12/25/2010 Another Hamas Threat

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Hamas Threatens Increased Hostilities Against Israel
Published December 25, 2010

Associated Press

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip -- The militant Islamic Hamas rulers of Gaza vowed to make Israel "disappear."

A recent flare-up along the border has threatened the calm that has largely held since Israel's bruising invasion of Gaza two years ago aimed at stopping years of Palestinian rocket fire.

Israel was roundly condemned for its late 2008 incursion, though it followed the firing of thousands of rockets by Gaza militants at southern Israel.

Over the last week, Gaza's militants fired 30 rockets into southern Israel, lightly wounding a 15-year-old girl. Israel hit back with multiple airstrikes aimed at Hamas facilities, killing a Palestinian and wounding several others.

Early Saturday, Israel bombed what the military said was a Gaza "terror training facility" and a weapons smuggling tunnel under the Gaza-Egypt border. Hamas said there were no casualties.

On Saturday, Mohammed Deif, the leader of Hamas' broke a long silence with a vow to make Israel "disappear."

Hamas ideology leaves no room for a Jewish state in an Islamic Middle East,

In a statement to mark the 23rd anniversary of founding of Hamas, Deif addressed Israel directly.

"You are going to disappear no matter how long it takes ... we will not raise the white flag to you as long as there is one Muslim on this planet."

The Israeli military refused to comment about either Hamas statement. Israel holds Hamas responsible for all violence toward Israel from Gaza.

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This was reported by the AP from Gaza.

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chronology: David. ............... Israel has the finest Air Force on Earth. The worlds finest Intelligence Service, Israel is Armed to the teeth with the latest American weaponry supplied 'Gratis' by the U.S.A. (The U.S. paid for the Blitzkrieg on Gaza in 2008). And you say the poverty stricken people of Gaza are going to make Israel 'disappear'? That is like the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto saying they are going to make the SS disappear.
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davidk14
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Chrono said: And you say the poverty stricken people of Gaza are going to make Israel 'disappear'?


David responds:

I didn't say it, Hamas said it. Regarding Gaza poverty....














Poverty stricken? This sure doesn’t look like poverty to me or anyone else and this was before Israel lifted most of the embargo. I'm sure there are some that are living in poverty, but all countries have this issue. So don't embarrass yourself further using this as an excuse that Hamas doesn't have the means to inflict heavy casualties on Israeli populations.

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David continues:

There is no denying the rulers of Hamas are supported by Iran.

There is no denying that Iran has armed Hamas “to the teeth” and recently provided Hamas, as they have Hezbollah in the north, top of the line Russian missile technology.

There is no denying that Iran, unless stopped, will provide Hamas with nuclear materials for dirty bombs in the future.

There is no denying that Iran, unless stopped, is capable of creating a nuclear bomb in the near future.

There is no denying that Iran, unless stopped, will provide Hamas with a weapon of mass destruction.

The UN is impotent. The Obama administration is impotent. You are an enabler as many are putting the blame on the wrong people. Instead of vehemently denouncing Hamas, Hezbollah and the like, you and your type are falling for the collateral damage propaganda when Israel defends itself.

If you deny any of the above, your ignorance shows no boundaries.

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Chrono said: That is like the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto saying they are going to make the SS disappear.

David responds:

I’m at a loss of civil English on how to communicate to you. You are equating Israel to the Nazi SS during the struggle of the Hero’s of the Warsaw Ghetto. Israel is not using genocide to destroy Gaza. Israel is not exterminating the Palestinians much less exterminating them by the millions, much less with the support of the United States and western cultures.


This is a new low for you. Shame on you.

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chronology: David. One of the most obnoxious things about you is your callous and deliberate misrepresentation of the predicament of the people of Gaza. Have a look at the Official figures for the percentage of people in Gaza dependent on Food Aid. Have a look at the numbers of people in Gaza unemployed or under employed because of Israeli Sanctions. David, you really have no shame. Have a look at how food prices are higher than they should be for Palestinian Moms and their families because of the Blockade.
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davidk14
davidk14: .
David posted:

Hamas Threatens Increased Hostilities Against Israel
Published December 25, 2010

Associated Press

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip -- The militant Islamic Hamas rulers of Gaza vowed to make Israel "disappear."

