Where will it end? (Page 2)

StuckInTheSixties:

OCD_OCD says:
"That is not hyperbole. that is a fact."

That is what is called "anecdotal evidence," OCD. It's not representative of the situation as a whole. It's a cherry picked extreme example.

davidk14: .

Dot's,

That's your immediate family. Not your next door neighbor.

Seriously, You want to see obesity reduced significantly? Treat sugar like tobacco and tax the holy crap out of it!

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OCD_OCD: High School in Kaysville, Utah, has paid nearly $17,000 in fines this year for violating federal nutritional guidelines.

Read that again: Federal Nutritional Guidelines.

Sarcastic Dots: Food is a bit different, though. We need food. That's why it's hard to argue for regulation or taxation, because it is essential for our survival.

But, I'm sorry, dissociating yourself from a problem doesn't prevent it from existing.

For the record, I am not in favour of the OCD's original post, but I don't think people should sit idly by and let society slump into lethargy. What's the old saying? Everything's fine in moderation.

Well, look, I don't see the harm in, at the very least, telling people that they have a serious problem. I'm not forcing them off the couch, but I'm certainly making them think about doing it.

Edit: Seriously, You want to see obesity reduced significantly? Treat sugar like tobacco and tax the holy crap out of it!

Nope. Taxation doesn't factor into it. I just think that there is nothing wrong with telling people they are living an unhealthy lifestyle. I mean, I have a pretty big sister, and I don't tease her about her weight, but it does come up. You get concerned. It's natural.

StuckInTheSixties:

"High School in Kaysville, Utah, has paid nearly $17,000 in fines this year for violating federal nutritional guidelines. Read that again: Federal Nutritional Guidelines."

Hyperbolic anecdotal evidence.

Not representative of life as a whole.

OCD_OCD: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/04/school-bake-sales-become-_n_1478571.html
In Maryland's Montgomery County, bake sales are not permitted during the day and school officials keep an ear to the ground to make sure that there's no underground sales of sweets, Bloomberg Businessweek reports.

"If a bake sale is going on, it's reported to administration and it's taken care of," Marla Caplon of the county's food and nutrition services told Businessweek. "You can't sell Girl Scout cookies, candy, cakes, any of that stuff."

Montgomery County is one of a growing number of school districts in the country -- ranging from those in California to those in New York -- that have gradually started to ban bake sales in the name of student nutrition as well as to keep food spending in school cafeterias. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 17 percent of all children in the United States are considered obese -- triple that of the last generation.

The Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act of 2010 not only regulates school lunches and breakfasts, but also outlines mandates for the USDA to determine nutrition standards for "competitive foods," or other food items sold during the school day.

OCD_OCD: It is a long article, but you can read it all at the link

davidk14: .

"A North Carolina elementary school forced a preschool student to eat cafeteria chicken nuggets for lunch on Jan. 30 after officials reportedly determined that her homemade meal wasn’t up to the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s standards for healthfulness, according to a report from the Carolina Journal.

The newspaper reported that the four-year-old girl brought a turkey and cheese sandwich, a banana, potato chips and apple juice in her packed lunch from home. That meal didn’t meet with approval from the government agent who was on site inspecting kids’ lunches that day.

The Department of Health and Human Services’ Division of Child Development and Early Education requires that all lunches served in pre-kindergarten programs must meet USDA guidelines. Meals, the guidelines say, must include one serving each of meat, milk and grain and two servings of fruit or vegetables. Those guidelines apply to home-packed lunches as well as cafeteria meals."

http://www.seraphicpress.com/childs-school-lunch-confiscated-by-government-official

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Surprised they didn't handcuff the child and arrest the parent.

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StuckInTheSixties:

** yawns **

This is all making me hungry.

OCD_OCD: this is not an isolated instance. this is an ongoing attack on our freedom of choice.

StuckInTheSixties:

As was safety belts in autos.

As is ANYTHING that restricts ANY personal behavior in ANY way whatsoever.

You want anarchy?

Sarcastic Dots: "Seriously, You want to see obesity reduced significantly? Treat sugar like tobacco and tax the holy crap out of it!"

Nope. Taxation doesn't factor into it. I just think that there is nothing wrong with telling people they are living an unhealthy lifestyle. I mean, I have a pretty big sister, and I don't tease her about her weight, but it does come up. You get concerned. It's natural.

That's where obesity is comparable to tobacco and alcoholism.

OCD_OCD: there is concern, but you wouldnt force her to eat only tofu and cabbage because it was "good for her" would you?

StuckInTheSixties:

Hyperbole.

Sarcastic Dots: See above, OCD

"Well, look, I don't see the harm in, at the very least, telling people that they have a serious problem. I'm not forcing them off the couch, but I'm certainly making them think about doing it. "

I've got my bases covered ;]

OCD_OCD: I eat a balanced, healthy diet, but if I want to eat pancakes with butter and syrup, I will chew the fingers off anyone who tells ne I cant.

OCD_OCD: Telling and educating is great. Forcing is not.

StuckInTheSixties:

So you'd go along with rules for providing "telling and educating", but not "forcing"?

There are many that would object to that, as well.

OCD_OCD: I can choose whether to follow or not since I have the CHOICE to listen or walk away.

Sarcastic Dots: As an adult. But your original article outlined gentle nudging in schools: are you for or against that?

davidk14: Dots,

The government has been trying to "educate" the evils of obesity for decades and it hasn't worked now has it. Tobacco usage has only gone down because of taxation. If sugar is taxed like tobacco, obesity goes down. If alcohol is taxed excessively, it too will show lower consumption. But God forbid we try to stop illegal drug use, everyone say legalize it.

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StuckInTheSixties:

But the food provider wouldn't have the choice, right? They have to post that "nutrition information poster" (at least here in California ... I don't know if that's a federal mandate or not).

If you're at a McDonalds in NYC, you also have the choice to purchase more than one 16 oz. drink (or get a refill if it's allowed).

This is much brouhaha about very little, in my opinion.

Extreme Umbrage On Display !!!!!!!!!!!

Sarcastic Dots: I know what the government has been trying to do, and I agree with you: it hasn't worked. My point is, there is a problem without a solution--

What is the solution?
Does it even need a solution?

Note: I didn't type "government solution"

OCD_OCD: They arent nudging, Dots, they are banning.

Sarcastic Dots: I'm referring to this

Others, though, have their doubts. Richard Thaler, co-author of "Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth and Happiness," which argues for policies that encourage rather than mandate changes in consumer behavior, calls Bloomberg's soda proposal "inartful and probably ineffective and too heavy-handed for my taste."