there are NO inherent human behaviours. We LEARN to act the way we do. (Page 2)

MattyD89
MattyD89: With crying I get it. but still with smiling if everyone frowned when they were happy, babies would frown. with crying and whinnin is just one of the most basic emotions that nearly any living thigns can feel. look at a baby bear, they whine, or a baby dog. but still, i geuss its inherited. but still maybe if the enviorment was so perfect for that person or animal it would never whine or cry because it would never have the reason to. maybe the only reason one does whine or cry is because it has tried nearly evrything it can think of and the to whine or cry is just one of its attepmds at acting a certian way to get a certian thing it needs. but if for everything it needed, was there, then it would never whine or cry maybe.? and with reflexes those are not behaviours. they are mechanics to how the body works nothing to do with human behaviour.
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Mike_Greene_Jr
Mike_Greene_Jr: uhm, actually, smiling, crying, hell, human emotion are all respondant behaviours... as well as reflexes...

okaii, there are 2 types of behaviors, respondants, like those I said, plus, idk, salivating (try to read pavlov's research), to which Watson wrote his theory, saying that all human behavior was respondant (crazy dude, yes), and saying that if he was given 12 babies, he could make them the most briliant scientists or the most terrible criminals, just because he thought he could alter the environment and change things like that, no one can do that.
The other type of behavior is operant behavior, such as driving for us, or a lab rat pushing a bar to get water (yes, both operant and respondant behaviors are from all animals, we included). That theory was already written by Skinner, he took Pavlov's research on respondant behavior and added operant behavior to it, which he did a lot of extensive research on.
Bottom line is, he realized there are three things that shape our behaviors, all of them (both respondant and operant), the filogenetics of the human species (such as the oposable thumb, the way our brain developed, etc, and our specific individual genetics), the ontogenetics (the history of a person's life, what he/she went through to leanr such behaviors), and the culture we're inserted in (i.e. italian and japanese, which are completely different)
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MattyD89
MattyD89: yes but it looks like the genetics part is mainly speaking about physical attributes. such as how tall you are, your skin tone, youre shoe size, ect. as well as for animals. because we can only perform as far as our abilities will let us. and especialiy within human societies, being taller, more handsome, or being smaller, and uglier, you get treated differently which will effect that persons behaviour. BUT at the same time if that persons enviorment was changed to accomidate thier physical attributes they wouldnt be completly different. like whoever said. he could take 10 new born babies and could make them all criminals or all scientest. and i 100% belvie that. right?
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Mike_Greene_Jr
Mike_Greene_Jr: omg, no, no one can do that, no one can change the envoronment so much as to change a person to however they like it. That is impossible, because genetics will always have a part in it... if that was the case, all we had to do to sum1 w/ uhm, say adhd, or schozophrenia, or ocd, was to change their environment and they'd be "cured", but those are mainly biological disorders.... they have modifications on the brain so big that can only be fixed with medication, sometimes. Therapy helps as well, and is needed all the times, so the individual will learn how to react better on the environment he's inserted on.
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MattyD89
MattyD89: yes it is impossible. its hypothetical speaking. but its true right? look to plants. when they have exactly what they neeed for the type of plant they are, they will all grow near identical and very well, and very healthy. i know it could never hapen but it goes to show that it is ultimatly our enviroemnt that causes how we mentally grow
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Mike_Greene_Jr
Mike_Greene_Jr: no, it isnt even hypothetically possible... It is not!! Watson was wrong, behavioral theory was mechanical when he wrote that, behavioral theory grew and keeps on growing to show that what he said is not possible, it was a bad theory that isnt real, not even hypothetical.
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MattyD89
MattyD89: i still disagree. i know the situation is impossible to happen. but if it did it would show we are enviorment produces how we think. it produces our behaviour unless something geneticaly hinders your thought process which i would say is about 1-5% of the earth, and if the enviorment was better would go down to less then 1%. 10 babies could easily become 10 sciencest or 10 murders or 10 astornaughts or 10 marines EASILY. what type of enviorment you place a person in is what they will become. you take a chinese boy at birth and put him in a british family he willgrow up with british values and belifes and think like a birtish, not a chinese. even with 1000s of years of hertitage it doesnt change how someone can learn a language. they have proven u can take an american baby, and a chinese baby, tech them chinese from birth and they will borth learn just as fast.
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Mike_Greene_Jr
Mike_Greene_Jr: well, yes, that, language, culture, that's all possible, but we still have to take into consideration things like the genetics the kids parents passed out to him, for instance, what I've always been saying mental disorders, or even common illness such as diabetes, or heart conditions, which, the disease itself can change the way the person acts on the world.
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MattyD89
MattyD89: agreed. but if the enviormen was healthier and rmoe intelegent which is possible then heart dieseise and dieabtees n such would lwoer ginificanty, as would metanly ill. buuut all in all to me it seems mainly its the enviorment unless its a case with a disorded that the child was bron with
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Sporotualdesty
Sporotualdesty: Yes there is Inherent Human Gifts, They are called gifts because these are what we are born with, we loose some of them as we grow, or they get corrupted and conditions get attached. Here they are, AKA 7 Teaxchings, 7 Grandfathers: Wisdom, Love, Respect, Humility, Honesty, Bravery, Truth.
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MattyD89
MattyD89: your born with wisdom love respect? hahahahahahaha
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Sporotualdesty
Sporotualdesty: Yes, and are you calling one of Native Americans Teachings a lie? of course I was born with them and "cough" so were you. A babies love is unconditional, it offers it freely. To cherish knowledge is to know wisdom, to honor all of creation is to have Respect. If we were not born with these, I suppose we were born with the opposite LOL, and we work or gain them going from evil to good....I dont think so. The other option, we were born without any emotion/feeling and live like a Zombie. Just like every other creature the creator made, we contain DNA, its all prewired/preprogrammed just like an Ant knows what to do when it is part of a colony. It implicitly goes out to collect food, or protect the colony or protect the Queen.....
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themeek
themeek: you have unfortunate spelling. this undermines your credibility as a scientist. %$%K
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MattyD89
MattyD89: meeek im actualy a PAID writer for digital journal.com i know how to spell and correctly write i jsut dont give two shits to do so on here. i type as fast as psosible without any thought of corretion. buuuuuttt we are not born with ingernt emotions. youre a ttoal idiot if you think we are and u obvisouly cant see shit f#z@x^~ all thats going on around you you &w@&y
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Sporotualdesty
Sporotualdesty: I made my point, you have been corrupted. And I stand by my traditional teachings. "If you talk to much with little meaning you will make mistakes, therefore speak in moderation, only when necessary" Ask yourself why your so Angry, why do you resort to name calling?

