China Bans All TV & Film That Show Time Travel (Page 3)

Comrade_
Comrade_: Another thing to note: Unlike some other countries (US, UK, France, etc) China's STATE agencies OWNS & RUNS the media. The government can be described as a communist and socialist type government, but also as authoritarian you can't compare it to democracy when IT isn't. If you say China's government bans a certain genre of movie (permanently/temporarily), it CAN'T have the same answer as if any other democratic -type government bans the same thing because it is PRIVATELY owned.
Isn't there a difference between a Government TAKING CONTROL of the airwaves verses a Government OWNING/RUNNING the airwaves?
The first one would be for the democratic-type governments (they'll be taking control over something that is privately run) and the second will be for the communist-type governments (they actually are the ones who are running the media).
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FogofWar
FogofWar: Famous caveman quotes:

"But you'd not admit that you get the point after I explained it, because you're not strong enough to admit you misunderstood the entire statement and seek to argue instead of getting clarity."

Oh the irony of your ways is astounding.


"MY REASONING OF THAT QUESTION: IF the US government makes a ban on fictional films like I said: it wouldn't affect me…"

"Question by Fog was raised on If the MY government bans hollywood movies' genres what would be my position."

Clearly you have no such reasoning.

My question was simple…would you feel indifferent if the US were to ban free speech on television; or would you be crying about the oppression? It's clear to everyone here what your position would have been. We needn't an answer from you to know that one. But your "reasoning" is that it wouldn't affect you, so you wouldn't care. How did the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki affect you caveman? So do you not care that it happened?


"[obviously if the US government bans fictional films for 3 mths, THAT would mean no more Hollywood fictional genres for the world BUT only Hollywood films]"

Obviously, since I made no mention of Hollywood; it would mean no such thing. It would mean that the US would ban airing such films; from Hollywood or from foreign nations. I never said anything about Hollywood; you did.


"There was no such thing as 'Panulit-type movies'- that supports my answer that when something is taken out you don't miss IT"

No, that reinforces the answer that when something doesn't exist; you don't miss it.

"if the US bans FICTIONAL movies then I'd NOT MISS HOLLYWOOD or fictional GENRES."

I'll keep this in mind for further political debates of freedom. I'm sure it will come in handy.


"Once again in your anger, you miss the point,"

Yes…clearly amongst all my laughter at your attempt to prove yourself right and me wrong; even though you are saying the exact opposite in another thread in which you are attempting to do the very opposite; I am oh, so angry at a computer screen.

Oh yes…and clearly that 'anger' has made me miss the point that I made in what I stated and you misread.

"THIS situation with CHINA has nothing to do with genres of movies being banned, it is cut for 3 months for them to play a 3 month long special on it's Government (that is what I read on BBC). There are deeper issues there than just removing movie-GENRES."

That may be so; but the point in this topic is whether such a ban is taking away their freedoms. Yes there are deeper issues…like the US bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki…or the US invasions in the Middle East…or the US….. right?


"You ask a fictional question, I gave you an answer based on that fictional question.
David gave me a specific serious question & I gave him a specific serious answer.

--Apology accepted Fog"

Wow….try making sense every now and again caveman. I think you need to put the pipe down.

"It's not my fault you don't pick up on sarcasm Fog"

I pick up on sarcasm caveman…even when it is irrelevant and an attempt to turn attention away from your own statements contradicting your views. It's not my fault you cannot stick to an unbiased political stance outside the Unites States governing system.


"David question but a rhetorical question based on what he saw by your twisted question and my response. "

*hands caveman a shovel*; here; this will help make it faster.

"Just as mine wasn't a straight question, he got what I meant my it...why is it my fault that you took it literally?


-Next Apology accepted."

What are you, 10? Aww…I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings caveman. Did you need help out of that hole yet?
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FogofWar
FogofWar: Famous caveman quotes:

"But you'd not admit that you get the point after I explained it, because you're not strong enough to admit you misunderstood the entire statement and seek to argue instead of getting clarity."

