Iranian girl attacked in UK over hijab (Page 7)

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RahGuzaR
RahGuzaR: Please take some time to read the article which might help to change the perception towards Muslims.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/03/lauren-booth-conversion-to-islam

@One Bar

Since you live in Britain and see woman wearing hijab daily on the streets and around you.
Ask any of those female what makes them wear hijab and how do they feel when they have got their head covered, cuz only them can answer your question with a true heart .

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RahGuzaR
RahGuzaR: Its not about whether muslim woman want to cover their head or not, its about a religion and its teachings to live a life. In Islam every adult woman have to wear hijab whether they like it or not.

Please goggle it or ask any of your scholar about covering your head in chritanism, In bible it clearly says that woman has to cover their head and shave off their heads who do not follow the teachings but look around you apart from NUNS no woman follows the teachings.

We are not allowed to consume alcohol in Islam, its compltelety forbidden yet you find many muslims in bars and clubs enjoying it.

When you submit yourself to the will of God then you just follow the teachings without thinking what people around would say about it and if they would like it or not.

Unfortunately there is no country in this world which has completely implemented the Sharia law.

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lavendar_star
lavendar_star: unfortunately, its good thing, its bloody sexist Sharia law, its a women body to do what she wants with it. how can a religion dictate your life so much you have no free choice and will of your own , if that so called God direction it is unjust and cruel. Considering all modern religions are man made and obviously sexist against women and for you to say whether she like it or not, its outrages.
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One Bar
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cuarl
cuarl: If you are to follow the book then adult men are also supposed to cover themselves just like women yes.

Sharia law is stupid. Its in-human and a disgrace for humanity in the year 2000+. Stoning people, really?!
Oh yea, what I just said would get me stoned for Blasphemy in a proper Sharia law country. Its so great and well thought out laws.
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jayhaywalker
jayhaywalker: When in Rome, dress like the Romans. Please by all means introduce anti hijab and burqa bill. If they want to wear it they may wear it in Pakistan or other Islamic nations or behind the close doors of their home. As far as I am aware, not a single western nation has forced the muslims to come and stay in their country. In fact they have gone there by their own free will, believing western countries to have better standards of life, begging and pleading. Obviously the standard of living these immigrant muslims had in their motherland was abhorrent. Why else would they go as refugees and asylum seekers to western nations?

However, after being so kindly being allowed to stay in western countries by western govts, these people want to go back to their old ways and traditions, which had in the first place contributed to the bad standards of living in their motherland. This is being ungrateful and disloyal to the country granting them asylum or refuge. Not to mention they are corrupting the free and liberal cultures of the west, with terrorism and fear. Thus earning the burqa and hijab bans.

May the islamic people either abide by the anti hijab and burqa laws of western, or face the penalties. Repeated offenders should have their western citizenship revoked and be deported or be left stateless. When non-muslims visit Islamic nations, they are sensitive to respect the islamic laws and sentiments.

Finally its blasphemous to hear people say its Gods will to cover faces and have their dicks cut. If it REALLY was, then may be like One Bar said above earlier, 'god would have made them with flaps of skin over their faces'. Or the dick cut. Pubic hair less, etc etc.
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Sarcastic Dots
Sarcastic Dots: "When in Rome, dress like the Romans. Please by all means introduce anti hijab and burqa bill."

There is no European dress code. That's the point. You are free to express yourself freely, even if it offends others.

"As far as I am aware, not a single western nation has forced the muslims to come and stay in their country"

This is true, within reason. Britain and France occupied territories that held large numbers of Muslims. Those very same Muslims acted on behalf of those empires to spread their imperial wealth and protect their borders. Hell, in Britain's case there were whole Indian regiments acting under British rule. I'm afraid your view on immigration is painfully short-sighted and you need to look further back in order to create an accurate assessment of Muslim communities in the west.

"May the islamic people either abide by the anti hijab and burqa laws of western, or face the penalties. Repeated offenders should have their western citizenship revoked and be deported or be left stateless. When non-muslims visit Islamic nations, they are sensitive to respect the islamic laws and sentiments."

There aren't any anti-hijab laws in the UK. Get over it.

" If it REALLY was, then may be like One Bar said above earlier, 'god would have made them with flaps of skin over their faces'. Or the dick cut. Pubic hair less, etc etc"

Retarded logic.

-If God doesn't want jews to have foreskin, why are they born with it?
-If God doesn't want us to eat pork, why is it so delicious?
-If God didn't want us to sin then why did he give us free will?

The last point is the most important question, especially within religious circles.
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jayhaywalker
jayhaywalker: Yes there isn't an anti-hijab/burqa bill in the UK yet. However I do know they are trying to work one out, similar to france

The muslims in UK are not there because, UK feels repentant about its debauch colonization of many parts of the world. Far from it.

And i am not sure what you mean by retarded logic, with you citing similar rhetorical questions as i did.

As for god giving us free will and intelligence, it is for us to not get tangled up in any religious hypocrisy.
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Sarcastic Dots
Sarcastic Dots: I never said they were there because of debauchery, but they certainly didn't come here to for any ulterior motives. It's perfectly acceptable to wear a head covering and be British.

