Health Care (Page 2)

Outbackjack: "David responds: Kissing rich folk’s ass? Yes, more people are living below the poverty line in the US today than at any time and “I am” thinking about them and how I can be a helpful fellow American."

Get real.

You couldnt give a shit and are too brainwashed by your Fox News.

davidk14: Eat shit.

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Outback said: The amount of people in any county is always proportional to the amount of tax paid. Your argument about 22 million people in this country is soooo pathetic as so many of us are so spread out. Get real!! You say it "may" become affordable??? That’s hardly proof that it is unaffordable.

David says: No, you need to get real. The vast majority of the Australian population live in cities on the coast…even I know that without even researching.

I didn’t say anything about affordable or unaffordable. It’s your fellow Australians that are saying it. READ MY POST!!!!! I quoted your doctors and your countrymen!

You and your situation Outback are completely different. Most people in the world could not survive the life style you live. Hell, I don’t know that I could survive your life style. You are an frontiersman hero….and…you isn’t that stupid either.

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Outbackjack: Your post means sweet FA.

It even states the word "maybe"

So if thats the case lets raise it another half percent eh?

I see some bitterness in your post.
Obviously jealous.

The vast majority do live in cities but you know absolutely sweet bugger all about the distances that they are spread across from town to town in this country.The health system covers all these vast distances and its technically free to all citizens on demand.

So stop crapping on about what you know so little about and try to explain why the U.S government cant raise their income tax 1-2% to ensure its citizens are healthy.

It is in the interests of the Corporations to have healthy workers because if they dont then they lose billions of extra dollars in lost productivity.

Go figure?????

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If you had "read" the Healthcare Bill, the bill does not expect a simple 1 - 2% increase. It's a whole lot more than that. Hell, if it was only 1 - 2%, nobody would be complaining. You can read can't you? ...you country bumpkin.

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Outbackjack: Ooooooh.
I must have hit a raw nerve with you David.
Its funny how this "country bumpkin" seems to have better understanding of basic health needs of people as opposed to a tea party lunatic who sources most of his information from Fox News.

I cant be bothered reading through the bill as I dont have as much time on my hands as you do obviously.Also the health care bill will not effect me.

How about you cite the part where it states a percentage and not just a dollar figure.

The problem with your claim that it will cost more is the fact that not all this money will go into actually helping patients.A huge portion will line the pockets of multinational corporations whose main aim is profit.Patients come further down the list.

If your government wants to bring down the cost of healthcare then the answer is simple.Nationalise about 70% of all hospitals in your country.

In the meantime in our state of Western Australia we have around 120 hospitals plus nearly 40 nursing posts and the flying doctor fleet.Not counting all the various doctors surgeries who bill the government.Some of the hospitals are private but when our public hospitals overflow or cant provide the right service.Patients can be sent to a private hospital which the government picks up the tab for.

All this for a population of just over TWO MILLION.

If we can maintain this Universal health system on our 1.5 % over a vast network then why cant you?

Are we smarter?

davidk14: Smarter? You must be! This 2600 page bill just isn't going to do what you suggest at all. THAT'S the problem!!!!

PS. The country bumpkin comments was in jest of course.

dellprinter: Is the bill available on line?

davidk14: Yes....here is a link...however you may need to google or bing another site depnding on your brouser...The document is 2300+ pages long and takes time for the pdf to load.

http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

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dellprinter: Thanks for the link, it worked My PC nearly had a heart attack and needed universal health care just to download it
I am anal enough to read this over the weekend lol

Outbackjack: Still waiting?

So what is the percentage??????

chronology: Mr David. Unrestrained unregulated Capitalism is destroying America. Industries are vanishing, people becoming poorer. The way ahead is American Business, Trade Unions, Government, working together, not trying to give Business more and Tax Cuts.

dellprinter: How about a new philosophy

Comrade instead of competitor

Or is that just a dream.

Wampum6: Perhaps your dream, but for me, nothing but a nightmare!

chronology: Seems 54% of Americans don't agree with Mr Davids 'doom and gloom' for America. The Gallup 'Daily Life Evaluation Poll' today found 54% of Americans are doing well and expect to do better tomorrow. 44% of Americans say they are struggling. About 4% say they are hurting. The 4% pans out at 12 million people. While those folks are definitely not forgotten, it is about what you would expect in any Society. Hopefully too, it is not the same people hurting all the time. Hang in there Guys, as the song says; 'The Sun will come out tomorrow'.