Chrono said: David. One of the most obnoxious things about you is your callous and deliberate misrepresentation of the predicament of the people of Gaza.

David responds: Obnoxious? Get real. I have nothing against the non-combatants of Gaza even if they do support Hamas. You are right; they are having challenging times but how challenging really. Sure prices are high, work is hard to come by. But whose fault is it really? Their own. Gaza has been out of the hands of the Israel’s for over five years. When are you going to accept that fact? They have been governed by Hamas for at least three years. Hold Hamas accountable for their suffering.

Chrono said: Have a look at the Official figures for the percentage of people in Gaza dependent on Food Aid. Have a look at the numbers of people in Gaza unemployed or under employed because of Israeli Sanctions.

David responds: I re-posted some facts below regarding Humanitarian Aid being delivered through Israel. And again, the people of Gaza want nothing to do with Israel so let their Muslum brothers to the south help them develop into a viable nation. Oh that’s right, Egypt wants nothing to do with them either. Ya ever wonder why that is?
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davidk14: Chrono said: David, you really have no shame. Have a look at how food prices are higher than they should be for Palestinian Moms and their families because of the Blockade.

David responds: Stop the firing of rockets into Israel. Stop the genocidal tendencies and comments like the one posted at the beginning of this post and perhaps the western world will remove Hamas from the terrorist list. But then, that would legitimatize Israel’s right to exist.

David says: Despite the hundreds of attacks by Hamas, did you know that Israel maintains the transfer of perishable and staple food items to Gaza used by internationally recognized organizations including the United Nations and the Red Cross? Did you know that?

Well over a million tons of humanitarian supplies entered Gaza from Israel over the last 18 months equaling nearly a ton of aid for every man, woman and child in Gaza worth tens of millions of dollars worth of international food aid ensuring that there is no food shortage in Gaza? Did you know that?

Since the end of the IDF operation in Gaza 1,025,686 tons of aid, 49,610 tons of cooking gas and 136,097,330 liters of fuel have been delivered to the Gaza Strip. Did you know that?

Did you know that food and supplies are shipped from Israel to Gaza six days a week channeled through aid organizations or via Gaza's private sector? Did you know that?

Did you know that large quantities of essential food items like baby formula, wheat, meat, dairy products and other perishables are transferred daily and weekly to Gaza?

Did you know that fertilizers that cannot be used to make explosives are shipped into the Strip regularly, as are potato seeds, eggs for reproduction, bees, and equipment for the flower industry? Did you know that?

Did you know that in 2009 alone, more than 738,000 tons of food and supplies entered Gaza? Did you see the pictures in local newspapers showing local markets aplenty with fruit, vegetables, cheese, spices, bread and meat to feed 1.4 million Gazans? Did you see these pictures?

Did you know that in the first quarter of 2010 (January-March), 94,500 tons of supplies were transferred in 3,676 trucks to the Strip? Did you know that?
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davidk14: Did you know that 48,000 tons of food products; 40,000 tons of wheat; 2,760 tons of rice; 1,987 tons of clothes and footwear; 553 tons of milk powder and baby food were delivered from Israel into Gaza? Did you know that?

Did you know in a typical week the IDF coordinates the transfer of hundreds of trucks containing about 15,000 tons of supplies.? Did you know that?

Did you know during the week of May 18, 2010 there were more than 100 truckloads of animal food, 65 trucks of fruit and vegetables; 22 truckloads of sugar, some 27 truckloads of meat, poultry and fish; and 40 trucks of dairy products were delivered from Israel? Did you know that?

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Did you know at holiday times, Israel increases transfers during the Muslim holy days of Ramadhan and Eid al-Adha? Did you know that?

Did you know that Israel shipped some 11,000 heads of cattle into the Strip during the Muslim holy days of Ramadhan and Eid al-Adha? Did you know that?
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davidk14
davidk14: Did you know that no Palestinian is denied medical care in Israel? Did you know that?

