Does Karma Exist? (Page 3) Rogue: I believe karma exists. Not because of what is said about it, but because of what I've experienced in my life so far. It's hard to explain to someone who hasn't lived my life, but I tend to and always have tended to look at the bigger picture and analyze my life as lived so far, and when I did that, I basically explained it with the definition of karma before I actually found out in a book what karma was. There are so many patterns to my life that are too uncanny not to be karma.  MattyD89: Dreamer... It's called coincidence... Did you know there are other people besides you where the same rules do not apply in any way shape or form? Coincidences. Say it with me now.  hewhay: yes it does ,I won't elaborate except to say ,I have elaborated many times about the subject Rogue: Coincidences only go so far. So be skeptical if you want, but you haven't lived my life and it was NOT coincidence, no matter how you look at it.  Luzarches: Coincidences have a Mathematical limit and probability. You can have 5 consecutive times 6+6 playing in dice, the most probably is that are loaded dice. Also "karma". Abby: There's even a song by Justin Timberlake... What goes around comes around. Frankly I dont think it exists. It's all in a persons head. To me Karma is a way to explain a feeling people get when they see someone who has done something wrong, and then something bad happens to them. It's justice served. Karma itself is a religious concept to explain cause and effect. Karma just means action or performance. A lot of what people talk about when in relation to Karma really has no bearing on the word itself, just their perception from what they have seen, or heard. Rogue: That's not entirely accurate. Karma isn't just a justice system of "just desserts", karma is also the theory that if you make a mistake in your life or build up too much regret, the natural order of the universe will present you with another situation with which to reconcile it, be it in the same lifetime (the fact that most people attract a certain type of person or situation numerous times, for example), or over numerous lifetimes. Many people wonder why they were born in the social order they are, and karma theorizes it's based on where you were in a previous life and what unfunished business you have. MattyD89: Dreamer... if its not coincidence then how come the same rules don't apply to everyone? Maybe it seems so strong in your life, but not in most peoples. Rogue: Either you just can't see the bigger picture and recognize the patterns, or maybe, though it's much more unlikely, you're just so well adjusted to what has happened in your life that karma finds no reason to present you with those patterns. Being as you're so skeptical, I would assume your narrow-mindedness indicates the former. Rogue: As an after note, even if you don't believe it exists, just say you don't, don't try to convince me I'm wrong. I can't speak for everyone and say it does exist without a doubt, I only said I believe it exists personally because of what I have experienced. Just as you can't say that what I've experienced doesn't exist for everyone, because even if it doesn't, I'm sure it does for a good many people, or karma wouldn't be so well known a concept. MattyD89: sorry but i disagree. it doesnt exist for you. and it dosnt exist for anyone. it might seem like it does, but it doesnt. jsut as some people think they have conversations with angels or god. or think because thier life is so good that there msut be a god. when in fact thats just dumbassedness Rogue: Well good for you. But unlike some people, I believe that people have the right to believe whatever they want, because no matter how much you b^x@z and moan, you have no way to prove that you're right and everyone else in the world is wrong, and I'm not egotistical enough to believe that I'm more knowledgeable than millions of people who have lived over thousands of years and have had infinitely more experiences than I have. Rogue: If you would like me to dumb that down, "All the religions and ideologies in the world don't exist because I say so." is never going to win your argument, and I am done arguing with you on this subject. MattyD89: well then no one can say anyhting for certian by your way of thinking. everyone can be right making any claim they want. as well, jsut ebcause humans have beleived something for a long time does not make it right in any way, and there had to be one person to tell the truth. eg, people thought the earth was flat, its not. people thought the gods contorled the weather, they dont.  Temptation_B_Tempted: I didn't read all the replies, but, to answer the original question..i think Karma exists- even outside of any religious views.. You have the scientific law; "Any reaction produces and equal and opposite reaction" Soo, in theory, if you do something good, something bad will happen-but..after that, good qwill happen, all equal forces, balancing everything out. You have the old saying: "What goes around comes around" (which is also in a song) Even, if you were to bring different beleifs into this discussion, the Bible: "What you reap is what you sow" Sooo, in conclsuoon, karma does exist. At leats, that's my philosophical opinion. =) -24 MattyD89: well your philisophical opinion is wrong. karma does not exist in any way, shape, or form. it is nothing but a mere man made IDEA that people have taken much to literally. and if you look at the true definition of karma, you would realise it has no validiity at all. you know it came from hinduism right? beleiving in karma is like being no religious but beleiveing in god. the idea of god came from religion yet youy dont beleive in the religion jsut bits and parts. absolutly absurb and stupid. you cannot take karma form hinduism as a reality but nothing else. if you beleive in karma u should he hindu. MattyD89: you can be a complete ay^xy&y, take advantag of people, and not take others into consideration and still be happy and wealthy. on the other hand you can be the nicest, most honest, most caring person in the world and be miserable and poor. the saying - "good guys finishlast." - didnt come from no where. karma is an idea, like heaven, to help people deal with life. it would suck to think the person that killed your dad is a millionaire with a hot wife right? but there are many, many, many wealthy murderes with hot wifes and awesome lives. where is karma here? Temptation_B_Tempted: hey matty!! I know you..i don't know if you remember virginkiss/24months...but that is I- reiturned once again.. Anyhow: granted- that if i believ in karma i should be hindu since it originated form hindu...but, then again, "what you reap is what you sow" *shrugs* -24 Temptation_B_Tempted: Now, now- Matty, the Scientific law explains such occurences- "every action has an equal and opposite reaction"...people who do something bad, will have an equal force of good-for a time... -24 MattyD89: heartofsilence. that "law" of science does not apply to human emotion, but to REAL forces within nature.  StuckInTheSixties: There is no objective, tangible evidence for the existence of karma. It's too bad. If there was hard proof, everyone would behave a lot better. | Philosophy Chat Room 10 People Chatting Similar Conversations |