LiptonCambell: Haha this is one of those things I actually agree with David on! And its simple- business's must compete for your money, so they must provide a better service or better price than their competitors.

For example- you have a package- you have a choice between UPS and USPost. USPost is slower and more beuacratic, while UPS is faster and efficent. And why is this? Because UPS has to compete for your money- if you choose to go with a different company, thats money that UPS has lost and will never see again. Meanwhile, if you do business with USPost? Yea, they get paid whether or not you do business with them. In fact, if they run into deficit, they actually receive MORE tax payer dollars.

In that regard alone, privatization is better. Add in the fact that, can anyone legitmately state a program where the government does anything good?

Wampum6: Lipton. Your last comment and question are right on target!

Outbackjack: We arent talking about the mailman delivering a few letters here.

We are talking about a Universal health care system.

LiptonCambell: We're talking about a government monopoly versus privatization. Sounds apt.

Outbackjack: You want to talk about privatisation?.

I used to lay roads for a private contractor.It cost the taxpayers twice as much to lay the roads as it did for government workers previously.

The grain rail network got privatised here in the 1990s.
The private operators inherited a good system that was well maintained.
Part of the agreement was that maintenance would be done but very little was carried out.

What happened?

The private operator started shutting down parts of the network and put more trucks on our roads instead.They then blackmailed our government into spending $80 million on maintenance or they were going to shut down about half the network and send even more trucks on the road.They were smart bastards you see.They knew damn well that the public would kick up a stink about so many more trucks being on the road endangering them.

The government should have just seized the entire operation and not given in to these corporate criminals because in 5 years time they will be back again demanding more money as they wont do any maintenance and just take the profits.

In Britain they privatised the rail network and its a joke.In N.S.W they did the same and have had serious congestion and deadlock not to mention serious crashes causing death.They are even trying to turf old people off the trains there to make more money.

You can talk all you like about a few letters getting quicker in the mail but the majority of privatised assets have not benefitted the taxpayer and are actually costing them more money in the long run and endangering their lives.

LiptonCambell: >>>.They then blackmailed our government into spending $80 million on maintenance or they were going to shut down about half the network and send even more trucks on the road

They blackmailed the Government?! But thats the Governments job!

Eitherway, I love how your solution to a private monopoly is a federal monopoly. That'll solve your problems.

Outbackjack: Thats the governments job?

How do you figure that.
The government no longer owned the GRAIN rail network.Its responsibility was solely of the private operator which also included maintenance.This was set out quite clearly.

Funny how you believe its the governments job.
Typical freeloading free trader advocate.

Privatise the profits and socialise the losses.

This also had nothing to do with our federal government as it was owned by the state government.Governments should own essential services so we are not held hostage by private corporations who have a captive market and just ramp up the prices for the sole pursuit of profit.

Nationalisation allows money to ACTUALLY go into taxpayers pockets as opposed to money flowing out to prop up essential maintainance infrastructure (and corporate profits) that these privatised companies dont provide.

It also provides more jobs which in turn means less money on social security.
Everytime something is privatised the first thing they do is slash jobs in the pursuit of profit and so called "efficiency".

So I really dont know where you are going with this.

hottriplej: Privatization????,,,,,,,,how bout American Social Security,,,,,,

chronology: Mr Outback. You will never convince these people, mostly because they have never had the experience you have had. But I must disagree with you on a few points. There are some things Private Enterprise do very well. Running Airlines, Telephone Companies, Shops, Manufacturing Consumer Goods, Television and Radio Companies, these and other Businesses they excel in. Where Private Business falls flat on it's face is trying to run schools, hospitals, prisons, post offices, railroads, public transport in cities. These 'businesses' are essential services you have no choice in using for the most part. If I was sending my kids to a school in Arizona, I would like to think the school was run in the interests of students and staff, not for a profit. The whole problem with Privatising Public Services is that Private Companies just 'Cherry Pick' the profitable departments of those Services leaving Politicians with expensive loss making departments that would have been subsidised by the profitable departments. People respond; 'well the Politicians should just Axe those departments'. How the hell do Politicians explain to the voters that they are dumping, kids, hospital patients, prisoners, closing roads etc because there is no money to run the school, prison, or hospital?.

Wampum6: I'm not at all sure that anecdotal comments have any real value.