China the sleeping dragon? (Page 2)

Paulo
Paulo: .....hahahahahaha....China and USA are at War for almost a Decade now.......for OIL Worldwide.....mostly in Africa!!!!

....Fogofwar got it right about Iran!!!!! .....Cause Iran its "independent" in oil selling....thats not good to US..cause they need to increase their flow or else fuel prices will go up back home!!!!
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Paulo
Paulo: .....in Africa....Angola..Nigeria..Chade..Sudan.......started to be with U.S. but now they are turning to China....thats very bad to Americans.....very!!!!....cause most of the new Oil wells are in Africa and some in Brazil(offshore).....both getting out of control of U.S.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: US oil comes from North America. Canada has the 2nd largest oil industry next to Saudi Arabia. It's not for the oil; it's for economic control. We cannot survive without an economy; and neither China nor the US can have an economy without stability in the Middle East. Despite our oil coming from North America; 60% of the world's oil supply still comes from the Middle East; even without us, so the stability of the economy does come from there. China isn't the threat; Iran is far more of a threat than China. The only threat from China is if they would stand beside Iran should Iran try anything stupid...hence why the US put troops on all borders of Iran; except Turkmenistan.
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Paulo
Paulo: 45% of U.S. oil comes from Middle East+Africa.....and almost 20% from Venezuela....(another friend).....only 17% from Canada(very hard and expensive to refine).......so you can see how deep trouble U.S. gets if something happens(and the Chinese are taking control of all Oil in most of Africa...and Iran).....plus dont forget that China owns most of U.S. Debt(giant one).....plus most U.S. products are made in China and label by U.S. Trade Marks.......so in reality the Empire is over....the "Barbarians" took "Rome" without any blood(this time)!!!!!!!.....you can say....we still have the nukes and Army....LMAO.....DO YOU IMAGINE the number of Nuclear weapons China owns....they dont declare it just imagine!!!!...and the Army....millions!!!!...so theres no chance to War....only business...and in that Chinese are taking control!!
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: Paulo says:
"DO YOU IMAGINE the number of Nuclear weapons China owns....they dont declare it just imagine!!!!"

Current estimate is 100-400 warheads, with approximately 240 being the best estimate.

As of September 2009, the USA possessed 5,113 warheads operationally deployed.

So your point about Chinese nukes would be ...?
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Paulo
Paulo: ....hahahaha....if those numbers are correct (like the weapons of massive destruction in Iraque)...maybe they dont own none /or/ thousands of them....LMAO!!!!....but you think CIA will ever know that kind of China´s Secret........you really dont know their Culture .......they own enough to wipe you out several times.....does it matter if you own 5 or 10 times more...I dont get your point....once started the WAR we all would all over the World.....everybody knows 20 or 50 bombs are enough to turn life in the Planet almost impossible....so whats your point!!????
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: Paulo says:
"everybody knows 20 or 50 bombs are enough to turn life in the Planet almost impossible"

Apparently you know nothing about the history of nuclear weapons testing by the USA and USSR. Many more than 50 nuclear weapons have been detonated, many of them FAR bigger than anything used as a weapon today.

I think I won't take your posts seriously.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: Current estimates is that there have been over 2000 nuclear detonations by all countries possessing weapons.
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davidk14
davidk14: Are you including the underground detonations?
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Paulo, you don't get it- you cannot win a nuclear war, and China, as does most of the world, knows this. China has an immense number of contracts from the West, and frankly, if they went to war with the west, all these factories will shut down- is that in their best interest?

China has everything to gain by keeping a civil relationship with other nations. Yes, China is a superpower- but that doesn't mean they are in any ways against us.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: The figure of 2000 includes undeground detonations. USA has conducted 331 atmospheric tests. France 50. China 23. I don't have figures on atmospheric tests by the others in the nuclear club. I'm to lazy to search out that data. The only point I wanted to make was that Paulo has no idea what he's rambling on about.
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davidk14
davidk14: Got it.
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Paulo
Paulo: ....imagine several bombs not in Nevada....or other Desert(mostly low radiation and controled detonations)....but in each one of your Cities.....(just think about it!???) you are not serious are you!!???.....you know Hiroshima was just a "toy bomb" by todays standards!!????.....are you joking....how would Humans live .....think about Chernobyl....MULTIPLY a million times.....get the pic!!!....like Einstein said....on 4 WW WE Will THROW ROCKS!!!
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Paulo
Paulo: To Mr.Lipton .....I never said China would win........nobody wins a nuke war.....no way!!!We all live on Planet Earth...closed environment!!Get it...closed Atmosphere!!!!!
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: Paulo, your conclusion ... Nuclear bombs = bad ... is reasonable.

But the details you present to argue for that conclusion are ... well, you keep asking readers to "imagine" stuff ... most of your details are just that: imaginary.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Lol and 60's wins the thread
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Paulo
Paulo: Say that not to me ..but to Hiroshima / Nagasaki survivors and to Chernobyl survivors too ...dying with all types of diseases....mostly Cancer....tell them that your arguments are more correct than mine....how can you say that!!!????? .....you used Neocon arguments(correct numbers about tests but out of context= Deserts vs Cities)!!!.....even the small radiation contained in bombs and missiles its causing lots of problems in War zones populations Worldwide!!
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Paulo
Paulo: Do you live inside a bubble !!??? ....
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Okay, Paul, we get it- theres a constant threat of nuclear war looming.

Do you have anything more to add, or are you just going to continue to fear-monger and condemn those for not being in fear?
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Paulo
Paulo: ...to cause fear!????....its not my quest.....just want some persons to think about the real danger of Nuclear Weapons...just that!!
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davidk14
davidk14: .

“It’s not the country that has dozens of thermonuclear warheads that I fear…

…it’s the terrorist that has only one.”

Source: heard that from a movie…I think

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Paulo
Paulo: Good point there!!.....well I admit Im an activist against NeoCons and I belive 9/11 was an inside Job....so I think you should be afraid!!(sorry)
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Paulo said: ..and I belive 9/11 was an inside Job

David responds: Those words just discounted the credibility of all your posts to….ZERO. Sorry Paulo.

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Paulo
Paulo: ....I respect your opinion.....but me and lots of Americans dont belive in the Gov. version......for lots of reasons!
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Paolo:

If my memory serves me, there are about 1500 structural engineers that completely agree with you and provide their evidence to support the claim that 911 was a controlled demolition.

There are about 250,000 structural engineers in the US that do not believe it was a controlled demolition.

The folks who believe it was controlled is less than 1% of the entire structural engineer population.

Or…

…99.9% of all structural engineers in the US believe 19 Islamic terrorists flew 2 planes into the World Trade Center, one plane into the Pentagon and one plane into the field in Pennsylvania.

Just depends on who and what you want to believe.

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