Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden:Dead (Page 2)

Kaizoe: So the best way to deal with an enemy is to cry "havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war, hope that there is no collateral damage when they blindly attack what we call an enemy?

davidk14: .

The enemy is trying to kill you, your family and everyone you know and love. The enemy has proven that they are committed to your destruction. You are left with only one option. Kill him first before he kills you.

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hard_candy: I am glad he is dead. F&%@ him, shame they didn't castrate him first.

chronology: SITS was right, the Conspiracy B.S. has already started on the Web. 'It was a friend of Bin Laden, not Bin Laden who was killed' is the most common wacky theory. The Americans seem to have settled the matter with D.N.A. analysis.

Another point being raised is how Bin Laden could have lived as long as he did next to the Pakistani equivalent of West Point and no one noticed him.

A Pakistani Professor in Washington finds it impossible for such a tall, wealthy foreigner to have lived in a large Mansion and the District Authorities to have known nothing about him; 'we need to remember we do not know the facts about Bin Laden's movements lately, he may have just moved into the Mansion from somewhere else'. A former high ranking British MI6 Officer agreed; 'we just do not know the facts yet, so we should not be making judgments about who knew what about who'.

The American Special Forces who brought Mr Bin Laden to Justice are being praised around the world by people of all walks of life.

StuckInTheSixties: Notice to readers:

chronology is a repeated proven liar, that posts all sorts of fictional bullshit that he just makes up. He is a holocaust denying sick bucket of scum.

Please do not, in any way, make any association between him and me.

In fact, he just made up shit in his previous post. Notice that he quotes "a Pakistani Professor in Washington" but fails to give him a name, or say where the quote came from.

A Google search on that quote reveals nothing. It's made up.

Same thing for his quote from an unnamed, unsourced "former high ranking British MI6 Officer." A Google search on that provides no results. Because it's made up.

This is what chrolonogy does. He just makes shit up.

Kaizoe: A multitude of different inside sources both publicly and privately, including one individual who personally worked with Bin Laden at one time, told us directly that Osama’s dead corpse has been on ice for nearly a decade and that his “death” would only be announced at the most politically expedient time.

That time has now come with a years-old fake picture being presented as the only evidence of his alleged killing yesterday, while Bin Laden’s body has been hastily dumped into the sea to prevent anyone from finding out when he actually died.

In April 2002, over nine years ago, Council on Foreign Relations member Steve R. Pieczenik, who served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, and James Baker, told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months”.

Pieczenik would be in a position to know such information, having worked directly with Bin Laden when the US was funding and arming the terror leader in an attempt to drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan in the late 70′s and early 80′s (a documented historical fact that talking heads in the corporate media are actually denying today in light of developments).

“I found out through my sources that he had had kidney disease. And as a physician, I knew that he had to have two dialysis machines and he was dying,” Pieczenik told Jones during the April 24, 2002 interview.

“And you could see those in those films, those made-up photos that they were sending us out of nowhere. I mean, suddenly, we would see a video of bin Laden today and then out of nowhere, they said oh it was sent to us anonymously, meaning that someone in the government, our government, was trying to keep up the morale on our side and say oh we still have to chase this guy when, in fact, he’s been dead for months,” added Pieczenik.

Pieczenik then stated that the video tape of a fat Bin Laden look alike “taking responsibility” for 9/11 that was released in December 2001 was “such a hoax” designed to “manipulate” people in the emotional aftermath of 9/11.

The subsequent war in Afghanistan that followed 9/11 was orchestrated “With the agreement of the bin Laden family, knowing fully well that he would die,” said Pieczenik. “And I think that Musharraf, the President of Pakistan, spilled the beans by accident three months ago when he said that bin Laden was dead because his kidney dialysis machines were destroyed in East Afghanistan.”

In addition to Pieczenik, as we reported in August 2002, Alex Jones was separately told by a high level Republican source that Bin Laden was dead and that his body was being kept “on ice” until Osama’s death could be announced at the most “politically expedient” time.

When Jones asked the source if his claim was mere speculation or whether it was actually true, the source re-iterated the fact that he was being deadly serious and that Bin Laden’s corpse was “physically on ice” waiting to be rolled out for public consumption at the most opportune moment.

Many expected that moment to be right before the 2004 election, but after Democrats began speculating about the possibility, Republicans settled instead for a fake Osama video tape that was released on the eve of the election and, according to both George W. Bush and John Kerry, was the deciding factor in a closely-fought contest. Veteran news reader Walter Cronkite labeled the entire farce a Karl Rove-orchestrated “set-up”.

