

but there r a few things i am certian of.

1 - no god (or at least no KNOWING "creator""


And you can prove ALL religions wrong then?



"2 - we are prods of our enviorment"


Then why am I not the same as those who grew up in the same conditions as Myself?

We are affected by our environment; but this is not the same as being a product of it. I chose to change My surroundings; My surroundings did not choose to change Me. Your environment is a product of you.



"3 - time does no exist (it is only a way to communicate umongst humans)"


You clearly failed science class.




"4 - no one is to blame for any action because no one control themselves"

And when your mother is raped and murdered will you testify to this in a court of law?



"4 - no one is to blame for any action because no one control themselves
( that said of course we cant just let people do whatever they want. in my opinion, as long as you are not negativly affecting another LIVING LIFE FORM, thn be my geust.)"

This contradicts itself entirely.
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FogofWar: ""is beneth us".

youre a total f&~z head and dont know shit about shit. no one is beneth you, you f@#@$* c%&% suckin aw@~%@#. "


Very mature. Yes; anyone who is willing to murder children is beneath Me!


"we are ALL equal no matter of any action."

Then why can I run farther and faster than you? Why am I not as strong a guitarist as Yngwie Malmsteen? Why am I not the hockeyplayer that Sidney Crosby is? Why do we all have different IQs?



"you think youre okay to go kill then im the name of God and your country but if they try and do what they think is right they are beneth you???? "

I do not believe in God; how can I kill in his name?

To take a life that will take more lives; is to give life to those that would have otherwise died. It is not the same to kill a man committing genocide, than to be the man committing genocide. Are you saying that Winston Churchill was the same as Hitler?



"your a f@*x#~x pecie of shit idont even give a fw@& what you have to say you ignorant a%^*^x~."

And right now you are putting Me beneath you. You contradict yourself on everything you state. How can anyone take you seriously; when you do not even truly believe what you say, or know what you say for that matter?




"i like life, i love nature, but people like you, who think they are better then other deserve to shut the fxw~ up because its people like you who think it is okay to do f#&%~y up things on this planet that hurt other human beings."


F^$x~& up things like stop genocide hey?



"a "sin" greated with a "sin" is not any better then a "sin"."

But giving children a chance to live instead of be killed is not a sin.
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FogofWar: "you jusify killing and death in the same way they do."

You're an idiot!


"they feel the way you do about them about you."

Actually, they feel that I am evil because I am not Islamic, and am stopping them from killing those who are not Islamic.

I think they are evil because they are killing in the name of Islam.

Islamic people think they are evil because they are killing in the name of Islam.



"actually, i got more respect for them then you, they are willing to take thier life in what they beleive in.can that be said for you? you mgiht have RISKED you life, but are you willing to loose it in the same wya they are? i highly doubt it..."


Matty, have you ever stood infront of a man who is armed to protect another person? Until you stand infront of a bullet; do not talk to Me about willing to die for what you believe in.

They are willing to kill others for what they believe in. I am willing to kill others; so that many; many more may live; and so that others like you can live in pure ignorance of the world around them; and not have to kill others.




"if u put a gun to one of these islamic "extremist" and asked the same about his religoun he would gladly take the bullet for what he beleives in. "

Yet when the gun is pointed at their head; many curl up in the fetal position and plead for their life.

You say you respect them for what they stand for; yet you do not even know what it is that they stand for.

These people are not willing to die in the name of Islam; unless they know that they will take multiple "infadels" with them. When you threaten to kill them on their own; they coward and cry. They are terrified of dying without killing others...this is not dying for what you believe in; this is believing that the only way to get to heaven is genocide.
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FogofWar: "I believe we are all created equal, but if some sick c#@t goes and preys on children he then becomes the lowest piece of shit on earth, in my opinion. I have no tolerance for these monsters. They are not equal to anyone. "


Icy, I truly agree. Child Molestors are beneath dogs and pigs....




"a child molester is a child molester because of his enviorment."

A child molestor is a child molester because he molests children. His environment had no doing in this.

According to your logic, it is impossible for someone growing up in an abusive and alcoholic household to not become one themselves....yet countless people have overcome their "environment" and risen above it; NOT becoming abusice alcoholics. The environment itself proves you wrong.




