Should the US intervene to promote democracy? (Page 5)

memberX
memberX: I'll show you a scent of "democracy promoting" ... just a small peace of it...




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Bumpa
Bumpa: David, as usual you have the details but as usual you get bogged down in them Mate. Who cares if it was 1979 or 1980? The fact remains the US has consistently propped up dictators like the Shah of Iran, others include Pinochet, Sandanistas, Marcos, the Mujahadeen, Pol Pot, Hitler even! Sometimes this has been with financial/ military aid, sometimes just tacit approval of their actions (Hitler)
There are many more examples of American "democracy"
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Which countries has the US consistently propped up dictators since the fall of the USSR? And I don't mean countries that we have diplomatic missions in.

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memberX
memberX: there is one big truth, that says ...

Every dictator uses force to keep his reign.
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Bumpa
Bumpa: David, Syria, Israel, Saudi, Myanmar
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Bumpa said: David, Syria, Israel, Saudi, Myanmar

David responds: Perhaps Saudi Arabia since we support the ruling class because of the oil. However, you got it wrong regarding the other three countries.

Syria is and has been a mortal enemy of Israel since 1948 and therefore a mortal enemy of America.

Israel is a parliamentary government based in the rule of law and has never been a dictatorship.

Myanmar (formerly Burma) is definitely not one of the countries the US has supported since the Democratic Government of Burma was taken over by the military hunta in 1962 and has ruled since. Myanmar may have the worst human rights and repressive societies on the planet today.
Go to the following web-site and scroll down to Colonial Era (1886 – 1948). You will see that Burma was ruled by Britain until they gained independence in 1948 as the Democratic Republic until 1962. Since then they have been ruled by a extremely repressive and abusive military regime which the US has consistently condemned.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar

Any other countries that the US has consistently propped up dictators since the fall of the USSR?

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Bumpa
Bumpa: The countries you say are not supported by USA still use American weapons to suppress their own people. Funny that......
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Do you know the number one weapon used in the world today? The Russian made AK 47.... Funny that...

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MultifariousEntity
MultifariousEntity: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry#World.27s_largest_arms_exporters
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_contractor

Yes, in most cases rebels, revolutionaries, pirates etc. fight with the cheap, and relatively easy to construct Ak-47. The weapons of the government they are fighting however, are american made without doubt. The fact of the matter is that the the USA's foreign policy has long been machiavellian, many of the wars they 'help' the people of the world by fighting in exist because of their own design and/or blunder.

Regardless, the US government is the big guy that sits up top, and they want to stay there. Nothing more, nothing less. They aren't some evil group, plotting to cause mass murder and genocide, but they certainly aren't the heroes some of their citizens seem to think. They have power and they use it. Currently that is the way of the world, perhaps someday that will change.
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davidk14
davidk14: What country are you from?
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MultifariousEntity
MultifariousEntity: Relevance?
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Just wondering since your avatar suggested that you are a Jihadist. And now you changed your avatar. Why was that?

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MultifariousEntity
MultifariousEntity: lol, my avatar had to do with a feed post by

mercurydragon

It was ninja day.

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davidk14
davidk14: .

Ninja Day. Great.

So what country are you from? Just interested in what type of government you are accustomed to.

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davidk14
davidk14: .

Puts your comments into perspective for me. Thanks.

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MultifariousEntity
MultifariousEntity: Which perspective would that be?
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davidk14
davidk14: .

I would have reservations of your comments if you lived in let's say Iran, Syria or a country that does not have free constitutional elections. I tend to read into comments better knowing what type of system of government a person lives under.

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MultifariousEntity
MultifariousEntity: If I was going to judge someone's input at first glance, and if I was going to do so based on something as shallow and fleeting as their nationality, then I would probably put more faith in any country that isn't the USA.

First of all, I hold strongly the opinion that so long as you have anonymous access to the internet, you have the ability to create and express informed opinions.

Secondly, I feel that your media is overpowering and because of that, it and many of the people that subscribe to it have become distastefully nationalistic. A self nourishing cycle of "RAH RAH USA!" that has grown into unhealthy ignorance and apathy. It's even influenced Canadians, much to my dismay.

I think we've digressed a little here.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Which US news media outlets are you speaking about? ABC? CBS? NBC? MSMBC? NPR? All of these outlets are Rah Rah Obama which for sure is liberal leaning to say the least as are the major media outlets in Canada. So are you suggesting that the liberal media is distastefully nationalistic? Just trying to understand your comments that they, the left leaning liberal media is unhealthy ingnorant and apathetic?

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MultifariousEntity
MultifariousEntity: I'm talking about nearly all 'mainstream' media available to Americans, not just news. Hollywood is just as bad. Have you ever seen a Hollywood produced 'war film' that displays anyone other than Americans storming the beaches on D-day? Little things like that add up, and it's all most of your populace ever sees.

If you wish to continue this, please message me, this is horribly off topic.
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davidk14
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Hollywood also vilifies US troops in combat as the bad guys. The last 'combat' film out of hollywood which the story was based in Los Angeles, they had to film it in New Orleans and change the street signs to make the streets of New Orleans look like LA. Hollywood is not military friendly at all.

Hollywood is ultra-liberal if you didn't know.

And yes, I've seen many war films and many that do show British and Canadian troops on D-Day getting their asses kicked. Now as war films go, the worst were the ones made in te late 40's and early fifties showing troops as robots.

Now the best made war films I've seen have got to have been, Saving Private Ryan followed by Full Metal Jacket and Schindlers List which I could only see once.

There have been a few documentary films about Afganistan which have formed emotions in my mind that we need to get the hell out of there since we are dealing with a society living in a world 200 years in the past and they just don't get it...yet. Reminded me of Viet Nam villagers a bit.

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zerostate
zerostate: no, example, if someone interfered my household, i would say who the fuck are u!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mbokani345
mbokani345: The US does not need to spread democracy cause it never works anyway. Some cultures have their own ways of doing things and u cant impose ur thinking. Just educate them to do good and thats all. U dont need democracy to live a happy life. Its the good u do that will make u happy. If the US think they spread democracy, why dont they do it in China then I will agree with this
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