Mayor Plans To Ban Coke, Pepsi, all soft drinks and sweet drinks... (Page 12)

davidk14
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Wow, we got off on a tangent here....to answer the last on-topic comment I can find on here...;

>>>I saw a show the other day where this young woman was just feeding her children who were under 5 McDonald's nearly every day so sad.

Oh come on- here we are again- do you honestly think that mother was misinformed of how healthy McDonald's was? Do you think if she understood things better, she would make a different decision?

Frankly, for me, it sounds like she was just lazy and irresponsible. Having her spend more time understanding how to cook or clean, or making advertising reminding people to eat healthy wouldn't have changed that.

>>>I also think supermarkets need to stop having so many deals on unhealthy food like fizzy drinks n pizzas and more deals on healthier food.

They have lots of sales on fruit and veggies- especially when they are in season, and thus, abundant.

The problem is people WANT fizzy drinks and pizzas. You can't "teach" people not to want enjoyable drinks or tastey foods.

>>>I cant remember it in details but it was about educating young children on healthy food choices even though not denying them unhealthy foods as well, all in moderation.

I agree completely- moderation is key. So the call for "banning" anything is ridiculous...

>>>I think your getting the wrong end of the stick from some of the contributors here about trying to control people's eating habits et, nobody is doing that

The topic is about banning pop! How is that anything but trying to control peoples eating habits?

>>>I have not stated that people must eat this and that just that we have a problem and which will affect us all like or not.

Yes, but if the basis of the law is the same(reducing healthcare costs by enforcing standardized health), then it should be equally justified that the government should be controlling peoples freetime to enforce regular fitness.

Either the basis for the law is wrong, or the concept that we should also control peoples lives is right.

>>>nobody is asking them to control it

Again, look at the title of the thread- clearly SOMEONE asked government to control it.

>>>but we do need government none the less.

Not for this. It is not the governments place to regulate what people can or cannot eat.

>>>Gosh i do get a sense of this doomsday Big Brother theme going on of some soviet style government control which is not what people are advocating.

Good intentions do not make good laws. This is a law that could and will be exploited and abused against the people. To think you should have a say in what other people eat is a flawed idea.
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: LiptonCambell there are some points you made I'd like to dispute.

"Oh come on- here we are again- do you honestly think that mother was misinformed of how healthy McDonald's was? Do you think if she understood things better, she would make a different decision?"

A child cannot properly feed himself until he/she is in his/her late teens. Parents upbring the children with their eating habits that the child will probably continue to follow for life. Whether they are good habits or bad habits are up to the parents to decide.

"The problem is people WANT fizzy drinks and pizzas. You can't "teach" people not to want enjoyable drinks or tastey foods."

Fatty foods have been proven to be addictive. Just like people have learned or relearned to get off cigarettes, narcotics, alcohol, etc. they can be taught to eat healthy. They should learn to eat healthy because they will live a more full and abundant life.

"Not for this. It is not the governments place to regulate what people can or cannot eat."

The government puts bans on drugs, suicide, stealing, murdering, speeding, drunk driving, etc. These are all harmful activities, like eating unhealthy foods. If someone eats fast food everyday they can expect to live a shorter, less active, and less happy life. People still break laws now even though they know the consequences and they will continue to break the laws in the future. The goal is not to make everyone afraid of the law. It is to reduce harmful activities. In 1200 C.E. it was common to murder and kill people. Now it is very uncommon and shunned to do the same activities today and so it can and will be in the future with our diets.

"Good intentions do not make good laws. This is a law that could and will be exploited and abused against the people. To think you should have a say in what other people eat is a flawed idea."

To say that every law that restricts someone's freedom, which in the end is actually better for the person, is bad, wrong, or "flawed" is absolute ignorance. We know that eating certain foods is bad for us. We understand LDL, HDL, the effects of a poor diet on the brain and other organs. We know the terrible side effects of being obese and even 10-20 pounds overweight. To permit everyone to "choose" a lifestyle that leads them to live an unhappier life would be more torturous than to forbid it in the first place.