"if you were born, and at birth put into his EXACT situation and treated the exact same way and expericnaed the exact same things you would be a child molestor."


That is pure and utter bullshit. Scientific experiments have been undertaken to evaluate just that; and the human mind causes changes in individual behaviour. Free will causes everyone to take in their surroundings differently; and the choices we make based on our lives; are that of our own; NOT our environment. Scientists have proven you an idiot!




"i do not think what they do is "right". but i do not blame them. with that said of course we cannot let people do whatever they want but when ppl get f*y#^y up because of thier enviorment (not because of thier own will) then it is not their fault and they should be treated like a patient in a hospital, not sentenced to jail and considered a "bad" persons whos a peice of shit because they did something you do not agree with."


You are the most illogical person I have ever conversed with. The human mind is far more powerful than our environmental influence; and modern science has proven this. We are responsible for our own actions; and no one can blame their upbringing or surroundings for their actions....ultimately it was them that allowed their surroundings to influence them in that manner....the burden of responsibility falls onto the individual, not their surroundings.



"see you dont even know what your talking about. udnerstanding why a perosn is the way they are, is not accepting what someone does."

Matty, it is you that doesn't know what you are talking about.

You have stated before that we cannot understand what we have not seen; then how can you understand war; when you have never seen it; and what a soldier does; when you have never been one? You contradict yourself like I have never seen before.

You have never been to Afghanistan. You have never been to war. You have never met an Islamic extremist; so by your own logic; you cannot understand why or how they act....therefore your theory on their environment affecting them is nothing more than an assumption; and a poor one at that.




"me accepting someone for who they are makes me a bad person? do you know what horrible things the united states military has done to tother coutires and thier people?"

Do you? According to your logic, the only way that you can know this is to have partaken in it yourself. When have you committed these horrible acts as a member of the US Armed Forces? When have you ever met a member of the US Armed Forces?
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FogofWar
FogofWar: " to those people the us are horrible, peice of shit monstors. have u heard of agent orange? the rapes and pillages in afganastan, iraq, and viet nam?"


Have you been to Afghanistan? How do you know what is happening there when you haven't been there; and you even say that you cannot understand what you haven't seen?



"to you these men are "heros", to the german civilians they were "monstors"."

Ever been to Germany? Have you met these Germans and asked them for yourself what they thought of the Allied soldiers? In 1945; many German people were favouring the Allies Matty...they wanted Hitler gone and the Allies to win. Colonel Klaus von Staughenberg was one of thousands that stood up against Hitler within Germany. Seriously; go back to school.




">>> "if you were born, and at birth put into his EXACT situation and treated the exact same way and expericnaed the exact same things you would be a child molestor."

Do you know this for certain? I'm not this same person, I am a different person, with different personality, so you can't say I would turn out exactly the same way. I would like to see your evidence on this. "

I can say, for certain, Icy; that you would NOT be the same as them. I cannot say whether or not you would become a pedophile; but I can say that your moral judgement based on your individual personality would play a far greater impact than that of the environment.

This is how hypnosis works. Taking the subconscious mind, and removing it from reality. The hypnotist how has the power to control this "environmental affect" that Matty speaks of....yet if the hypnotist tries to get the person under to do something against their morale will; then the person will actually snap straight out of the induced state and no longer be in control of the hypnotist.

Thus proving, once and for all, that morale judgement is the DIRECT result of ones subconscious, and their individual personality.



"Sentenced to jail is too lenient for pedos."

I agree....time was they would insert a device known as the pear...I will spare you the details, suffice to say it sure does give them a taste of their own medicine.



"Blaming the environment is just a cop out. An excuse for people's actions. This is just being ignorant of responsibility."


EXACTLY!!!!! This is the biggest problem in our society today....people suing others for what they saw on tv....or making them eat unhealthy food....etc. etc. etc....video games making children violent...it's all an excuse to not take responsibility for one's own actions.




"you have no clue what youre talking about i am sorry to say. i cannot reason with someone who has a mind set that cannot be changed even when nothing short of logic is thrown in thier face."


What logic are you throwing in anyones' face? You are contradicting everything that you yourself say....claiming to know things that you haven't seen; after stating this as impossible....claiming that the environment makes people do things; but then saying they shouldn't be allowed to....saying that the environment would make us the same if subjected to the same situations; yet scientific experiments have proven this a farse. Even in the most basic of minds observed, this can be disproven.