Let us all observe Queen Victoria's favourite servant. Though he isn't a Muslim, he openly wore a head covering and native dress back in a far more racist time than our own.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01605/munshi_1605081c.jpg

" Yes there isn't an anti-hijab/burqa bill in the UK yet. However I do know they are trying to work one out"

The only two parties that are trying to implement that are UKIP and the BNP and neither have a seat in parliament. REAL political parties have far more important things to worry about.
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Lora123
Lora123: So a girl in Britain got beat up by four other girls for being different. Big deal. When I was eleven years old, my family moved to a new town. I had lousy social skills and no idea how to fit in. Eventually, I found myself being assaulted almost daily and crying myself to sleep nightly. There were asshole kids then, and there are asshole kids now. My being assaulted didn't make the international news, and neither do the stories of the millions of other kids being assaulted every day by the neighbourhood bullies. The only reason anyone is hearing this particular girl's story is because of the reason she was assaulted. Believe me, she is traumatized no more or less than every other poor kid targetted by bullies for any other reason. Saying her case is more important than any other is reverse racism. And reverse racism is just as outrageous and unacceptable as racism is.
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lavendar_star
lavendar_star: Ok@Lora it may not be a big deal to you, the point is were you bullied for your race or religion? It seems I had similar experience to you for the reasons you explained, but the point is the girl was targeted for her race or religion. All bullying is wrong correct. But bullying or being attacked or targets for innate traits which you were born with i.e. gender, sexuality, disability and race or your culture heritage i.e your religion background is different to being bullied for being a different because you don't fit in or have bad social skills.

The point of this post was is in the climate of Islamicphobia in the Western countries creating a situations where Muslim people would be possible victims of bullying or physical acts i.e. like with the girl mentioned. Did you get randomly attacked in the street for you race or religion!!!!!!! I am not undermining your experience as I didn't have great time at school myself for the same reasons you cited, but if I was bullied for my race which I was born with because society in general deem my race less inferior or association with some negative racists stereotype it would be slightly different then being bullied for not having the right clothers or social skills to fit in with the neighborhood kids.


Furthermore, to say its reverse racism how did you get to that?????/, Reverse racism(the term it self should not be used as racism is just racism and to specific a difference seems to be a divisive and problematic, ) The term itself which has arose in the climate of anti PC mantra means when someone from the majority group individually receives racism. To have one term for the majority and one for the minorities seems to incite a 'them and us' mentality, which is one of the causes of racism in the first place!!!!!!

Furthermore, there are countless cases of bullying in the news which receive headline treatment, which itself features most of the of the time people from the majority group of that society, remember the media have their own agenda. A different example but of the same vein; kids who are from the majority group who go missing are more likely to be featured in the news coverage than missing kids from the minority groups. Hence, why i think people constant citing reverse racism particularly in context of the media most of the time are wide of the mark and as I said racism is just racism, personally I don't differentiate a difference what race a person is for the use of terms racism or reverse racism I just call it racism. take care
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Sarcastic Dots
Sarcastic Dots: Why aren't all murders reported on the news?
Why aren't all rapes reported on the news?
Why aren't all assaults reported on the news?

Trying to justify your argument with an embittered response about your youth is an awful idea. Times change and society moves on. Nobody cares what it was like when you were a kid, or the lack of coverage about bullying, but we do presently care about it.

I'm sure, if I could be bothered, I could found hundreds of BBC articles about assaulst and bullying that are totally unrelated to religion.

"Saying her case is more important than any other is reverse racism"

What kind of weird spin is this? In a court of law the motivation behind the attack is examined, as well as the act itself. Are the courts racist because they examine the motivation behind an attack?

Reverse racism would be basing your opinion of the British or non-muslims on the attackers. Nobody is saying that, so I have no idea why you decided to chuck that accusation around. Also, at what point is this attack deemed MORE important than any other assault?
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davidk14
davidk14: .

I was attacked when I was young because of racism. I was beaten a number of times. I never reported it. I was threatened with death; my family was threatened with death.

Once my father found out about it, he went nuts. He was so mad at me for hiding the assaults. He did not go to the police; he did not go to the news media.

He took me to a school which taught me self defense….not offense…self defense. A period of time had passed since my last beating. The ‘bully’ emerged from the darkness. I practiced what I had learned.

1) Do not engage – Negotiate. If that does not work, disengage.
2) If disengagement is not possible…
3) Win

This bully tried to physically engage. He ended up on the ground hurt and bleeding. I never threw a punch. This sent a message and this bully did not try to engage again.

After the attempted assault on my person, I remembered something my father had told me. If I ever came home beat up again, the assaulter better look worse than me. Very motivating.

A year later, this same bully tried to engage again…but not alone…he had two others with him.

1) Do not engage – Negotiate. If that does not work, disengage.
2) If disengagement is not possible…
3) Win

One down, two to go.
Two down, one to go.
Three down.