Oh the irony of your ways is astounding.


"The government can be described as a communist and socialist type government, but also as authoritarian you can't compare it to democracy when IT isn't."

I see no one doing this. I only see you still trying to dig your way out of a hole.

I simply asked if you would feel indifferent about such an act of oppression if it were to happen in the US. You have time and again expressed such concern with oppression in western worlds…yet then express indifference about it actually happening in China. I simply asked, no government involved; if you would feel indifferent about this form of removal of free speech happening in the US.


"Isn't there a difference between a Government TAKING CONTROL of the airwaves verses a Government OWNING/RUNNING the airwaves?"

No…not really. Both would be an act of oppression. But nice to see you defend China for oppressing it's people when you constantly condemn the US for what you wish to see as oppression.

…don't worry caveman…many people on here don't want to debate either..they just like to slam the west because they have nothing better to do than whine about not having enough freedom. You're not alone.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: Famous caveman quotes:

"But you'd not admit that you get the point after I explained it, because you're not strong enough to admit you misunderstood the entire statement and seek to argue instead of getting clarity."

Oh the irony of your ways is astounding.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: The US Government isn't MY Government, what happens there wouldn't affect me (unless you can show that their banning of something can affect me go ahead). Why are you arguing about people caring aren't you the one who said: "yet wireclubbers here whine about their own nation oppressing them. Could you imagine if those people lived in a place like China; where they don't have the liberties so many here take for granted? " Aren't you the one that 'whine' about others who have problems with their government? And say they shouldn't 'whine' cause someone else have it worse? Then why are you trying to pull my comment out of context when you yourself don't care?



All your apologizes are accepted and I see that you're turning into trolling, are you still butt-hurt over that Hiroshima debate? Get over it
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Comrade_
Comrade_: (Copies & Paste everything I explained once again)


...saves me time.
Si, feel free to follow me around and quote me in different threads Foggy.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: btw you made it clear that you're ONLY addressing the issue of the Government of China banning programmes and not on the deeper issues, then why would this argument matter if BBC says that the ban is only for 3months prior to the anniversary of the party? 3 months doesn't seem as taking away freedom does it?
David's question was based on the deeper issue that is the Government controlling the airwaves. Maybe next time you'd ask a deeper question instead of trolling? I can also answer as a troll Though unlike you I don't pat myself on the back when I do it.

ALL Apologizes are accepted Fog, I forgive you. HAAHAHAHAhaha
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FogofWar
FogofWar: Caveman said:

"The US Government isn't MY Government,"

"Question by Fog was raised on If the MY government bans hollywood movies' genres what would be my position."

Fogofwar said:

"One can only wonder what your position would be if it were the US government making this ban Caveman. Would you still say it wouldn't matter to the people???"

…and you say David was twisting things?


"what happens there wouldn't affect me (unless you can show that their banning of something can affect me go ahead)."

So, what was your opinion again about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?


"Why are you arguing about people caring aren't you the one who said: "yet wireclubbers here whine about their own nation oppressing them."


actually, what I said was:

"…don't worry caveman…many people on here don't want to debate either..they just like to slam the west because they have nothing better to do than whine about not having enough freedom. You're not alone."




"Aren't you the one that 'whine' about others who have problems with their government?"

Laughing at you for seeing problems that do not exist with the liberties of the freest nations on Earth is far from whining buddy.


"And say they shouldn't 'whine' cause someone else have it worse?"

…and would you not agree with this?

"Then why are you trying to pull my comment out of context when you yourself don't care?"

Actually, I made a simple comment; and you took it out of context. It was a rhetorical question; poking fun at the fact that you are so quick to criticize the US for their acts of 'oppressing liberties', yet state indifference at China doing just that.


"All your apologizes are accepted and I see that you're turning into trolling, are you still butt-hurt over that Hiroshima debate? Get over it"

Clearly your ideals of debate are as fantasy based as that of your politics. What Hiroshima and Nagasaki debate? The one you said would not end well; then got upset and stopped responding to when presented with facts?