Take a look in a fishtank sometime. Every single fish is subjected to an identicle environment; yet every single fish; having one of the smallest of brains among animals; still has a unique and individual personality.
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FogofWar: "You think because of who you are you have the right to cause hard to another individual. this makes you NO BETTER then the child molestor."


Yet you think we should not stop others from killing; this makes you as bad as that murderer.




"The child molester thinks he has the right to cause harm to a child. he beleives his "needs" are more important then the "rights" on that child."

So to know this you yourself must be a child molestor, according to your own logic.

What he believes is irrelevent; what he morally decides to do is another question. Hitler was not the only person that believed the world would be better off without the Jewish race; but there are many people that, while not having the moral judgement themselves; still understood it would be wrong to do it. They CHOSE NOT to commit the holocaust; Hitler did.....these two outcomes are the direct result of free will.




"you think you have the right to cause harm to the child molestor. you think your "rights" are more important then his."

They are.




"yes child molestation is afucked up, and people should not be allowed to do it. but saying it is the individuals fault and they shuold be punished 100% is ludacris."

This statement says it all itself....and you call us ludicrous?????




"in some countries you can smoke weed legally, in some if youre caught with it they kill you."

And what countries would that be Matty????



"there are some cultures wherw woman are married right when they have thier period to old men, is thatchild molestation and are they all sick fx^$* who deserve to die?"

Arranged marriages in cultures that marry women when they are young do not marry them to "old" men....Girls may be as young as 12 or 13; but they are married to men who are 18 or 20....not old. Does it make it right? Not really; that 12 or 13 year old girl doesn't have the luxury of thinking it through freely like you do...the fact that you thought of whether this is right or wrong is because you have the free will to do so; not because of an environment....if it was your environment; then you would have to be against it; as it is considered wrong and illegal in this country....so you have, yourself, just proven your whole ideology a farse.



"if you were born in londan england would you not be english with english values, customs, and ideals??? "

Then why do some people not adopt the customs and ideals of their culture???? There are some in England that do not partake in said customs and ideals....same is here in Canada.



"i lvoe the moutitans, if i dint lvie near them theywouldnt consume my mind enarly as much."


I live nowhere near the mountains; and I was born over 1000 km away from them....yet I love the mountains; and I love to ski....they have been a fascination to Me for as long as I can remember....same with the ocean....how is this Matty???




"My nephew lives in town. Has his whole life. He loves motorbikes and loves the idea of going dirt biking. He's never had a dirtbike. "

My nephew too....My brother bought him a dirtbike last year....he'd never even seen one in real life before.

I was the same as a kid...I saw the birds flying around; and always wanted to feel what it was like....Flying has been a fascination of Mine for as long as I can remember; as has boating; and water....I was born in the middle of the prairies; near the Saskatchewan/Manitoba border....there are lakes around...but not where I was...yet despite this; I have always had a fascination with water; and marine life. I've never been to a choral reef; but I love the reefs....how is this possible???
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FogofWar: Medical science has devoted much time into the study of this exact topic. The human mind is heavily influenced on it's surroundings; but the individual thought process, personality if you will, dictates that everyone takes things in differently. This causes many to take in the same situation in different ways; and as a result; form a different opinion on it. There is no arguing that one's surroundings plays a pivitol role in their upbringing.

To what extent that influence is responsible for their actions/thoughts/motives, etc. however, is another story; and there is still some rooom for debate; but current research can validate that a sane person's surroundings will not mandate their train of thought. If one is 100% influenced by their surroundings; then they are incapable of processing information on their own; and this is a sign of mental deficiency; or retardation if you will. This is an illness that affects the brain; and although the environment has caused them to be the way they are; ultimately, the reasonings for this is a mental illness, that in most cases is treatable to some degree.
This is the question that courts have been seeking for years; as it plays a pivitol role in the sentencing of individuals. There is no doubt that a sane person is 100% responsible for their own actions; not the environment.