Did you know that if the Hamas regime does not grant permits for medical care, the Israeli government can do nothing to help the patient? Did you know that?

Did you know that Israel will facilitate all cases of medical treatments from Gaza, unless the patient is a known perpetrator of terror? Did you know that?

Did you know that Israel maintains a corridor for the transfer of medical patients out of Gaza, and about 200 medical staff members go through the crossings every month? Did you know that?

Did you know that Israel also helps coordinate the transfer of Jordanian doctors into Gaza? Did you know that?

Did you know that in 2009 alone, 10,544 patients and their companions left the Gaza Strip for medical treatment in Israel? Did you know that?

Did you know that there were 382 emergency evacuations from Gaza for medical purposes? Did you know that?

Did you know that the Hadassah Medical Organization in Jerusalem donates $3 million in aid annually to treat Palestinians in Israel? Did you know that?

Did you know that following the fears of a swine flu outbreak, three Israeli hospitals were assigned to treat cases in the Gaza Strip and 44,500 immunizations were transferred to the Strip? Did you know that?

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davidk14
davidk14: Did you know that since 2005, Palestinians exploited medical care arrangements more than 20 times to carry out terror attacks? Of course you didn’t know that.

Did you know that in 2009, some 4,883 tons of medical equipment and medicine were brought into Gaza by Israel? Did you know that?

Did you know that in the first quarter of 2010, Israel shipped 152 trucks of medical supplies and equipment into Gaza? Did you know that?

Did you know that In a typical week (in May 2010), some 37 truckloads of hygiene products were shipped to Gaza through the land crossings? Did you that?

Did you know that Israel shipped a new CAT scan machine to Gaza? Did you know that?

Did you know that In 2009, Israel coordinated the transfer of medical supplies for the disabled including wheelchairs, crutches and first aid kits as well as heart-monitors, baby feeding tubes, dental equipment, medical books, ambulance emergency equipment, artificial limbs and infant sleeping bags? Did you know that?

Did you know that in the first quarter of 2010, 23 tons of iron and 25 tons of cement were transferred to the Gaza Strip? Did you know that?

Did you know according to the UN report of May 2010, 120 megawatts (over 70%) of the Strip's electricity supply comes from the Israeli electric grid, while 17 MWs come from Egypt and 30 MWs are produced by the Gaza city power station? Did you know that?

Did you know that since January 2010, there has been deterioration in the supply of electricity to the Gaza Strip since the Hamas regime is unwilling to purchase the fuel to run the Gaza City power station? Now why is that?

Did you know that throughout 2009 Israel transferred 41 trucks of equipment for the maintenance of Gaza's electricity grid? Did you know that?

Did you know that Israel facilitates the transfer of fuel through the border, and maintains that the diversion of fuel from domestic power generators to other uses is wholly a Hamas decision? I’m sure you didn’t know that.

Did you know that over 133 million liters of fuel entered Gaza from Israel over the last 18 months? Did you know that?

Did you know that during the first quarter of 2010, the UN coordinated with Israel the transfer of equipment for UNWRA to upgrade the sewage pumping station? Did you know that?

Did you know that in 2009, 127 trucks containing more than 3,000 tons of hypochlorite entered the Gaza Strip for water purification purposes? Did you know that?

Did you know that 48 trucks of equipment for improving the sanitation infrastructure led to a substantial reduction in the Beit Lahya facility's waste levels? Did you know that?



YOU SHOULD BE OUTRAGED, NOT AT ISRAEL BUT AT HAMAS. HOW DARE HAMAS FIRE ROCKETS INTO ISRAEL TO INVITE A MILITARY RESPONSE WHERE THEIR CITIZENS ARE PUT INTO HARMS WAY!!

ESPECIALLY AFTER ALL THE AID THAT ISRAEL PROVIDES THE PEOPLE OF GAZA.



AND ALL THIS AID IS GOING ON WHILE HAMAS FIRES ROCKETS INTO ISRAEL BY THE HUNDREDS…BY THE THOUSANDS !!!