If a ban on soft drinks was started then people could alternatively drink coke zero or diet pepsi. There would be the same taste, but none of the terrible side effects. This thread is about soft drinks, but even if healthier foods do cost more we can eventually get people to start eating healthier all together. If everyone eats healthier then the cost of these healthy foods would go down. It's simple economics.
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lavendar_star
lavendar_star: OK I will repeat again lol I have not once suggest things should be banned and I have not stated that government should regulate what people eat (maybe in schools as government does provide them and teach our children, so them restricting take away/ drinking vending machine and defo increase PE time and have more public spaces for children in urban areas is cool with me. ( I had chips in my school dinner so why cant the kids now). Just because I am discussing a possible solution doesn't mean I agree with the proposal of the ban as you keep on suggesting I am.

One of the links I posted it suggested that the reasoning for obesity is overeating I know genius " Can we trace obesity back to the US? In the first of the three-part series of The Men Who Made Us Fat, Jacques Peretti traces those responsible for revolutionising our eating habits. Can the decisions made in America 40 years ago influence the way we eat now? It is America who introduced high fructose corn syrup into the manufacturing of food as it was cheaper than sugar. That was in the 1970’s and it has now found its way into most processed foods and soft drinks. Not only is this type of sugar sweeter than normal sugar, it also controls appetite so you do not know when to stop. Dr Jean-Marc Schwarz from San Francisco General Hospital told Peretti that fructose corn syrup “makes your brain think you’re starving and now what you have is a vicious cycle of consumption, disease and addiction." Which explains what has happened the world over.” http://www.plus-size-tall.com/the-obesity-crisis-who-is-the-blame-21715/

Furthermore, maybe in Canada healthier food is always cheaper or supermarkets do many deals but not so much in UK not that there isnt on fruit n veg * it’s about 80p for 1 pepper in a supermarket, but deals on unhealthy food is done all year around. To not combat overeating and the obesity crisis will cause problems in society as it already is.

"To think you should have a say in what other people eat is a flawed idea." Who suggest I did but I am sure going to pay for people obesity problems in taxes i.e. healthcare and people going off sick of work and going on benefits.

Also you never know with the mother who fed her kids badly she might change her ways, some people do, to say otherwise well do you have clairvoyant powers on people's futures.

I shall repeat we had no such proposal in the UK and I would not support any banning but I would maybe support possible solution on combating the obesity crisis be it by government, health professionals, charities and society in general.

I honestly do understand where you’re coming from lipton and I kind of respect your point of view but I just can’t help feel offering solutions to deal with the problem is not a bad thing. But no worries
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: >>>A child cannot properly feed himself until he/she is in his/her late teens. Parents upbring the children with their eating habits that the child will probably continue to follow for life.

Huh? I was saying that, on the issue of "informing" people, at least for the instance of the mother feeding her children junk food, I don't think there's anymore informing to be done- more than likely, she knows what the food is,and what it could do to your body without moderation.

But she chooses to eat it anyways.

Maybe it's the convenience. Maybe its the speed. Maybe its the price. Maybe its the taste. Maybe its low-self esteem or no self-control. Maybe she's just lazy.

But one things for certain- its not because she doesn't understand what fast food is, and needs more information.


>>>Fatty foods have been proven to be addictive.

That statements misleading- perhaps because there are two kinds of addictions- physical and psychological.

Physical addictions are, for the most part, drugs- things that chemically alter your bodies chemistry to the point where your body needs more of that drug to stay stable. This is not what an addiction to fast food is.

An addiction to fast food is psychological. The differences between the two are insanely important- you can form a psychological addiction to anything- driving with loud music, video games, ect - watch "my strange addiction" for more examples.

There is no chemical in hamburgers that makes it addictive. Or pop. Or anything that you claim is "addictive"- the problem when people become addicted to fast food isn't the fast food- its the persons psychological distress.

>>>They should learn to eat healthy because they will live a more full and abundant life.

And people should bike to work, because its healthy and better for the environment.

But sometimes people do things that they shouldn't- and you know what? That's perfectly alright.

>>>If someone eats fast food everyday they can expect to live a shorter, less active, and less happy life.

Care to prove that? I sincerely doubt that everyone who eats McDonald's once a month will live a shorter life than those whom don't, or will be less active, or will be less happy.