Kaizoe: In addition to these sources, a deluge of other heads of state as well as intelligence agency professionals have gone on record over the past nine years to state their belief that Bin Laden was likely dead, after it became clear that the Al-Qaeda leader’s health was in severe decline as a result of kidney disease at the end of 2001. These include;

- Former CIA officer and hugely respected intelligence & foreign policy expert Robert Baer, who in 2008 when asked about Bin Laden by a radio host responded, “Of course he is dead.”

- On December 26, 2001, Fox News, citing a Pakistan Observer story, reported that the Afghan Taliban had pronounced Bin Laden dead and buried him in an unmarked grave.

- On January 18, 2002, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf announced: “I think now, frankly, he is dead.”

- On July 17, 2002, the then-head of counterterrorism at the FBI, Dale Watson, told a conference of law enforcement officials that “I personally think he [Bin Laden] is probably not with us anymore.”

- In October 2002, Afghan President Hamid Karzai told CNN that “I would come to believe that [Bin Laden] probably is dead.

- In 2003, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright told Fox News Channel analyst Morton Kondracke she suspected Bush knew the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden and was waiting for the most politically expedient moment to announce his capture.

- In November 2005, Senator Harry Reid revealed that he was told Osama may have died in the Pakistani earthquake of October that year.

- In February 2007, Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University’s Religious Studies program, stated that the purported video and audio tapes that were being released of Bin Laden were fake and that he was probably dead.

- On November 2, 2007, former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto told Al-Jazeera’s David Frost that Omar Sheikh had killed Osama Bin Laden.

- In March 2009, former US foreign intelligence officer and professor of international relations at Boston University Angelo Codevilla stated: “All the evidence suggests Elvis Presley is more alive today than Osama Bin Laden.”

- In May 2009, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari confirmed that his “counterparts in the American intelligence agencies” hadn’t heard anything from Bin Laden in seven years and confirmed “I don’t think he’s alive.”

In a way, the establishment had their hand forced in having to announce the death of someone whose shadowy existence had proven very useful to them in maintaining fear and uncertainty amongst the population of America and the world.

The fact that the myth behind Al-Qaeda has been completely demolished and that the group, through a myriad of revelations, including Anwar Al-Alawki’s post-9/11 visit to the Pentagon, is now widely known to be a US intelligence front, perhaps now means that Al-Qaeda will be swept under the rug and a new enemy will be invented in order to legitimize the continued US military-complex domination of the globe.

Kaizoe: Killing Osama bin Laden is a pretty big deal. You’d think that it would be in the interests of US forces to take a snapshot of the elusive terror leader to milk the propaganda value of such a momentous turn of events, and yet the corporate media has given us nothing but a years old fake picture. This makes little sense, unless of course, somebody is trying to hide something, namely the fact that Osama’s dead corpse has been on ice for the best part of a decade.

According to some reports, Bin Laden’s body has already been hastily “buried at sea,” meaning that the comic book story of his dramatic killing is based solely on the less than credible word of the U.S. government.

Of course, it’s probable that we’ll be treated to seeing all the gory details in due course once Osama’s corpse has been properly thawed and suitably presented for public consumption.

But the fake photo, which is still being used by the likes of the Daily Mail and the London Telegraph even after it was proven to be a contrived hoax that has been circulating on the Internet for years, fits perfectly with everything surrounding the Bin Laden myth – the fake video tapes, the fake audio tapes, the fake claim of responsibility for 9/11.

Everything about the Bin Laden myth that has been rapaciously whipped up by the establishment over the last 10 years has been fake, so why worry about putting out a fake photo and claiming it represents the freshly dead remains of the world’s most wanted?

We don’t need MSNC to tell us, “We think that bin Laden ‘death photo’ is a fake,” because we know it’s a fake. It’s been knocking around on the web since before Obama even took office. Here it is featured in a story released over a year ago. As Stokes Young illustrates, the bloodied face of Bin Laden is an obviously contrived composite image created from an image of Osama that dates back over 10 years.

But that didn’t stop TV news stations across the Middle East, as well as major newspapers in Britain like the Daily Mail and the London Telegraph, amongst a host of others, from passing the fraud off as evidence of Bin Laden’s death.

