The history of slavery (Page 5) LiptonCambell: >>> 99.9% of people involve are non arabs and non muslims Gotta source? Or is that just a hunch?  lavendar_star: There has been slavery IN all societies and cultures and you still have people from all cultures in both the west and outside of the west who you could define as slaves be them forced into domestic work or forced into the sex trade.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/greeks/people/slaves.htm en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Greece en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieval_Europe (Edited by lavendar_star)  Sarcastic Dots: The amount of people trying to dissociate their history from slavery or, worse still, justify it is... Interesting. I can't help but notice that, instead of accepting faults, people are trying to deflect them. To say that the Arabic world didn't indulge in slavery or, worse still, that it was justifiable for the Arabic world to do so because other nations partook in it--especially African tribes--is the pettiest form of moral superiority to thrust on oneself. "Oh, we had slaves, but so did you; and, hey, our slave trade wasn't as bad as yours" Yeah, that's going to win you some fans. (Edited by Sarcastic Dots)  Barbara the Jew: Muslims, Jews and Christians all have participated in slavery, however the african slavery in america had nothing to do with the jewish people. look at history the europeans "masters" converted them to christians. Barbara the Jew: There is sex trade in the arab world little girls are sold as brides to adult man in both Saudi Arabia and Iran. lavendar_star: You have evidence for that Barbie, I know girls and women of all cultures are sold into the sex trade and men of cultures are recipient of that trade be it in third world countries alot of the time by Western men or even in developed countries like the states, I know in India and some African countries they have child brides but I aint heard of that there so that's why I ask. Barbara the Jew: Child-Brides in Saudi Arabia Posted on December 02, 2009 by Olivia Kotz This BBC article (Saudis "to regulate" child brides) is from about 8 months ago (I know, not incredibly up-to-date, but at least it's from 2009.) Anyways, it is about how Saudi Arabia was planning to start regulating "the marriage of young girls, amid controversy over a union between a 60-year-old man and a girl of eight." The Unaiza court allowed the marriage as long as the groom promised to not have sex with his bride until she reached puberty. Honestly, though, does/can anyone know if he kept his word? "Justice Minister Muhammad Issa said his ministry wanted to put an end to the 'arbitrary' way in which parents and guardians can marry off underage girls." However, he failed to suggest the abolition of this practice. As has been often noted, these marriages are often the result of poverty. "Saudi Arabia implements an austere form of Sunni Islam that bans free association between the sexes and gives fathers the right to wed their children to whomever they deem fit." It was the mother in this case who was fighting for her daughter. She wished the marriage be annulled, and despite the judge's attempt to persuade the child's husband to divorce his young bride, he refused. The girl was able to stay with her parents until she is "much older" so hopefully after 8 months she is still living with them. The judge also said that when she reaches puberty, she may ask for a divorce. Local reports say this marriage appears to be an example of how families in Saudi Arabia sell their daughters for money. It was noted that the girl's father may have wanted the dowry from the groom so that he could pay off his debts. Meanwhile, "earlier this year, the country's highest religious authority, the Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Shaikh, said it was not against Islamic law to marry off girls who are 15 and younger." Barbara the Jew: Child brides: Will Saudi Arabia set age limit for marriage? Saudi Arabia Justice Ministry is considering setting a minimum age for marriage. In 2009, Saudi courts refused to nullify the marriage of an 8-year old girl to a 58- year old man. By Asma Alshari, Reuters / April 18, 2012 Saudis women at a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, shopping mall in 2003. Saudi religious police patrol the malls, ensuring strict segregation of the sexes. (AP Photo/Hasan Jamali/File) .Enlarge -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16 and 50 Share on stumbleuponShare on emailJeddah, Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia is edging closer to setting a minimum age for marriage, a Justice Ministry official was quoted as saying on Wednesday, following international criticism of cases of child brides. Skip to next paragraph Related stories The five most dangerous countries for women Opinion: What this feminist and child-marriage proponents have in common In Yemen, women protest delay on child marriage ban India listens after a child bride says 'I won't.' .Ads by Google Chico's® Novelty Jackets Shop Chico's Today For Stylish Novelty Women's Jackets. www.Chicos.com