All those are generalizations- fear mongering. A great number of people are able to eat fast food without going obese, or falling into depression.

>>>The goal is not to make everyone afraid of the law. It is to reduce harmful activities.

And where does it end? Isn't driving harmful? Isn't electricity harmful? Why are some harms deemed acceptable, while others are not?

And moreso, why do you deem it is your place, or our elected officials place, to dictate what is sufficient enough harm? Shouldn't that be up to the individual?

>>>Now it is very uncommon and shunned to do the same activities today and so it can and will be in the future with our diets.

Are you suggesting you can legislate morality?

>>>To permit everyone to "choose" a lifestyle that leads them to live an unhappier life would be more torturous than to forbid it in the first place.

Again, you are suggesting that fatty foods make fat people. That's simply not the case. You could have a country of people eating nothing but health foods, and they could still be obese. In order to reach your goal of not "permitting" people to be obese, you won't stop merely at closing every McDonald's and Wendy's.

Not if you want actual change.

>>>If everyone eats healthier then the cost of these healthy foods would go down.

Doesn't that imply that people don't WANT these foods at this point? At least not in the numbers you seem to think it oughta be?

Why not let people live their lives? I ask again and again, and I can't seem to get a straight answer from you; Why do you insist on meddling?


Thanks for the kind words star- I'm afraid I still disagree, though. It's not a matter of people being misinformed of fatty foods- its just fatty foods are easier- they have a longer shelf life, often times taste better, and can be really filling. I honestly feel that, in moderation, fatty foods are perfectly fine. It does sadden me that people are obese, but I don't think it's as simple of a problem as them being ill-informed, or their grocery stores not having deals on fruit...Alot of people have jobs that require they sit down for hours on end- alot of obese people turn to food to "heal" their depression- alot of people simply do not exercise- alot of people simply are lazy, or uninterested in a healthy lifestyle.

And nothing suggested here, be it advertising or outright bans, can solve the problem for those people. From my point of view, either you take control of peoples lives, or you spend billions to get the most miniscule of differences- because people will do whatever they want- and it shouldn't be any other way.
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: >>>If someone eats fast food everyday they can expect to live a shorter, less active, and less happy life.

"Care to prove that? I sincerely doubt that everyone who eats McDonald's once a month will live a shorter life than those whom don't, or will be less active, or will be less happy."

You misread my statement. I said "everyday." Eating fast food once a month or even once a week is not terribly bad for people's health. Yes, I can prove that eating fast food everyday is bad. In the movie Fast Food Nation a man ate fast food for every single meal for a month and his doctors told him he was becoming very unhealthy and if he continued to eat this way he would die very soon. He also gained somewhere between 20-50 pounds.

"Are you suggesting you can legislate morality?"

Yes, it is illegal to kill and illegal to steal and a million other things. It is a way of forcing people to do things that they refuse to do on their own.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: >>>Yes, it is illegal to kill and illegal to steal and a million other things. It is a way of forcing people to do things that they refuse to do on their own.

So you don't murder ONLY because it is illegal? That, if it wasnt against the law, you would be doing it?
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davidk14
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: Well I don't know why you think that I would kill someone rather than steal or commit suicide or do any other illegal act, but I think that punishment in jail or prison is keeping a lot of people from doing terrible things.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: But is the punishment alone keeping you from committing murder?

That's a crux in your argument- that the law is required to enforce morality- but the honest fact is, for the vast majority of people, we don't NEED the law to tell us right from wrong- we understand it and respect our fellowman enough to follow a code of ethics and behavior without the government involvement.

I can personally vouch that, if murder wasn't illegal, I still wouldn't do it.

A federally imposed moral code doesn't mean much to people- but your own moral code means far more- if for no other reason than you determine it for yourself.
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: I don't think they could ever enforce a law like banning soda. I just had a slurpee today and it was pretty good.
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Barbara the Jew
Barbara the Jew: I need a pepsi!
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Stassi SUR
Stassi SUR: Diet or Regular?
16 oz. or 8 oz.?
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: I guess it's pretty extreme to ban soft drinks. They aren't that harmful. I can imagine children opening up their own speakeasies on school grounds illegally selling each other chips, soda, and candy. (prohibition reference for non-USA members)
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