Despite the fact that Bin Laden’s corpse has almost undoubtedly been safely stored in a highly secure U.S. government morgue since at least 2002, the political grist to be enjoyed by an administration that has plummeted to the depths of unpopularity knows no bounds, which is why Obama victoriously proclaimed Osama’s “death ” during a speech last night almost as if the president himself had pulled the trigger.

The birther controversy and NATO’s indiscriminate murder of children in their pursuit of Colonel Gaddafi will now be swept under the rug and Obama can build his campaign for 2012 on the lie that he was the president who finally brought the evil boogeyman to justice.

Never mind the fact that numerous public officials went on the record to plainly state that Bin Laden has been dead for years and that the announcement of his demise was being kept back until the most politically expedient time.

As Kurt Nimmo and Alex Jones document, from FBI counterterrorism official Dale Watson, to former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, to Pakistani icon Benazir Bhutto, to CFR members, to Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, all voiced publicly what the evidence clearly indicated, which is that Bin Laden died in late 2001.

The fact that a deluge of provably fake video and audio tapes were released by an organization with direct ties to the Pentagon in the years that followed illustrated how the military-industrial complex was keen to prolong the Bin Laden boogeyman myth as a backdrop against which to launch their takeover of the middle east under the umbrella of the “war on terror”.

Kaizoe: But don’t think for a minute that final “confirmation” of Osama’s death will mean an end to the “war on terror” and U.S. troops pulling out of Afghanistan, just as the capture of Saddam Hussein did absolutely nothing to speed a U.S. exit out of Iraq.

If anything, the announcement of Osama’s death will only lead to more warfare and bloodshed in the region. Whether genuine or contrived, terrorist retaliation plots are already in the works and when they are unleashed, the establishment will point to them as a justification for more air strikes, more invasions and more regime change plots disguised as humanitarian aid.

In life, Bin Laden’s propaganda value as an Emmanuel Goldstein hate figure was immense, but in death his usefulness to the US military-industrial complex will, for a time at least, only increase.

StuckInTheSixties: If you're gonna copy/paste, you really ought to credit your source instead of presenting it as your own words. It was written by British comedian/conspiracy crackpot Paul Joseph Watson.

This junk is being repeated word-for-word on dozens of nutty conspiracy websites.

davidk14: .

Tauk...pure crap.

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Kaizoe: I didn't give the source because it's not needed. There is enough stuff in the articles to be able to google it and find the author of them.

"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories!" to para-phrase the last puppet in the oval office.

Isn't it a little weird that one of the most hunted men in history was found and killed around the same date (the day after?) that histories most hated man was killed? Not many days after the huge marriage in the British royal house? A marriage on the same date (or close at least) as Hitler and Braun. A family that openly supported Hitler, a family of direct German descent.
Is it not a bit weird that when the opinion about a powerful leader slopes there is a great event like this, or even a smaller just so they can go out with a little moral boost speech and get their opinion up a few notches for a week or so?

There are seldom random events, there is seldom something that happens by chance.

StuckInTheSixties: TauKiloOmega says:
"Isn't it a little weird that one of the most hunted men in history was found and killed around the same date (the day after?) that histories most hated man was killed?"

There are two OBVIOUS errors in that statement.

Can you find them?

TauKiloOmega says:
"There are seldom random events, there is seldom something that happens by chance."

That might be the stupidest thing I've ever read in Wireclub ...

well ...

... unless you're saying that GAWD had all of this laid out minute by minute, day by day, on his heavenly schedule. If that's what you meant, then it's merely stupid, and doesn't really rank up there with the stupidest of the stupid.

Kuddabeen: Should have strapped his still screaming ass to the nose of a jet and crashed it into a sewage treatment Plant

Kaizoe: I went out on a limb calling Bin Laden the most hunted man, and Hitler the most hated, but if you are going to say that I get the dates wrong then you might want to check the dates again.

Man made events, which is what is on the topic.
A spiritual/theological/philosophical discussion will become as useful as hitting each-other, lightly, with Nerf-bats ...nothing I have a interest of right now.

