China Bans All TV & Film That Show Time Travel (Page 2)

Comrade_: WTF does what I aforement shows that I have no problem with government control of the airwaves?

..I mean if you can insinuate stuff I guess it is only fair that I do to right?

Comrade_: ...If you are as yet confused, then I suggest you read all my responses on this thread.

Comrade_: Question by Fog was raised on If the MY government bans hollywood movies' genres what would be my position.

My answer: -'My position would be "who cares?" Life would go on without Hollywood movies, MAYBE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE OTHER FILM INDUSTRIES AROUND THE WORLD? WITH OTHER GENRES...I swear I'm not making this up.

Twisted by DavidK to mean -'you clearly admit that you have no problem with governments controlling free speech.

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Did I miss anything?

Comrade_: ok straight forward answers:

Do you agree with government taking control of the airwaves?
-No, but the reality is the airwaves are control, I will get some programmes that you'll not be able to get and vice-versa. The line is drawn when it is done for a political agenda. You mightn't see it but some Governments do have control over what is shown/ told on the airwaves and what should/shouldn't be told to the public. (It has happened in the US around WW2) That's the reality.

Do you agree with redistribution of wealth?

-I agree to everyone having an equal oppertunity to the wealth, that governments should pay their workers fairly. Presently we have a minor situation where trade unions are demanding pay increase (which is reasonable since the economy is booming and the last pay increase is long over due) but the government still holds back. You pay the veterans/ retirees fairly, that reflects that economic growth. Other countries will have things differently because they can't afford it.

FogofWar: "My position would be "who cares?""

So you wouldn't care if your government didn't allow you to watch any science fiction movies? Or maybe your favourite cartoon? Or even a comedy that reflects poorly on the values of your culture? Who cares huh? Ironic.


"Life would go on without Hollywood movies, maybe you don't understand that there are other film industries around the world?"

This ban isn't about banning Hollywood. Maybe you don't realize that Hollywood makes billions more from movies that don't feature time travel than by those that do. All other film industries would be subject to this ban too pal. It has nothing to do with Hollywood.


"Answer me honestly Fog, do you miss 'Panulit-type movies'? the World banned it 3 years ago."

Panulit-type? The world did huh? Well, unless it features real murder; rape or any other illegal act deemed too violent to show on television; it sure wasn't banned here in Canada pal.


"So david are you saying Abortion shouldn't be legalized?"

Typical fashion of a person incapable of making valid points in their defence: deflect the topic elsewhere. Abortion is legal here in Canada pal. If you want; you can ask a girl I know who had one how she feels about that…but you'd be surprised what her response would be.


"..I mean if you can insinuate stuff I guess it is only fair that I do to right?"


WTF does what I aforement shows that I have no problem with government control of the airwaves?

My position would be "who cares?""

Your posts are getting less and less logical on a daily basis caveman. We don't even need to oppose your statements; you do it enough on your own.

"…If you are as yet confused, then I suggest you read all my responses on this thread."

I would recommend that you do the same.



"Question by Fog was raised on If the MY government bans hollywood movies' genres what would be my position."

For someone who likes to tell others not to insinuate; you sure do a lot of it yourself. I never asked what your response would be to banning Hollywood movies. This thread has never been about Hollywood movies. My question was whether you would be indifferent if another government, like the US for example, started banning genres of television or movies based on their ideals and not yours.


In the words of Caveman:

"This is why it is best not to jump into a conversation…Maybe if you asked questions instead of insinuating then you'd understand the point of my statement?"

Sound advice; may I suggest listening to it?


"Twisted by DavidK to mean -'you clearly admit that you have no problem with governments controlling free speech."

Not twisted at all. I asked if you would be okay with the US government controlling free speech through movies and television. I mentioned NOTHING about Hollywood movies.

I said: "One can only wonder what your position would be if it were the US government making this ban Caveman. Would you still say it wouldn't matter to the people???"

Topic of the thread: "China Bans All TV and Film That Show Time Travel"

In the words of Caveman:

"This is why it is best not to jump into a conversation…Maybe if you asked questions instead of insinuating then you'd understand the point of my statement?"



It isn't David twisting anything; it is you. David asked exactly what I was…and your response to the question of what your opinion would be if the US government banned specific ideas from television was:

"My position would be "who cares?""


"Did I miss anything?"

Yes, clearly.


"-No, but the reality is the airwaves are control, I will get some programmes that you'll not be able to get and vice-versa."

Unlikely. The only reason we don't get the same programs as you in Canada is because we do not have the copyrights to them. It has nothing to do with government censorship.

FogofWar: So let me ask you this question again caveman.


"One can only wonder what your position would be if it were the US government making this ban (banning TV and shows that show time travel) Caveman. Would you still say it wouldn't matter to the people???

younlee: Im glad i dont live in China...Terminator is about to start on BBC1

FogofWar: "Paying tax money to veterans and retirees is a debt and does not generate money. Government is a non-profit organization."

