TO WHAT WE'VE CAST OUR FATE

junyabee: How we've learned to respond is determinative to the fate we've cast ourselves. It's more than our secular circumstances, but it's determinative of the role we could play beyond our carnal limits in parallel realities.

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DIAMONDfire: is parallel realities revealed through dreams? how do you understand a parallel reality? reality itself is not a term that can be broken i think. but if you were to break it there would be infinite realities to muse on. or is this an automaton part of life and death?

junyabee: Dreams and conscious existential choices. Dreams provide a particular option, while existential choice, as a choice option, is one of several scenario ova ready to be predicated for the particular caste of their gestation..

DIAMONDfire: i speculate there is an end. and we are not creative forces in the ultimate.

junyabee: By our presence, we are a dynamic force for whatever..

DIAMONDfire: does that which is evil operate by force? does not our presence withstand?

junyabee: In our ever-absoluteness of being ignorant we carry a relative evilness which others in their own fallibility see as such

DIAMONDfire: that sounds a little conjured. could we not replace ignorant with innocent. and fallibility with intent? or is that an injustice?

junyabee: This recent composition, I think addresses you question here and with the one in 'Numinous Interactions'- www.reddit.com/r/Irregular_Cognizance/comments/iy2iuw/point_of_cognitive_adventures/g6cjqf6/

DIAMONDfire: do you think there comes a point where choice is exhausted or perhaps fully made? or perhaps there is no such thing as choice?

junyabee: Patterns could indicate an inevitable path of concluded choices

wildrose62: Weird things to say, as if how we respond sends us in some sort of pre-determined course (fate). Mostly when people say "it was fate", all it really is is coincidence, maybe uncanny coincidence at times, but coincidence. The future really is just an unknown path - our responses/ choices can take us in many directions. Swamp - that's where choice comes in - and as to that, our choices are limited only by our imaginations - some people have more of that than others, so it is, essentially self-limited.

junyabee: Another thing Swamp and I have speculated on is the "coincidence" of the meaningful pattern formed by a set of coincidences, which signal/signify an intervening dimension that runs tangent to the temporal/secular venues but provides fortuitous serendipities.
It has made me wonder if our visceral and neural intensity/agitation is a trigger for the subsequent fortuities/"coincidences".

junyabee: Was watching On-Demand, AMC's 'Dispatches from the Otherside'
Plot is about a group of random people caught and connected together by a common scenario. The scenario is much like this thread a conundrum of arguable quality. But. it IS or does have a substance which defies rational comprehension, but open to anecdotal coincidence-the very thing the probabilistic dictates discourage us. The discouragement is because its substance requires its anonymity for its utmost impunity. Once that impunity is breached, then we mortals will discover our own equivalent qualities of indefinite powers of mutable energy forms and possibilities.

DIAMONDfire: if a tree falls in the forest does anyone hear it? or IS it heard? that was what i was getting at.

junyabee: Metaphysically, there's a karmic effect

DIAMONDfire: if we use a helicopter as a symbol of our metaphysical status. and assume there is an anchor in the metaphysical. a world. and that it is a part of life that we engage in knowingly or unknowingly is this what you mean by parallel realities? or the spiritual world? perhaps?

junyabee: Yeah.
Metaphysical is more than a propositional dilettantism for mental gymnastics,it is the Cassandra caveat warning our temporal hubris of myopic limits that consequences by the unforeseen and in-conceived indirect effects of our acts and attitude will have a moral effect due to the lack or dismissiveness of our ethical conscience..

DIAMONDfire: mental illness could be seen as a metaphysical occurrence but one that is detached or in retrograde from the correct understanding of that phenomena. which occurs in all of us. or another way of saying it the nervous system inhibits itself so as to not produce the correct amount of energy firstly through the body then to the mind. it is essentially shocked. which produces typical and predictable responses. but until the patient can surmount the difficulties encountered the release of energy will not occur and the state of illness results. the metaphysical does not change its shape it simply waits for its chance to progress. and this inevitably involves threat in the real world sense because of the nature of it. it is a thief in that sense.

junyabee: Why is it not seen as a protective 'going into a shell of dormancy' reaction, than as a pathology to the system that has become pathological to the thriving of that vitality??

DIAMONDfire: perhaps because going into a shell of dormancy is not going to win you any friends. and in analytical fashion its easier to ascribe meaning. even if it is in scientific terms. but i see the error of my ways the nervous system does not lie? the psyche does not lie. but, going into the abyss is a tragedy in its own right. that fundamentally changes things.

junyabee: As the historical trends bring revelations to the fallacies of the present paradigmatic social orders...

DIAMONDfire: fate as fault. the tragedy is not new. thats the most powerful lesson. my assertion is this present one is a bullet sent out from industrialisation. prior to that the printing of the bible. but it ain't new all of it is on repeat.

junyabee: Yeah..
Derivations off a template.. The organization of the order is the 'tell'

DIAMONDfire: before the throne of God

DIAMONDfire: human nature always wins. soldiers can go out and kill the enemy and come back and then dive into mental illness. we can do all that. but the people who live long good lives are the measured. and dying must become part of it. to be at peace dying must become part of life. it might be death that eclipses us? and even full actualisation is part of that process.