From interactions w/numinous energy junyabee: The closer one is to the 'ground-zero' presence of that phenomena, the more the cognitively prepared person will be affected and comprehending of the phenomena. In that experience, ala 'having little to no attachments (fetishes) to the trappings of the tangible quantities and qualities along the journey, except for their prospective metaphoric, extrapolative, and intangible applications. The ENERGY from that ground-zero experience IS the tangible transference and distribution of the origin-signal along its frequency-channel stream of consciousness As the culturally, socially detached, and estranged pilgrim from the trappings of one's temporality, you are the witness/testifier/testimony of the changing dynamics which the signals of eternity symbolize to us of their transcendent nature and purpose junyabee: Re: 'In case there are wandering fellow-traveler-pilgrims who might stumble across the writing...' How cultures have oriented themselves, psychologically, in seeking the comfort and security of 'romantic love', which itself is a surrogate for the infantile maternal bonding they experienced, and that oriented pursuit in its trappings of the 'rewards' are the surrogate/substitute of their original ground-zero maternal relationship of comfort and security. That relationship's significance has more to do with the intense energy potential than the possessed or achieved status of sentiment, and that energy can be transmitted and received as signals-generic or specialized, as love/lust-than solely in that 'romantic' frequency band. Since peeps have predominantly used that frequency band-channel in mimicking aspirations, distortions, plus informal or commercial prostitution; we're out there on this fallacious paradigm tangent of pursuits, standards, and 'rewards'. In the meantime, to our adverse personal, social, and cultural consequences, what we've neglected are the faculties that autonomously do generate that level of visceral energy that takes us to those sublime dimensions of insight and enlightenment that makes the former carnally-based drives for temporal-tangible-historical, standards and rewards of security and comfort as quite unnecessarily moot. DIAMONDfire: 'unnecessarily debatable.' the signal rises and remains? i think it remains but it diminishes at times and temporal concerns creep in. i sense the signal does have a life span, do you agree? or is this just my temporality? junyabee: It's organic of cosmic time, for what others make divinities so to explain and justify themselves DIAMONDfire: 'cosmic time' sounds a new concept but is tangibly understandable. do you think this signal has always existed or is it manifest in us? DIAMONDfire: do you think eternity is time bound? if we find 'wholeness' in a spiritual sense it is possible through time. eternity = god. without time we seem to be nothing. junyabee: Abstract time is indefinite Material (chronological) time has a shelf-life.. Always on an asymptotic trajectory towards the carrot-at-the-end-of-the-stick our minds lead us in their fabricating of new possibilities an probabilities DIAMONDfire: serendipity appears to be bound to chronological time and tells us we are on the path to wherever it may be. dreams would be abstract so part of abstract time yet the contents of dreams can be prophetic or godly? i associate god with time so in respect to abstract time and dreams they appear to be symbols only. usually we think of eternity as timeless. (Edited by DIAMONDfire) junyabee: Or is serendipity a spontaneously generated trigger that is an intersecting intervention in the flow of our pedestrian, chronological time dimension? DIAMONDfire: i agree with that statement and further add in relation life implies battle. in whatever form. ? DIAMONDfire: but what else is life for? we don't live in a just world. if you take the view that peace is the objective of life are you not coming from the end back? does that view not defeat the purpose of life? junyabee: "Peace" is a hierarchical, elitist aesthetic.. Dynamic contentions provide the constant nuances of improvisation of the present for creation's existence of being creative junyabee: w/o division of contrast/comparisons the subsequent nuances for innovations/mutations/improvisations wouldn't be as pronounced DIAMONDfire: in dreams we see pictures and generally there is a thread of thought and a lot of abstractions. but why do we see pictures? if we see pictures then is there an ultimate picture? DIAMONDfire: yeah i think i agree its a mental transport. the bigger questions are philosophical. so that might suggest there really is no way of knowing for sure. but, i think its something rather than nothing still i could be wrong. junyabee: My dreams can get so graphic that I give credibility to holographic transportation to other dimensions DIAMONDfire: i think the ontological argument goes something along the lines of God must exist because we can think it and no greater. junyabee: 1am -5 GMT Coast to Coast AM @coasttocoastam · TONIGHT on #CoasttoCoastAM, @Graham__Hancock presents archaeological and DNA evidence for an advanced civilization, lost to history. Followed by psychologist Dr. Susan Plunket on #Jungian dream analysis, and multiple dimensions. More: | Philosophy Chat Room 1 Person Chatting Similar Conversations |