Yes David; however that organization is protected by those veterans. While giving money to them does not generate growth; I don't really see it as a 'debt'. Maybe a 'debt' that is owed. Had it not been for those vets; there wouldn't be a government; and that tax money would be going elsewhere. I've seen far too many vets end up shafted by the system to see this as a 'debt'. Those who serve and get injured; end up depending on the system that turned their back on them because they were a financial burden…and Canada's military is the 2nd highest paid in the world. I make more in a year than an American soldier with twice my time in; and twice my experience. I make more in 6 months of deployment than an American soldier would make in a year of deployment.

I understand your point; but again; I think this is one of those debts that is earned by their actions.

Comrade_: @ David,

Here we have oil, etc. That is the money I was thinking to be redistributed. Here we organised and might run differently from the US. The public sector gets a pay increase of a certain percentage, the negotiation is between the Government and the trade union leaders, each sector has their own 'negotiator' (from Police to regular public servants). It is not about "if you're not satisfied then find another job" we don't work that way here, here we negotiate a percentage.
The private sector's pay is formed from the Public sector's pay as a form of guideline.
My country isn't in debt, we have resources and not depend on taxes.

FogofWar: I'm still waiting on my answer.

Comrade_: What answer? I don't respond to trolling, if you want to copy & paste things out of contents then go ahead.

FogofWar: aww...caveman is getting upset that he cannot answer my simple question.

Comrade_: I'm not upset..I'm still amused that you still believe that I read your long post where you take things out of contexts.

FogofWar: If you had bothered to pay attention; you would know that it was you that took it out of context. Don't worry caveman; every group needs their fool.

FogofWar: Did you find where I asked you about your country banning Hollywood yet? Maybe you should try reading that post before you continue to look foolish.

Comrade_: I respond to "make-up" questions with "make-up" answers.
David asked a straight forward question, I gave him a straight forward answer.
I give a troll answer to a troll question.
I answer vague questions with vague answers.

Any more questions? If you want to know my straight forward opinion go back a few pages.

FogofWar: And the fool makes another appearance.
Okay, how about we break it down since you clearly refuse to "read" the post that made you look like such a fool earlier.

I said:

"One can only wonder what your position would be if it were the US government making this ban Caveman. Would you still say it wouldn't matter to the people???"


Caveman said:

"My position would be "who cares?" Life would go on without Hollywood movies, maybe you don't understand that there are other film industries around the world? With other genres...I swear I'm not making this up."

…did you see anything in my question about Hollywood movies?


David responded:

"So Caveman, are you saying you have no problem with government control of the airwaves?"

I was asking you what your attitude would be if the US government controlled the content on the airwaves. David did not spin anything. He simply clarified EXACTLY what I previously asked.


Caveman replied:

"So david are you saying Abortion shouldn't be legalized?"

…so much for straight forward answers to straight forward questions.


Caveman said:

"Question by Fog was raised on If the MY government bans hollywood movies' genres what would be my position."

Again my question was:

"One can only wonder what your position would be if it were the US government making this ban Caveman. Would you still say it wouldn't matter to the people???"


Note the ban is referring to the main topic of this forum "China Bans All TV & Film That Show Time Travel".

I'm still waiting for the answer by the way; as you clearly misunderstood it while you were harping at David for twisting the topic in which he was directly on.

Don't worry caveman; unlike you I don't demand an apology for you misreading MY question...even though it was worded correctly

Comrade_: FOG statment: "One can only wonder what your position would be if it were the US government making this ban Caveman. Would you still say it wouldn't matter to the people???"

MY REASONING OF THAT QUESTION: IF the US government makes a ban on fictional films like I said: it wouldn't affect me, LIFE WOULD GO ON, I DON'T LIVE IN THE US, there would be OTHER FILM INDUSTRIES outside of Hollywood [obviously if the US government bans fictional films for 3 mths, THAT would mean no more Hollywood fictional genres for the world BUT only Hollywood films] or were you just trolling and thinking I'd bash the US if they made the same decision? I would watch OTHER film industries and OTHER genres.


There was no such thing as 'Panulit-type movies'- that supports my answer that when something is taken out you don't miss IT, if the US bans FICTIONAL movies then I'd NOT MISS HOLLYWOOD or fictional GENRES.

Once again in your anger, you miss the point, THIS situation with CHINA has nothing to do with genres of movies being banned, it is cut for 3 months for them to play a 3 month long special on it's Government (that is what I read on BBC). There are deeper issues there than just removing movie-GENRES.


You ask a fictional question, I gave you an answer based on that fictional question.
David gave me a specific serious question & I gave him a specific serious answer.

--Apology accepted Fog

Comrade_: PS Fog:

David says: So Caveman, are you saying you have no problem with government control of the airwaves.

†TheCaveman†: So david are you saying Abortion shouldn't be legalized?

davidk14: WTF does abortion have to do with the government taking control of the airwaves? Answer this question first. Abortion has nothing to do with the airwaves or China controlling their airwaves.

†TheCaveman† :"WTF does what I aforement shows that I have no problem with government control of the airwaves?

..I mean if you can insinuate stuff I guess it is only fair that I do to right?"

It's not my fault you don't pick up on sarcasm Fog, David question but a rhetorical question based on what he saw by your twisted question and my response. Just as mine wasn't a straight question, he got what I meant my it...why is it my fault that you took it literally?


-Next Apology accepted.