Malobear: Do me a favor Omega,keep your post to the Max.in a single post.No sense trying to write a book here,when nobody will probably read it. Something I learned when I first got on Wire almost a year ago.
Always give credit to the author or news agency of the materal you present,it gives the source respect.and its due.
As far as all these conspiracy theories,shoot away. I dont believe in these conspiracies,but its your right of course.

xanderiley: Sorry, tau, sources are _always_ important or you automatically invalidate your being taken seriously by anyone outside the Tinfoil Hat Legion.
I kinda thought that was a given, but I guess it needs to be said again,

Yan26: David "Hum...kill the hatred. Correct, kill the radical fundamentalist extremeist islamists and all that support them who are determined to kill anyone who gets in the way of their ultimate goal. Good point." I do not support murder of innocent people . My guess is "radical fundamentalist extremeist islamists" would include any Muslim who hates America. This would include a lot of people, some who hate out of ignorance , some who are justified. Hate breeds hate. You kill them they will kill you back.

davidk14: .

David said: "Hum...kill the hatred. Correct, kill the radical fundamentalist extremist islamists and all that support them who are determined to kill anyone who gets in the way of their ultimate goal. Good point."

Yan 26 said: I do not support murder of innocent people . My guess is "radical fundamentalist extremist islamists" would include any Muslim who hates America. This would include a lot of people, some who hate out of ignorance , some who are justified. Hate breeds hate. You kill them they will kill you back.

David responds: Minor correction….A radical fundamentalist extremist islamist is a person “who plans, carries out attacks or takes up arms to intentionally kill Americans (and others…)” who get in the way of their ultimate and determined goal.

There have been, there is, and there will always be people who dislike America “out of ignorance”. But the vast majorities do not take up arms against her. The ones that do, need to know that she will defend herself against all threats, foreign and domestic.

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StuckInTheSixties: TauKiloOmega says:
"I went out on a limb calling Bin Laden the most hunted man, and Hitler the most hated ..."

No, I think you got that right.

TauKiloOmega says:
"... but if you are going to say that I get the dates wrong then you might want to check the dates again."

Okay. Let's check the dates, but first, to put this in proper context, let's review your claim. You said: "Isn't it a little weird that one of the most hunted men in history was found and killed around the same date (the day after?) that histories most hated man was killed?"

Date of Usama bin Laden's death: May 2, 2011
Date of Adolf Hitler's death: 30 April 1945

You're off by a day, as are most of the news stories reporting on his death. It's that pesky International Dateline. He was killed in the early hours of May 2 in Pakistan. I know that's being a bit picky, but when you're basing such profound (assinine) revelations upon something like a coincidence of dates, you really should have the dates correct, don't you think?

Your other error, far more glaring, should again be put into context with a repeat of your statement: ""Isn't it a little weird that one of the most hunted men in history was found and killed around the same date (the day after?) that histories most hated man was killed?"

Hitler wasn't "found and killed." He shot himself as the Russian troops around Berlin was tightening the noose on him, but Russian troops didn't arrive at his bunker and find the burnt remains of his body for another two days or so after being led there by a German citizen.

Oh! You knew that?

Well, then, there would be no reason to make the comparison, would there? One was, indeed, "found and killed." The other shot himself, was (mostly) cremated, and what was left of his remains were later found and identified, from his teeth, with the aid of two of the assistants of his dentist.

It's absurd to make the comparison, isn't it?

Oh well, nice try.

Kaizoe: You still have two hunted men dying at around the same day ...along with other major events happening around Mayday.

William_Chuzzlewitt: BRB tinfoil hat.

Malobear: I am glad the U.S. finally got Bin Laden,something that should have occured back when America first invaded Afghanistan. CIA claimed back then that they had Bin Laden ripe for the picking off. But what does President Bush do? Invades Iraq. President Bush had majority of support from around the world to go into Afghanistan at that time,and get Bin Laden dead or alive. Some say the invasion of Iraq was because of oil,but to this day,the U.S. has not seen a drop and I doubt ever will. It wouldve sent a stronger message to the terrorist if Bush had just did what most people thought he was going to do when invading Afghanistan,get Bin Laden.
Anyways I am glad he was finally got. But by all means the struggle is far from over. The #2 man Ayman al-Zawahiri is still alive and the many followers. So the fight will continue.

Animal Lover: I must say, I'm surprised that the conspiracy theories are on the go already.

franklin1950: original leed information was obtained by water boarding .

aterny general holder must be fuming . an un-armed alleged terrorist [ innocent until prooven guilty in a court of law] was executed without due process of american law .

like abugreb detention prison on cuba ; cartoons of mahamid ; ground zero mosque protests , this action will be used as a recruiting tool for the radical muslim organizations .

osama b. died a marters death and now sits in paradise with his 71 virgin little boys.