If a person has a need to satisfy their own desires; be it molesting a child, killing for pleasure; or any other violent or abusive act; and percieves this need to be of a higher importance than the rights of their victims; then this person is by medical definition, a psychopath. Psychopathy can be regulated to a degree; and again; is an illness that affects the brain; thus this person is not sane. The actions of this person are still their own responsibility; and it is actually due to a medical disease; and NOT the environment.
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MattyD89
MattyD89: man everything i said you took out of context.

I never ocne said we should let people kill eachother and not stop it. i just said you cannot blame someone who wants to do something Fzx^yx UP.

KILLING ANYONE FOR ANY REASON IS F*@z*~ UP. DEATH IS F#*^~* UP. KILLING PEOPE IS F&x%z@ UP.

YOU THINK YOU CAN JUSTIFY DOING SOMETHING F%&y~^ UP. JUST AS A CHILD MOLESTOR DOES.


YOU THINK YOU ARE BETTER THEN OTHER JUST AS A CHILD MOLESTOR DOES.

YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO EMPEDE OR OTHERS RIGHTS BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU ARE EBTTER THEN THEM BECAUSE OF THIER ACTIONS.

THIS IS THE EXACT SAME FCKING THIS AS A CHILD MOLESTOR.

ANYONE WHO THINKS THEY CAN JUSTYFY DOING SOMETHING Fzw%wx UP IS Fw$%wx UP.


even if someone fz&^~#y raped and killed my mom, my emotions would be saying torture that mother f%@~%~ untill his last breath. but mentally i know that person who did that shit is jsut a f@&~%@ up indivudual and me harmin him would not solve, or fix anything. me hurting that person wouldnt do anything for anything, all it would do is make me more of a mean person.

i dont like to see anyone or anything feel harm mentally or physically. you think you can justify it because someone does something you disagree with. you are no better then they are. youre a peice of shit.

you told me before you were in the military right? have you go to araq? afganastan? have you seen the thousands of dead bodies of innocent womn and children? is that justified by 911?

have you been to viet nam and seen the rapes and pillages of the villages? the millions of dead? the effects of agent orange? was the justified BY THE LIE THE GOVERNMENT TOLD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE (THE GULF OF TAUNKON (i dont know exactly how to spell tauncin)???

was the halocuast justified by hitlers hate for the jews?


youre a f&#&*%y idiot.

death is not justified by death

haate is not jsutified by hate

but you seem to think it is

cause youre a fy&%y%y idiot.

have fun hurting others though thinking youre doing something right just like htiler or anyhitng dumb ass retatrd mother fw*@&*!!!!!
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MattyD89
MattyD89: "If a person has a need to satisfy their own desires; be it molesting a child, killing for pleasure; or any other violent or abusive act; and percieves this need to be of a higher importance than the rights of their victims; then this person is by medical definition, a psychopath"


by your definition, you are a physco path you moron.



your feel your needs to satisfy your desire to have "justice" put upon a "child molestor" are more important then the rights on that human.


when someone does something YOU disagree with all thier rights are striken because you say so and you have the right then to do whatever you want to that person????



and just in china alone and thiland u can get the death sentance for weed u dumb shit ass mother f&y$~*^ moron.
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Icy_Uranus
Icy_Uranus: >>> "YOU THINK YOU CAN JUSTIFY DOING SOMETHING F#y^~^ UP. JUST AS A CHILD MOLESTOR DOES."

You're the one justifying child molesting.

>>> "ANYONE WHO THINKS THEY CAN JUSTYFY DOING SOMETHING Fy~@z* UP IS F*#z~% UP."

I guess you're f@#ked up then since you are justifying child molesting.

>>> "YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO EMPEDE OR OTHERS RIGHTS BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU ARE EBTTER THEN THEM BECAUSE OF THIER ACTIONS."

I do think I'm better then a child molestor. In my mind, they forfeit their rights when they violate the rights of children. You would put the rights of child molestors above the rights of children. This means you are impeding on the rights of the children to live a happy and safe childhood. Whats wrong with you?

>>> "ANYONE WHO THINKS THEY CAN JUSTYFY DOING SOMETHING Fzw*x^ UP IS F^x%~w UP."

You're whole argument is justifying do something f@#ked up. I guess you're f@#ked up.

>>> "your feel your needs to satisfy your desire to have "justice" put upon a "child molestor" are more important then the rights on that human."