"Si, feel free to follow me around and quote me in different threads Foggy."

It is not following you around when they are replies to my comments in other threads genius. If you don't want me to 'follow' your comments in other threads; then don't direct them to me in those forums.

"btw you made it clear that you're ONLY addressing the issue of the Government of China banning programmes and not on the deeper issues, then why would this argument matter if BBC says that the ban is only for 3months prior to the anniversary of the party?"

how is this deeper? A ban is a ban; temporary or not. Yes; it does change the context of it…but it doesn't change the fact that they are banning selective types of shows now does it? It really doesn't matter to me; I was simply pointing out a rhetoric about your hypocrisy.

"3 months doesn't seem as taking away freedom does it? "

You're right….if I were to take away your right to speak, your right to act, and your right to leave your house for 3 months; that clearly would not be taking away your freedom.

"David's question was based on the deeper issue that is the Government controlling the airwaves."

David's question was based on exactly what I was asking. But by all means; continue to act like you are correct.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: "Maybe next time you'd ask a deeper question instead of trolling? I can also answer as a troll Though unlike you I don't pat myself on the back when I do it."

"I respond to "make-up" questions with "make-up" answers."

"You ask a fictional question, I gave you an answer based on that fictional question.
David gave me a specific serious question & I gave him a specific serious answer.

--Apology accepted Fog"

"It's not my fault you don't pick up on sarcasm Fog,"

"-Next Apology accepted."

"But you'd not admit that you get the point after I explained it, because you're not strong enough to admit you misunderstood the entire statement and seek to argue instead of getting clarity."

"though unlike you I don't pat myself on the back when I do it.

ALL Apologizes are accepted Fog, I forgive you. HAAHAHAHAhaha"

…clearly.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: 1) My comments were aimed at other people, example Joc (in the China the sleeping dragon thread) Intro (in the Libya thread) and pretty much random in this thread. But if you're of the belief that all threads surround you then be my guess.

2) Laughing at you for seeing problems that do not exist with the liberties of the freest nations on Earth is far from whining buddy.
-All I did was answer your hypothetical question on "what if" the US banned.
"yet wireclubbers here whine about their own nation oppressing them. Could you imagine if those people lived in a place like China; where they don't have the liberties so many here take for granted? "

(This comment was your first comment and had nothing to do with anything I answered on) I'm showing you your view of people who demand more from their country, the ones you call 'whiners'. China has it better than the middle east, should we all use your reasoning and say they shouldn't complain because they have better? No.

3)The ban is a 3 month ban (source bbc), the Chinese government OWNS their media via state-run agencies.

4) I actually stopped commenting on the Hiroshima debate because I blocked you, if you noticed I only addressed David. Don't feel bad about it.

5 "You're right….if I were to take away your right to speak, your right to act, and your right to leave your house for 3 months; that clearly would not be taking away your freedom." -You were the one who said the issue of the thread is on the ban the movie genres and nothing else. Then why are you stating something else?

6)Your question: "One can only wonder what your position would be if it were the US government making this ban Caveman. Would you still say it wouldn't matter to the people???"
David's question: "So Caveman, let me ask you a few straight forward questions:
Do you agree with government taking control of the airwaves?"

-No, they are not the same thing.


I notice that you try to make me seem as anti-US, though I'm not. I question things, if you have a problem with my way of questioning things then how is that my problem? I see that you have lots of time on your hands, but I don't.

Adios, now I continue to block you.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: "1) My comments were aimed at other people, example Joc (in the China the sleeping dragon thread) Intro (in the Libya thread) and pretty much random in this thread. But if you're of the belief that all threads surround you then be my guess."

1. My comments have been directed at you in the same manner that your comments have been directed at others. Several forums I have posted in, you came into the conversation up to 10 pages in; and commented me directly in reference to what I was commenting to someone else. Open forums allow open discussions from more than two people; but I guess if you are under the impression that all threads surround you, then be my guest.


