Iranian girl attacked in UK over hijab (Page 6)

cuarl: Oh also. I have seen muslims eat both dogs and rats. The first is happy to eat its own shit and the second carry more diseases that any other mamal.

Np19: first of all cuarl normally you seem to have decent comments and you come across at times as rather educated. but the above comment shows me that you are completley ignorant of the subject matter. what i would like you to do is show me any one single proof that muslims eat rats and dogs, and dont show me indian hindus or people who may have a south asian complexion, i want you to provide me with evidence of the above accusation, rats and dogs and any rodents are totally forbidden to consume for a muslim.
dogs eat their own shit????? i think your mistaking a dog with a pig here mate!

not everyone who is called mo or ali is a proper practacing muslim and not everyone follows their religion fully. if someone called mo wants to eat pork thats his choice, you dont judge a religion by looking at people you should judge it by studying about it.

in a muslim house hold you never find pork and it is never consumed so thats why even non-practacing muslims refrain from it as they have never been exposed to it!!

please provide me with evidence of muslims consuming rats and dogs, if you cannot post a video or link then im more than happy to take a drive to cardiff and see what u have as proof!!!!

davidk14: .

A few years ago (?) when I had a TV, I was watching a show called 'Dirtiest Jobs". Mike had to work on a pig farm and it was the nastiest, dirtiest and most disgusting show of the series (other than the sewers of SF). And we worry about lettuce?

I was looking on youtube for the same episode but this one is much more entertaining....So for your entertainment...

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cuarl: I cant show you assasin. I have been around in the outskirts of Indonesia. Maybe things are different there I just thought it was funny they can eat anything but not pigs "No im muslim". Yea well you smoke and drink, have a number of kids wihout marriage.
Again its not about Islam but just why the pigs are such a big issue.

RahGuzaR: Curl either you are unable to get the point which i myself and Khan has mentioned in earlier post or you don't want to.
Muslims are totally forbidden to consume pork or alcohol or even chicken or cow meat which is not slaughtered according to Islamic way but some muslim think that they would get away if they drink alcohol and they wont if they eat pork, which is totally wrong.

Pork is Haram (forbidden) in Islam and if some one is still having it then he will be punished on judgement day, same applies for alcohol and any thing which is considered forbidden.

Its sad that most people in west have not come across the real practicing muslims.

cuarl: Its an honest question why do you have to be so defensive?
Yes I know its forbidden. The question was simply why the pork is often the biggest icon of a muslim when its actually not a very big deal in the book. Its not an attack on muslims its just a general question that I am not expecting a definite answer, just your opinion as a muslim yourself. Gosh keep in on a nice level.

cuarl: And yes Assasin_khan dogs eat poop. My friends dog is the happiest ever on winter when he runs in to a frozen dog poop. Starts licking it like a popsicle
Some random link: http://www.dogpoopdiet.com/why-dogs-eat-poop/

Here is the Indonesians eating dogs. I missed that you wrote non south asian but they claim to be the biggest democratic muslim nation with a population of around 250million, 90% being Muslims.


And now I have to explain or you all gonna flame me:
I know this is not the muslim way and im _not_ accusing muslims of being dog eaters or anything. So dont go yelling on me with that. But im showing the link you asked for since you doubt my word on it.
As I said, I just been to Indoneisa where the guy told me they(The village) eat dogs and whatnot but then he refuse pork.. So im surprised at his conviction on how bad pork is to eat when he eat exactly anything else and dont mind any other laws in the Quran much. I come here and ask knowledged people in the area "why is it so very important not to eat pork".
I got the answer that it is just another law among others. So I suppose these people thought it must be enough to pick one law to follow.

Np19: cuarl cuarl cuarl my friend this is not all indonesians at all, just because someone has wrote that on the video it dont mean its fact, judging the look of these people they looka few picsof the look like they are from papa new guinea. now the issue of pork although it has nothing to do with the topic of this page i will try and answer for you.
ok first of all i have never met any muslim who consumes dog meat so i would never be able to answer that question for you,all i can say is that under jewish and islamic law the flesh of dogs is forbidden. Now what makes you assume that muslims follow every single law in the quran? yes some people pick and choose what they want to follow and not everyone with a muslim name is a practcing muslim who obeys all the commands as i have already pointed out.

Dog meat is haram for Muslims and as such, it is not consumed by most of Indonesia's predominantly Muslim population. However, dog meat is eaten by several of Indonesia's non-Muslim minorities.

In Indonesia, the consumption of dog meat is usually associated with the Minahasa, a Christian ethnic group in northern Sulawesi, and Bataks of northern Sumatra, who consider dog meat to be a festive dish and usually reserve it for special occasions like weddings and Christmas.Popular Indonesian dog-meat dishes are rica-rica, called variably as "RW" or rintek wuuk, rica-rica waung, guk-guk, and "B1". Locally on Java, there are several names for dishes made from dog meat, such as sengsu (tongseng asu), sate jamu, and kambing balap.

i know 'muslims by name' who dont drink alcohol but will eat pork, i know muslims by name who wont eat pork but will drink alcohol! really its up to the person and the level of faith they have.

like i said earlier in muslim households pork is never ever consumed and kids are raised never eating it or being exposed to it, i think its the pschology behinde it also, when they see pork they automatically will refuse it as they have been raised not eating it. on the other hand you may get some who would like to try it and will consume it at some point in their life and thats their choice.
there are over a billion 'muslims' in this world and im sure out of one billion you will meet people of all sorts who do all sorts of things. the pork issue is simply weather religious or not religious they are raised never consuming it and in their mind they are raised knowing its dirty so will never touch it.

eating pork for Muslims is not merely tantamount to eating dogs for westerners, in certain cases, we could go as far as to liken it to consuming cockroaches – so unclean is the image of these animals.