Again, you put the rights of a child molestor above the rights of his victims. You're saying its alright for them to hurt children and should suffer no consequences. I guarrantee the majority of people in a community would support justice over the rights of child molestor.


>>> "when someone does something YOU disagree with all thier rights are striken because you say so and you have the right then to do whatever you want to that person????"

Most people would disagree with child molesting. Except child molestors. You're saying that child molestors have the right to do whatever they want to children and it should be accepted because we shouldn't interfere with a child molestor's rights.

You are a sick individual.
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MattyD89: another retard who ocmpletly takes what i say out of context. i never justified child molestation.

i said i think child molestation is fxy*y~ up, just as i think you killing a chid molestor is.


i think a man molesting a child is just as bad as you toruturing a child molestor.

a f@wxy# up action is a fzw~&* up action no matter what the "justification".

harm to another human is f*z~#% up no matter why it comes.

just as when the russians invaded berlin and raped the women and killed the children thinking they where hurting horrible people who have done horrible things and deserve this type of treatment. those people did not deserve such treatment.


when emotions are involed things get out of hand, and violent.

exactly why i said if someone raped my mom i would WANT to kill them. tho then it would make mt no better then them.
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FogofWar: "even if someone f^~%~w@ raped and killed my mom, my emotions would be saying torture that mother f#*#$^ untill his last breath."


And this is an emotional feeling that YOU have; not one that your environment gave you. Whether you act on this or not is irrelevent; either way you act; you have acted upon an emotional level without environmental impact. Thank you for proving My point.




"even if someone fwx*~%x raped and killed my mom, my emotions would be saying torture that mother f@#~x^ untill his last breath. but mentally i know that person who did that shit is jsut a fw@~y# up indivudual and me harmin him would not solve, or fix anything."

But Matty, did you yourself not say that you cannot know anything that you haven't experienced; and cannot imagine anything you have not seen. Unless you have witnessed your mother being raped and murdered; you cannot possibly know what you would do. You know how many people in the military "know" what they woould do if they were being shot at? You know what they really did? Nothing remotely what they said.




"i dont like to see anyone or anything feel harm mentally or physically."


And what of the thousands of schoolchildren being blown up by Taliban insurgents? Do you not want to see them harmed?



"you think you can justify it because someone does something you disagree with. you are no better then they are. youre a peice of shit."

...and what of the thousands of schoolchildren that are alive today because of the actions of our soldiers? What about their lives? Are they not worth as much as that one insurgent who was attempting to kill them?


Do you really think it wrong for the police to shoot a man who is shooting people in public?



"you told me before you were in the military right? have you go to araq? afganastan? have you seen the thousands of dead bodies of innocent womn and children? is that justified by 911?"

No, bacuase there are not thousands of bodies of dead women and children....there were; when the Taliban was in power; there aren't now. Canada is not in Iraq either idiot. If you do not know of what is going on there; then how can you know we are wrong?


"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -H.L. Mencken





On 17 March 2010; the Honourable Lawrence Cannon, Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs, released the seventh quarterly report on Canada's involvement i Afghanistan from the period of 1 October to 31 December 2009:

Mine risk education (helping people to spot and avoid IEDs) was provided to 40,000 Kandaharis, for a cumulative total of 220,000.

Literacy training was provided to 23,500 Kandaharis, and vocational training to over 4,150.

Canadian contributions helped the World Food Programme provide over 95,500 tonnes of food nationally to Afghanistan.

2 schools have been completed, for a total of 14, with 28 under construction.

197 teachers were trained, for a cumulative total of 341.

47 health care workers were trained, for a cumulative total of 731.

A second Afghan National Army kandak (battalion) reached capability milestone 1, and is fully capable of planning, executing and sustaining near-autonomous operations.

Legal training courses covered issues relating to the Afghan constitution and laws, human rights, and anti-corruption for the Afghan National Police and prosecutors and defence counsels.



...all of this happened in the 3 month period of October to December of last year....and Canada is but one of 60 nations in Afghanistan.