"2) Laughing at you for seeing problems that do not exist with the liberties of the freest nations on Earth is far from whining buddy.
-All I did was answer your hypothetical question on "what if" the US banned.
"yet wireclubbers here whine about their own nation oppressing them. Could you imagine if those people lived in a place like China; where they don't have the liberties so many here take for granted? ""

You did not answer the question. You answered a completely separate and irrelevant one because you either misunderstood the question; or simply acted in misunderstanding it so as not to show hypocrisy in your statements. Funny how annoyed you get when someone does the exact thing you do to them right back at you caveman.


"I'm showing you your view of people who demand more from their country, the ones you call 'whiners'."

I demand more from my country; yet I do not whine about it. David demands more from his country; yet he does not whine about it. SITS demands more from his country; yet he does not whine about it. Crying about the US nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki when it was unavoidable is whining. Commenting that our efforts in the Middle East are unjustified is whining. Actually going to your government and asking for changes is different. I have, and still do, posted several articles that pertain to our efforts overseas; and the things I would like to see change. I don't whine about it pal; I act.


"China has it better than the middle east, should we all use your reasoning and say they shouldn't complain because they have better? No."

Yet you do complain that we are involved in the Middle East.


"4) I actually stopped commenting on the Hiroshima debate because I blocked you, if you noticed I only addressed David. Don't feel bad about it."

It's not untypical for someone to block and ignore responding to someone who discredits your opinion on a topic you clearly fail to understand. It's okay….you sure did show how badly it would end for me huh?


"5 "You're right….if I were to take away your right to speak, your right to act, and your right to leave your house for 3 months; that clearly would not be taking away your freedom." -You were the one who said the issue of the thread is on the ban the movie genres and nothing else. Then why are you stating something else?"

I said that the forum was pertaining to the ban of select types of films in the form of oppressing free speech. Nice try though.
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leejonson
leejonson: what is free , what is right . you can say what you want ! and can show your own opinion without worrying about your safe and freedom. that the ture democracy . but i beg everybody here , we should talk less about this . i do not want some day i never log in this !
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Vessie
Vessie: do you know what makes me maddest about this? THEY CANT WATCH BACK TO THE FUTURE!!!!!!
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deuce916
deuce916: Ha ha.
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Rabbits88
Rabbits88: 1) China can watch Back to the Future....

2) Hong Kong scientists just recently proved that time travel is impossible.

3) this is the real Zheng Zhou.......


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Rabbits88
Rabbits88: ps: this thread is a joke.......99% of what's been said in this thread is all bs......one big lie......

how do I know? I live here.......I work here........that's how I know.

As Jackie Chan so clearly states.......China has changed........but obviously a lot in the west still are brainwashed and continue to believe the Western propaganda of the 50's, 60's and 70's.

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Rabbits88: PS: I have to laugh at David talking about the RMB being devalued.

Quite the opposite Dave. THE USA is putting a tremendous amount of pressure on China to unpeg their currency. By unpegging said currency, the RMB will gain value. Infact, it will go through the roof.

China has bit by bit relented to the USA's pressure and what has happened to the RMB with what little space the Chinese govt. gave their currency to move????? It's gone higher, much higher. Not lower..........and a strong currency is NOT in China's best interest for obvious reasons.

Please get your facts straight and do some research before commenting.

Stupid people really do irritate me.
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Rabbits88: and I further lmfao at the fogofwar.......he certainly is in a fog, isn't he?

To make it short and sweet.......I have more freedoms in China than you could ever dream about having in the West......period.
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Rabbits88
Rabbits88: 1) the Chinese govt. can do what they like. Your wording is wrong david.......you said "devalue". Devaluing a currency = making the currency WEAKER which is good for China. What China doesn't want is for their currency to get stronger.......this is why they have pegged it. Hope that cleared that up.