As the police cars pulled up, the police identified, 3 down, one standing. Once the officers questioned the assailants, myself and other witnesses, I was not detained.

Since that time, I have been able to disengage.

There were a few times that I came to the aid of some who were about to be assaulted and was able to disengage…through ‘negotiating’ from a position of strength, not weakness or fear.

Lesson…Never fight if you can disengage, but if disengagement is not possible…win.

"Blaming the wolf would not help the sheep much. The sheep must learn not to fall into the clutches of the wolf."

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RahGuzaR
RahGuzaR: Rich Muslim vows to pay all French burka fines
Flamboyant Rachid Nekkaz pledges E1m to pay fines of French Muslim women caught wearing the full veil.

Bravo Braovo Bravo !!
Way to go Nekkaz
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Lora123
Lora123: Why don't muslim men wear burkas? Why don't muslim men need the permission of a female relative to leave the house?
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Lora123
Lora123: Response to Lavender Star:

I was bullied for a reason I could neither change nor hide: I was an extremely small child for my age. Children in grade four saw a child in grade seven with no friends who was smaller than them and couldn't resist the temptation to assault me. They were not alone. Were these children engaging in "small-ism"? No, they were just being cruel.

Racism is the act of depriving someone of a benefit because of their race / religion / etcetera. Reverse racism is giving someone a benefit because of their inclusion in one of those groups. That is equally wrong.
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Sarcastic Dots
Sarcastic Dots: "Blaming the wolf would not help the sheep much. The sheep must learn not to fall into the clutches of the wolf."

That's fine, but there is no reason to sue for assault AND take up self-defence training. I really don't want these people walking around on my streets free to do as they please.

We all remember the last time a bunch of thugs went around with an agenda with a totally ineffective police force. Those brown coats were merely bullies, those communists and jews should have just, like, got over it. Pussies.

Let's not beat around the bush here, if attacks like this are tolerated then they'll spread.

"The term 'islamiphobia' has been invented by muslims who refuse to acknowledge that many muslims are doing terrible things these days."

So is antisemitism, OBVIOUSLY. We can all agree that we can never use antisemitism again, can't we?
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Lora123
Lora123: Response to RahGuzaR:

If you believe that restrictions on women that are not placed on men are an acceptable thing; a good thing for women, then think of it this way...

Everyone wishes for a long life. But if you lived in Afghanistan under the taliban, would you rather live 100 years as a woman, or thirty years as a man?

You did nothing to become a man. It was not due to any achievement on your part. It was simply a random coincidence of your parents' reproduction systems. Why should any decision about how your life is controlled be based on something like that.

Regarding women as possessions who are controlled under a different set of rules than men amounts to nothing more than slavery. It is wrong. Culture, religion, local customs... none of these are a valid reason to excuse this attitude. What ever is necessary must be done to extinguish this kind of evil, no matter where in the world it exists.

In the past, wars were fought to end slavery. It was a long, bloody world-wide struggle, but eventually the evil of slavery was wiped from this planet. Today, good people are fighting wars to end the belief that women are somehow less than men. This will also eventually end in success.
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Lora123
Lora123: Response to Sarcastic Dots:

No act of thuggery should go unpunished. Whether someone is assaulted for being gay, being black, being muslim or simply for being an easy target. It is all wrong.
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One Bar
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lavendar_star
lavendar_star: @Lora, Reverse racism is giving someone a benefit because of their inclusion in one of those groups. That is equally wrong.fine so how does this relate to your complaint about the young girl being attacked for her religion. There are plenty of stories of white people, black people and Asian people being attacked. Are you suggesting no groups of people stories should be mentioned in the news or only stories regarding majority groups???? The news media use particular factors for highlighting stories in the press, like you said people get bullied all the time, luckily people don't get attacked in the street for being muslin hence why its being highlighted as it could be reflected of certain trend.

Your comparison still doesn't make sense like you said you picked of being small, just like people are picked on for being fat or being so called ugly etc but there is a difference for randomly being attacked in the street for you race or religion particularity if their is atmosphere of hostility, which there is of that group that the victim comes from.

Also were your bullies influenced because of there parents or society in general didn't like small people or because there was negative stereotypes or coverage in the media about small people???? Well the perpetrators of the attack on the Muslim girl properly were influenced by their parent negative perspective of Muslim people or from repeated negative coverage or generalisation of Muslim people i.e. all terrorists or all want to hurt western people.

Also you are no longer small, but people who are of a particular race can not change it and people who are from a particular religion groups shouldn't have to change religion because of fear of being attacked, just like someone who gets attacked for being gay can not stop being gay. There is a difference but if you refuse to see that it because of your personal experience of your past, well that means your argument is from a emotive perspective rather than a logical one. take care
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cuarl
cuarl: what are you talking about lavender?
She got picked on for being different. That muslim girl got picked on for being different.
How can you rate it differently? In school it should be more important to deal with the muslim girls being picked on then whatever other "minorities" being picked on? If so, then yea that is reverse racism or whatever -ism.
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