Another 'Asian' (muslim) organized serial rapist, pimp and pedophile is sentenced in UK (Page 2)  lavendar_star: Well that's why I used the word "they" I mean what is demographics of the area, the point is did some of these rapists just go for white girl because they were white or because they were available i.e. in their community and more vulnerable like I pointed if all the cases I heard of were just exclusively white girls then you could say that it was all racist crimes. did you watch the vid I posted from the big question some good point were made and I didn't agree with someone who was trying to make out that race had nothing to do with it. I didnt know it was a Bangladeshi guy Oh that's why you put Asian not Pakistani, interesting well they gives me slight different outlook maybe yes some of these men specifically target white girls which makes the ones who do racist, are you arguing they should get extra time for being a hate crime as well as a sex crime??? which if they could provide so then they should in my opinion, I mean what's your point??? Agricola: 'are you arguing they should get extra time for being a hate crime as well as a sex crime???' In the light of my argument, punishment is irrelevant. I just want to know if it was just cultural misunderstanding and, or maybe the idea that one culture is superior to another which lead to the lack of remorse and contempt shown towards the victims. If we could decide the factors maybe we would be in a better position to reeducate and bring a better understanding and be more sympathetic towrds cultures and communities that are not the same as ours. (Edited by Agricola) lavendar_star: OK well I understand you, I think I wrong misunderstood your intentions sorry, well you could have a point I dont think it was cultural misunderstanding as these men were mainly British born so they have had a British education and socialisation. So maybe your second conclusion has more truth with it, as well as their own community expectations for them to marry some virginal n subversive girls from their community. When maybe in truth they rather thrown away the cultural baggage and be a part of normal British society like other men. I am obviously not excusing them, I think there needs to defo be some re-education and specific targeting of these men and more community leaders to work with young men and influence them positively. Even though I think regardless there will always be men who target vulnerable young women to make them feel better n empowered. I think more also need to be done to protect the young girls from being victims in the first place especially when some of them were under social services care what the hell weren't they helped n protected in the first place. that is a scandal all by itself  (Post deleted by staff )  dave3974: these perverts live in a world that is not part of general british life and the racial element where they targeted another racial group that they thought of little worth is quite repulsive , in addition this vile group had the audacity to play the race card as a defense and pretend that they were the victims. With typical weak uk justice they will be back on the streets in a few short years lovesanureetha: Agricola: You are such an hatred animal who only like his own race and hate the rest. You think you are better human than others because you are white. Just read your white history the most barbaric evil, thieves, thugs,murderers, perverts you can name it. Just go through your history from Crusaders, Roman empire, British empire, French, Mosolini, Hitler, The Russians, all non muslims and barbaric who murder & rape millions of millions innocent humankind and stole their resources for their pleasure, Sarcastic Dots: It's a poignant case that has been exacerbated by the right and the left. Ultimately, free from religion and race, we are discussing paedophiles-- most of which, are white, but again, that's not the point. To focus on one community, whilst ignoring a wider problem that encompasses an entire nation, regardless of their background and beliefs, is causing more harm than good. I'm not really interested in coddling the liberal sensibilities of the religiously tolerant. Neither is anyone here. Memories seem to be selective, but I seem to recall the Catholic church actively covering up paedophilia, and everyone was willing to condemn that-- that being said, I can't really say that the catholic church was effectively punished and it continues to shroud itself in cronyism. So, to me, I don't see the problem with expressing your views towards an entire community, but to say it's exclusive to ONE community or race is laughably incorrect-- or worse, purposely misleading. Really, Agricola, the reason why people are viewing your posts as sensationalist nonsense is because you focus exclusively on stories that concern other communities, rather than treating every story with an equal level of condemnation. Perhaps, maybe, if you branched out into other areas of discussion, people wouldn't associate you with xenophobia, but since you have characterised yourself with these kinds of posts and topics, you are never going to escape your cynics. (Edited by Sarcastic Dots) Agricola: 'free from religion and race, we are discussing paedophiles' yes indeed we are, but in this case these paedophiles selected their victims because they viewed young white girls as worthless. This is a problem which is acknowledged by authorities within the Pakistani community in the UK. Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of The Ramadhan Foundation, said grooming was "a significant problem for the British Pakistani community". "There is an over-representation [of Asian men] amongst recent convictions in the crime of on-street grooming [and] there should be no silence in addressing the issue of race as this is central to the actions of these criminals," he said. "They think that white teenage girls are worthless and can be abused without a second thought; it is this sort of behaviour that is bringing shame on our community." - BBC News (8th May 2012) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-17996245 We do indeed have to be very careful that we do not damage race relations and play into the hands of the far-right who would only be so happy to exploit this issue for their own ends. But there has to be some admission that there is a problem within this particular community. In so doing, we can then begin to understand the motivations behind these crimes. I dont understand why you mentioned the Catholic church? Was it to make me aware that paedophilia exists within the Catholic Church??! Next, you'll be telling me that the current pope is an ex-Nazi!! (Edited by Agricola) Sarcastic Dots: I mentioned the catholics to readjust your belief that this problem is worse than paedophilia as a whole. You are placing greater emphasis on one religion, espousing views that proclaim that "their" society is different from "ours", yet there are plenty of examples of western religions carrying out the same policies. (Edited by Sarcastic Dots) Agricola: @lovesanureetha I enjoy your posts so much i even had a t-shirt made agricola's Picture Ill be wearing it the next time i go pillage and invade a 'non-white muslim' country!! (Edited by Agricola) Sarcastic Dots: I use policies because, to me, a systematic cover up of your church's paedophiles is effectively covering up a policy of paedophilia, thus by extension, allowing paedophiles to exist. BUT LULZ OMG WTF BBQ. (Edited by Sarcastic Dots) Agricola: >'cover up off your church' My church? I cant recall ever purchasing a church......i buyed some magic beans once. Sarcastic Dots: I wasn't referring to you directly, I used "your" to describe the catholic church. Get it? Cool. (Edited by Sarcastic Dots) Sarcastic Dots: Yes, "your" is a possessive and the Catholic church belongs to Catholics. (Edited by Sarcastic Dots) Agricola: Why didnt you just use 'The Catholic Church' in the first place then? Because you were implying i was Catholic and therefore in league with paedophiles. You did this because your argument was weak and instead you relied upon a personal attack against me. this is known as an ad hominem. Ur welcome (Edited by Agricola) Sarcastic Dots: Because I had to go eat some food and I rushed off, hence the appallingly bad errors that I just corrected, like "of" and "off". I'm sorry for the confusion, but I don't exactly proof-read my posts. | Politics Chat Room 57 People Chatting Similar Conversations |