May everyone be Happy
May everyone br free from misery
May no one ever be separated from their happiness
May everyone have equanimity, free from hatred and attachment.

When others out of jealousy
harm me or insult me,
May I take defeat upon myself
And offer them the victory.
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MattyD89
MattyD89: hahaha Im not angry. I just think you're dumb if you can't understand the FACT that we are 99% products of our ENVIORMENT. Do you not know that is a Chinese baby at birth was sent to London to live with a white British family, that child would grow up with British values, the religion of that family he was born into, have a British accent, and be 100% DIFFERENT then if he lived with his biological Chinese parents. You can take a Egyptian baby and an American baby at birth and teach them Russian and they will both learn it at the same rate. You can take 10 new born babies and create 10 killers, or 10 loving nature scientests. Don't be dumb. Look at your neighbor, he's a lot different then you right? Look at your mom, dad, borther siter ect, everyone is different. It's like that because everyoens enviorment is different and no one experiances things the same. We cannot even comprehend how one another thinks. We use our "minds" to think, and we know nothing about the mind. It is a mystery. Try looking into this shit rather then spitting out some "theory" you made up yourself with no relevance what-so-ever.
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Sporotualdesty
Sporotualdesty: Oh my God.....Like I said, you can have your theory and the victory. Dont be applying for any Jobs in Philosophy, Science, Physics or NASA lol They would laugh at you as they show you the way to insane asylum. Sorry had to take a small jab at you. I wont get as mean as you. lol

Not even "Once upon a Time" how are you going to explain that to those poor children that there is no time.

Did you know that Time Travel is possible...yup. But thats something you wouldnt understand, you dont even know what Time is.

Have a nice day, day=24 hrs btw, oh wait, there is no time.
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Sporotualdesty
Sporotualdesty: I still stand by my Teachings, I was born with them This I know. The Creator gave them to me, who am I to to deny them
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MattyD89
MattyD89: yup, you were orn a stupid, baby and i geus youre still that. time travel is possible? AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH but im too dumb toudnertsand it? youre realy an idiot no offesnse. if you think your born with ur abilties ur an a@%$%z$ and disregard alot of things on this planet.
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DJtheguy
DJtheguy: Humans are just animals.. if people didnt teach their kids anything they would just be wild animals. eating, sleeping, killing. Humans are also naturally violent creatures, If you dont teach a young infant that kiling and violence is bad, they will kill and hurt others.
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MattyD89
MattyD89: not at all DJ. we are amimals. but if put in the enviorment where hurting others did not do anything positive for the individual, they would not hurt others. jsut as if a jaguar is brought up in a animal sanctuary since birth around humans he will not be violents twords humans or anything else it was brought up around. we are prods of our enviorment. our brains are pretty much blank slate and can be turned into anything. aniamls only kill what they have to to survive. if they did not have to to SURVIVE they would not kill. is about survivial, not innate traits.
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DJtheguy
DJtheguy: ya i get what you say but for humans survival just isnt enough. i agree with you to a certain extent because we are conditioned from birth to be the way we are. im not saying a wild human will go on a killling spree killing everything that moves. but humans, naturally are violent creatures, even more violent than lots of differnet animals.
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Nick
Nick: 1. What about a babies ability to suck or swallow? Learned?
2. What about behaviors due to mental illness? Learned?
3. What about a pain reaction? Learned?
4. What about eating habits based on taste preference? Learned?

I agree that most of our behaviors are learned, but I do not believe that we are born 100% tabula rosa.
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MattyD89
MattyD89: 1. What about a babies ability to suck or swallow? Learned?
2. What about behaviors due to mental illness? Learned?
3. What about a pain reaction? Learned?
4. What about eating habits based on taste preference


the ability to suck or swallow our bodies give to us. we dont learn them, we just have them. metal inless is not learned, our body gived them to us (and many times do to the enviormentdisabling the producing of our body properly). pain as well is given to us through our bodies, how we react to it has nothing todo with anything. and taste preferance is 100% learned. why do people in thialnd like eating cockraoces and to us they are disgusting?

mainly everything is 100% learned behavirous. id say about 99% is elart, and 1 % is genetics, and triats, and our bodies, which still is all our enviroemnt.
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Nick
Nick: Now when you say our bodies give to us certain behaviors or reactions do you mean that these behaviors or reactions exist in a person as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute? That would apply to my first three arguments and that is the definition of inherent. There is also a strong correlation between heredity and a persons risk of having a mental illness. And as for taste, are you saying that every person in Thailand eats cockroaches? I am talking about specific taste preferences from what a person likes to eat most to what a person likes to eat least. Ignorance plays a part in food preferences as well. How would a person know whether or not he or she would like a food if they had never tried that food? I would eat a rat burger if it tasted good to me. A person can be given any kind of food, but they decide whether it tastes good or bad. People do eat food that tastes bad to stay alive.
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