2) You can have as many kids as you would like in China David.......the 1 child policy is as follows.......

a) the govt. encourages you with various incentive programs offered to have only 1 child. This is due to a huge population of 1.4 billion and growing.

b) should you have more than 1 child, those same incentives are no longer available for child #2, 3, 4, etc.

c) the one-child policy has prevented 300 million births, the equivalent of the population of Europe. The reduction of population has helped pull people out of poverty and been a factor in China’s phenomenal economic growth.

d) In fact, a very famous slogan used by China's version of Planned Parenthood goes like this......"One is good, two is OK, three is too many."

e) the 1 child policy applies only to urban areas of China. Further, the govt. has implemented a so called amnesty for people having multiple children (no loss of incentives) so as the parents can then legally register said children.

f) a few of these incentives include receiving a glory certificate, which entitles them to economic benefits such as an extra month's salary every year until the child is 14. Among the other benefits for one child families are higher wages, interest-free loans, retirement funds, cheap fertilizer, better housing, better health care, and priority in school enrollment. Women who delay marriage until after they are 25 receive benefits such as an extended maternity leave when they finally get pregnant. These privileges are taken away if the couple decides to have an extra child.

g) the 1 child policy is VOLUNTARY!!!!!!!

Here's what makes you stupid David.........and btw, I can't stand stupid people and that means idiots like you.

Back to what makes you a dummy david..........you could have done the same research that I did on this subject. One click and a few minutes of reading is all that it would have taken. But your lazy dumb ass decided not to do that. Instead, you just made a dumb and totally false 1 liner comment in this thread because you probably "heard it from somewhere"

That's what makes you an idiot david Too bad we don't have the technology to be able to determine who will or will not be born dummies. If only we did, we can abort people like you.

Just saying.

PS: DO THE F UCKING RESEARCH NEXT TIME!!!!!
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Rabbits88: Bottom line.....no one is claiming China to be a utopia or to be a perfect country. There is no country on Earth that fits that category, especially the USA.

So, if you want to nitpick, go ahead......then we can talk about the USA.....you know......the LA riots........New Orleans.....George Bush.....healthcare, crime going through the roof, corruption, police abuse, high taxes, etc. etc. etc.

As I said, China is far from perfect. But with each passing day comes more change to China. And the change is always for the better. They were a sleeping dragon that has awakened.....and now they are booming.

What I am saying is that I have many more freedoms in China than I ever had in the USA. Many more......I have always been able to do whatever I wanted to do at any time that I wanted to do it. I have never had the police come up to me and stop me from pursuing my activities.......I have never had any knocks on my door from government authorities.

China is no more a communist country........the only thing communist about china is the name of their political party.

You can live where you want, work where you want, own and operate your own business, etc. etc. etc.
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Rabbits88: Here's an interview with Steve Wynn.......for those of you with your heads in the sand, Steve Wynn is worth a few billion dollars.......he owns many mega resorts and Casinos in Lasvegas, Macau and throughout the world.

He is a friend of my family.

In the interview, he lambasts the USA for being unstable and erratic. He further goes on to state that it is China that is the stable country.

He now makes his home in Macau, China. David, he is a westerner. Why on earth would he choose to live here under so called "oppresive" conditions????? Answer......he doesn't have to.

I am a westerner. I too can choose to live wherever I want to in this world.....if I were not free to do as I want to do, believe me, I wouldn't live here.......but I do live here.....why? Because Asia today offers the highest quality of living found anywhere on Earth........and that's all I care about.



The brother of the President of the United States of America, Barack Obama lives here in China. He is an American. Yet he chooses to live here. Do you actually believe that if he didn't have freedom that he would live here? lololololololol



There are millions upon millions of ex-pat westerners living in Asia. Why? Because they are smarter than you and they can afford to live here where as you probably can't afford to even buy a plane ticket to get here. They figured it out that the quality of life in Asia is far superior than that offered in the West. They did their research.....unlike you.

My good friend, Barry Cox lives here......He is a superstar in China.......he would not live anywhere else..........opportunities are endless here according to him......and he's right......

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