...there has also been a cancer treatment hospital opened since this report was released, funded by the Government of Canada.....
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FogofWar: Those bastards hey! How dare they torture those Afghans by stabbing them in the arms with vaccination needles. How dare they force healthy food down their throats....how dare they restrain their broken limbs in casts....what gives us the right to give them an education? What gives us the right to remove the roadside bombs....we never asked if they wanted us to....forcing children to play sports instead of train as Taliban....that's just cold! ...oh, and our Air Force flying overhead dropping food and medicine down...who do they think they are!
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FogofWar: "have you been to viet nam and seen the rapes and pillages of the villages? the millions of dead? the effects of agent orange? was the justified BY THE LIE THE GOVERNMENT TOLD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE (THE GULF OF TAUNKON (i dont know exactly how to spell tauncin)???"


Have you bothered to study what started Vietnam? Are you somehow implying that by the US committing horrible acts this somehow excuses the Viet Cong using 4 year old children as bombs; and forcing villagers to fight for them or die.....there's two sides to that story too buddy....Vietnam was long before you were born; even before I was born.....and it was not even remotely similar to what is going on in Iraq and Afghanistan today.



"was the halocuast justified by hitlers hate for the jews?"

No it wasn't, yet you seem to think so....seeing as according to your logic; it wasn't his fault....

Was Sir Winston Churchill just as bad as Hitler for fighting against him???



"death is not justified by death"

No it is not; but it is justified by life.




"youre a f%#z*~w idiot.

death is not justified by death

haate is not jsutified by hate

but you seem to think it is

cause youre a f^~&w@# idiot.

have fun hurting others though thinking youre doing something right just like htiler or anyhitng dumb ass retatrd mother f#x@*x!!!!! "


So how then should we have stopped Hitler; or should we just have let him do what he did, because killing him would have been wrong?


"All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke




"by your definition, you are a physco path you moron."


That is not My definition; it is the medical definition according to the study of psychology...and no; it does not make Me a psychopath. To kill men who are committing far worse crimes is not an act of a psychopath; it is the act of a braver man; who is willing to sacrifice his moral conscience; as well as his very life; so that you do not have to.



"your feel your needs to satisfy your desire to have "justice" put upon a "child molestor" are more important then the rights on that human."


When a person violates the rights of others; particularily children; just to satisfy their own disgusting desires; they no longer have rights as a human.



"when someone does something YOU disagree with all thier rights are striken because you say so and you have the right then to do whatever you want to that person????"


I do not agree with the use of drugs; but I do not think that all people that do have no rights.

You are the one who is getting irate at another for disagreeing with you. It is you that is putting your own ideals and opinions above others Matty; not anyone else.
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FogofWar: "and just in china alone and thiland u can get the death sentance for weed u dumb shit ass mother fxywx%~ moron."


Actually, Thailand warrants the right to sentence life imprisonment for possession of illegal narcotics; and the People's Supreme Court of China has ruled against the use of the death sentence, except in the most severe of cases: that being rape; murder; and/or heavily repeated offenses. The idea of China sentencing people to death for smoking weed is ludicrous. The British (I believe he was) man that was sentenced to death was more than in possession of it; he was trafficking insanely large amounts of drugs into China; and knew of the consequences.

Funny thing is; while you say that we are products of our environment; and that if you lived there; you wouldn't risk your life smoking it...yet many do. I have read stories of people travelling in China; smoking it on the bus; and in subways....seems people aren't that scared of getting shot for it.




"You are a sick individual."

I agree Icy. Matty, you seriously need to seek help. You have issues; and your constant attacks and namecalling shows a very hostile attitude towards anyone that disagrees with you. This clearly is a sign of illness!



....and if you want a world in which people are not killing people; then you need to think realistically. It is far better to kill one man responsible for killing millions than to sit back and allow those millions to be killed.



"If there's something wrong, those who have the ability to take action have the responsibility to take action." -Ben Gates


To sit back and allow innocent people to die; is to be responsible for the deaths of those innocent people. If you do not stop others from killing; then you are allowing them to kill. You are the one with blood on your hands Matty, not I.


"Whoever wishes for peace, let him prepare for war." -Vegetius
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MattyD89: Icey Uranus. In some cultures, things you do EVERYDAY would be considered justifiable to give you the death penalty. if yo lvied in china, iraq, agfanastan, even some palces in the united states, ect thigns you do on a daily bases could be considered grounds for society to think they are better then you and kill you.

it all depends on where you are as to what is right or wrong and you do not understand this at all either
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