Some Muslims rationalise their porkophobia by explaining that pigs are dangerous to eat, especially in hot climates, but pork is no more risky, at least in the modern world, than beef and poultry.

The injunction may have originally been connected to health concerns, environmental worries in an arid climate where foraging pigs could destroy precious grazing land, or as a simple test of faith and obedience.

"We are not a pig-friendly people",

cuarl i think the bottom line is on this earth you will find many many people who choose what they want to follow and they will follow it lightly or strictly depending on the level of their faith. your right there are some poeple who will pick and choose what they want to follow and thats their chioce.

anyway sorry for getting a bit p'd off last night dude. but hope this answers the question.

Np19: Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked a name other than that of Allah. [Al-Qur’an 5:3]

The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places. Its prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115

Np19: ill be very honest with you, in my youth days i drank, smoked weed used coke fornicated etc, but one think i couldnt do and never did was eat pork, the sight of pork would make me feel sick. now although i was not folowing the rules by doing other things my mind would just not allow me to consume pork, its almost as if theres a seed that had been planted in my head that ensured pork was never even an option, why? well thinking of it i think its due to the fact that when i started school my mum and the imam in the mosque would tell us all the time when u go to school be careful as to what u eat and make sure u never ever eat pork. in the western world where pork is freeley available muslims are raised constantly being advised of what products contain pork and what foods are prohibited. i really think its pschological seed that is planted within us that sort of programmes us to not eat pork.
its not an easy question to answer and im sure in indvidual cases you find different motives for why people dont consume it.

cuarl: While teenagers we like to test the limits and do what we should not. I think what you wrote in your last post is true for very many muslims, testing, just like any other teenager. Yet the pork stays uneaten, fascinating
I know its not an easy question with definite answer, all I ever really wanted was your opinion and thoughts about it. Thank you.

spankdmonkey: I know a few muslims that did eat pork ,not out of choice but out of hunger ,As i use to have to serve it upto them ,this was back in the late 80s .Some would go hungry but some would actually eat the meat and deny eating it . that does not mean they were happy to eat it .This was because they had no choice in a way ,they would not have starved but they would have gone to bed hungry .

also in Australia many years ago halal meat was never really around ,but eventually 99 percent of butchers sell Halal meat which is just blessed meat by a Emir .I was brought up in Bankstown which is the muslim capital of Australia there is no way whatsoever that they eat dog ,It is illegal to eat dog in our country

.the biggest reason they are against eating pork is because pig is so much of a filthy animal it does not matter how clean the sty is .they are just filthy animals that will eat anything even their own excrement .you can fill a pig up with nice clean dried food but they will still eat their own crap and roll in it .

As for alcohol iam under the impression that it is not actually against their religion ,because alcohol was rife throughout the arab world and middle east ,but what happened because of the rapes .prostitution and crimes while on alcohol that their religion banned it under sharia law .Assasin might enlighten us on this as im sure he would know the facts on it .most muslims drink alcohol in Australia

but just because your a muslim or achristian does not mean that you follow every letter of the quran or bible to the letter we are all just humans and fall to temtpations .

khansohrabali: salam to all

khansohrabali: hamara koi hy ya nahe.

Np19: spankdmonkey you said it in the most perfect way, brilliant response

RahGuzaR: Spankdmonkey nice response !!

Alcohol is also completely forbidden in Islam, In the early stage of Islam when Muhammed PBUP started teaching Islam to the arabs, alcohol was widely used and some of the followers then used to drink before coming to the daily prayers.

Later it was called forbidden cause when you are drunk you some time forget to differentiation between the right and wrong . This is my own reasoning for alcohol being forbidden is Islam but i will later provide you the reference from Quran.

RahGuzaR: I guess its easy to cover her body for a person who like to wear revealing dress but on the other hand some one who has been keeping her body and head all covered up from the age of 12 or 14, its gonna be hell of a mission. Muslim woman got to cover their body cause its their religious dress code.

Hope it makes sense to you.

Sarcastic Dots: "Um... Why didn't she just stop wearing her hijab? If I were to live in a muslim country and the people didn't like my sexy Megan Fox tshirt"

Because it's Britain, not the Islamic Republic of Iran. People are free to dress as they choose. I have a better question.

If a women wears revealing clothes, does she deserved to be raped?

Hint: No

If a person is wearing something you disapprove of, is assault an appropriate reaction?

Hint: No

Why is it so hard for people to grasp this? I swear half of you have more in common with the Muslim countries you abhor than the ones you claim to be patriotic to.

RahGuzaR: i will suggest you to do your home work before you come up with silly statements !!
if you guys cannot tolerate a woman wearing hijab then stop shouting about the freedom every individual is entitled for in your society.

woman has freedom to strip down in public but she cannot cover herself cuz it offends you.

Sarcastic Dots: Bullshit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4170635.stm

And I didn't see him getting assaulted. Clearly the British royal family have trouble integrating into... Britain?

Sarcastic Dots: Don't change the rules of the game to suit your argument. Besides, I find it curious that you think the hijab is as remotely as offensive as the swastika. The hijab is a headscarf, that's all it is. Are we going to stop bikers from wearing bandana's 'cos they cover their head?

Where does this stuff end?