Subscribe Today to the Monitor Click Here for your FREE 30 DAYS of The Christian Science Monitor Weekly Digital Edition "The ministry has adopted a clear stance on under-age marriages and the issue was raised to the regulators," Mohammed al-Babetein, head of the Justice Ministry's marriages department, was quoted as saying in the daily al-Madina newspaper. "It supports setting unified regulations to deal with such practices, which will ensure the safety of young girls," he said. Babetein said the ministry was still in discussions over what age the limit should be set at, al-Madina reported. RELATED: The five most dangerous countries for women Cases of child marriage, including brides as young as eight-years-old, have made headlines in local and international media in recent years, drawing heavy criticism against the conservative U.S. ally. In 2010, the Saudi Human Rights Commission, a government-affiliated group, hired a lawyer to help a 12-year-old divorce her 80-year-old husband. Activists at the time saw the divorce proceedings as a test case that could pave the way for introducing a minimum age for marriage. In 2009 the Justice Minister said that there were plans to regulate the marriages of young girls after a court refused to nullify the marriage of an eight-year-old girl to a man 50 years her senior. Last May the consultative Shoura Council, which advises the government on new laws, was reported in the local press as recommending the introduction of a minimum marriage age but there have been no concrete reports of further progress. Human rights organization Amnesty International said the Saudi government had been saying for several years that it planned to introduce a minimum age for marriage. "But until we see actual legislation and how it's implemented, rather than merely fine words, we will continue to have serious concerns about lack of protection for girls from early and forced marriage," said James Lynch, Amnesty's Middle East spokesman. Saudi Arabia, a patriarchal society that applies an austere version of Sunni Islam, currently has no minimum legal age for marriage and fathers are granted guardianship over their daughters, giving them control over who they can marry and when. Financial considerations have in the past prompted some Saudi families to wed young daughters to much older men in return for lavish dowries. Many Saudi clerics, including the kingdom's most senior religious figure Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdulaziz Al al-Sheikh, endorse the practice subject to some restrictions such as ensuring the girl has reached puberty. Cases of child marriage, including brides as young as eight-years-old, have made headlines in local and international media in recent years, drawing heavy criticism against the conservative U.S. ally. In 2010, the Saudi Human Rights Commission, a government-affiliated group, hired a lawyer to help a 12-year-old divorce her 80-year-old husband. Activists at the time saw the divorce proceedings as a test case that could pave the way for introducing a minimum age for marriage. In 2009 the Justice Minister said that there were plans to regulate the marriages of young girls after a court refused to nullify the marriage of an eight-year-old girl to a man 50 years her senior. Saudi Arabia is a signatory of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of a Child, which considers those under the age of 18 as children. (Editing by Angus McDowall and Angus MacSwan) lavendar_star: That's fine but I think that brings more shame to our governments in the UK and US in being best buddies with a government that legally allows that disgusting practice. GeraldTheGnome: The Examiner, heading - Iran moves to legalize marriage for girls under 10 years old. The Guardian - Why is no one protecting Saudi Arabia's child brides. Before anyone complains about this, the reported was al_Ahmed. Clearly looking at him he didn't adopt that name. micro88: Human trafficking is huge in many countries. Gawd knows I have to do MUCH research to learn how much, how many, & why. And that`s apart from the comments above. Apart from sorrowing, knowing, & commenting,,,,,what are people prepared to do for a cause that moves them? micro88: governments/countries that give away children as brides can always be attacked by ppl who are not any particular governments military. do what you feel you must do, & use whatever means u deem necessary Barbara the Jew: Not only are child brides a form of slavery, usualy married to man in their 40's, it is also considered pedophilia. Happens a lot in Saudi Arabia and Iran. Shameful really.  (Post deleted by staff ) Barbara the Jew:  your ignorant full that is not the american flag!  Slavery existed long before the jewish as a people existed. Search out ancient Egypt. sairaenterpriseinc: Read your history, you people exist from the time of Noah, ancient Egypt were not muslims or arabs those days. They were all your zion people, read about David,Jacob,Josef Moses etc. Sorry for mentioning US flag. We are united states of america and not america you ignorant. 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