AND YOU SAY THE ISRAELI’S ARE NOT COMPASIONATE TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLES, THAT THE ISRAELIS HAVE GENOCIDAL TENDENCIES.

YOU DO NEED A REALITY CHECK
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FogofWar: The Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto did make the SS disappear. They rose up and fought back; securing their land on their own…a bad example for your case Chrono.

"There is no denying that Iran, unless stopped, is capable of creating a nuclear bomb in the near future."

…um…yah….in the near future.


"Have a look at the Official figures for the percentage of people in Gaza dependent on Food Aid."

Mosab Yousef spoke about life in Israeli occupied Ramallah in the West Bank. His life was actually of average wealth; yet he said that they were wealthy enough to live very comfortably…no question it was not as nice as the Israeli settlements; but when he spoke of his poverty; it was while his father was in prison for terrorism as a founding member of Hamas. In fact; Mosab mentions that their poverty came from the fact that no other Palestinians; even their families; would help them out when their father was incarcerated for trying to "liberate" them.

He mentions time and again that the problem in Israel is not the Israelis against the Palestinians; it is the selfishness within the Palestinians themselves.

"Have a look at the numbers of people in Gaza unemployed or under employed because of Israeli Sanctions."

They are unemployed or underemployed because Hamas will not let them work. If they work during their "strikes" they are beaten and arrested by fellow Palestinians. This sentence is often far worse than what it would be in an Israeli prison.


It's not Israel that does not want peace; it is Hamas; and the PLO. Mosab met with Yasser Arafat; and he wrote in his autobiography; "Son of Hamas" about it. If you want to know what is going on within Palestine; it is a crucial read.

In it; he mentions when his father met with the Egyptian Brotherhood; and formed the idea of Hamas. He mentions when his father; and six others formed Hamas. He mentions when his father and Hamas started the first Infitada. He mentions throwing stones at IDF tanks; and not fully understanding at such a young age what was really going on. He mentions his father being arrested by Israel repeatedly. He mentions Yasser Arafat and the PLO being made the Palestinian Authority by Israel. He mentions Arafat arresting his father to control the Palestinians.

What he also mentions was how Arafat, the Palestinian leader dumping his father in Lebanon, on a remote mountain, with nothing, and no aid....he was virtually left for dead....by his own people. Even Israel didn't do that.

He mentions when he was 18 purchasing submachineguns....they didn't work...they turned out to be from the IDF; and were monitored. He was arrested and served 17 months in Israeli prison. He was interrogated, beaten, and decided to work as a collaborator with Israel so he could kill them from the inside. He was sent to another prison; where he watched Hamas leaders torture innocent Palestinians to satisfy their own sick and perverse fantasies. He watched the Palestinians tear themselves apart for the sake of fighting...and it was in this time that he lost faith in their cause.

He mentions sitting in a meeting with Yasser Arafat and discussing relations between Hamas, Fatah and the PLO. He mentions Arafat telling his father to start the second infitada. He mentions tracking Hamas' top arms dealer and seeing Fatah members guarding him. He mentions uncovering Yasser Arafat's BMW used for transporting several suicide bombers. Yasser Arafat was not only happy about what Hamas was doing; it was Arafat himself that was doing these attacks. He mentions Arafat blaming his father; and he mentions hiding his father; and becoming one of; if not the most powerful man in Hamas.

He also mentions his coming to terms with the only people looking for peace in all this; Israel!


His autobiography is called "Son of Hamas" ...read it.
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davidk14
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Fog said: The Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto did make the SS disappear. They rose up and fought back; securing their land on their own…

David responds:

Fog, this is how history has written the ending of the Warsaw Ghetto.

The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was the Jewish resistance that arose within the Warsaw Ghetto in German occupied Poland during World War II, and which opposed Nazi Germany's effort to transport the remaining ghetto population to Treblinka extermination camp.

The insurgency was launched against the Germans on January 18, 1943. The most significant portion of the rebellion took place from April 19 until May 16, 1943, and ended when the poorly armed and supplied resistance was crushed by the German troops. It was the largest single revolt by the Jews during the Holocaust.

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