Is the United States a Police State? (Page 4)

caramel lady: please read noam chomsky for that it was revealed with the freedom of information act > for the counter intelligence program by the FBI from the 30s I think till the 1970s.

XFixYourBrainX: Caramel lady says, "You have the highest prison rate, the most amount of serial killers and high gun crime, sexual crime etc (we have the higest in europe)theres obseisty, I watched a documentary on Americas homeless crisis which affects blacks and whites of all classes a million people on the streets. (there even saying the original serial killer jack the ripper was a irish america doctor) But no nations stands alone we live in a global village plus I inst China taken over now, before all the right wing types start blaming the liberals it was the right wing governments of the U.K and U.S that freed the marker and laid the foundation for new wave of western immigration."

Well one in 11 African-Americans (9.2 percent), whites (2.2 percent) are in prison. We have the right have guns in our country and people misuse them, but in our constitution we can have guns, as compared to most countries don't one more freedom that we have that others don't. Most homeless people are at fault for their own actions, and America is known for taking good care in feeding, giving shelter, clothing, and keeping the homeless warm, we take great care of our homeless. Some homeless people choose to be homeless because they say they have less responsibilities. Some homeless people have mental disabilities that they cannot help, and when offered help they refuse it. We help as many homeless as possible, but some don't want it. Now compared to Britain, America is taking much better care of the homeless than Britain does. Where is your proof of jack the ripper being of US nationality? Or are you conspiring again? If you insist China take over now, then you must hate America, China is a Communist country, and you would rather communism to be spread than Democracy? I think you are anti-American and anti-Democratic.

XFixYourBrainX: Caramel lady says, "even your country

dropping the first atomic bomb well what can i say, (you must be so proud!!!"

Well while Einstein was working on the 'Manhattan project' to create an atomic bomb, it showed the United States how much intelligence we had to create something of such a magnificence at the time. But now we know it was a mistake. A few years ago the United States and Russia announced they are reducing their Nuclear stockpile to half of what it was before. Yes I'm very much proud of what my country has accomplished, I sense you have no pride in your country. I think my arguement stands over your bigotry.

FogofWar: Pokerman said: "Only a stereotypical person would mention being stereotypical."

Read her post on the forum of sexism which I linked; you will understand.


Caramel lady said: "Ok, firstly Britain and american governments both support and work with (i know) the Islamic country of Saudi Arabia despite their women right record but condemn other Islamic states and go war with them."

There are more reasons than you know for this; and it is another topic altogether. There is more than one sect of Islam; perhaps you should study it.


Caramel lady said: "secondly what came first football or american football and the term soccer,"

Rugby football came first. The term Football is a class of sport; not a specific sport. The term originated in medieval Europe to mean sports played on foot; as opposed to nobility games played on horse; such as polo. The sport played was taken from a Greek game known as Episkuros, in which the objective was to kick or carry the ball into the opposing team's end. The game involved contact; similar to rugby or American football. In 1845 the rules to Rugby football were written; having been played since 1750.
Soccer is an abbreviated name for Association Football; which was established in 1863, 18 years after the formal establishment of Rugby. The established rules became the Association Football; which was abbreviated in England to Assoc. Football; then Socca Football; and finally Soccer Football. So to answer which came first; neither; soccer was the term coined to differentiate Association Football from all other forms of football.

So the term football is nothing more than a class of sport played on foot; and can take the form of many games; the following are the list of games classified as football:

Association Football
Rugby Football
Aussie Football
American Football
Canadian Football
and continuing variations and altered versions of the existing branches of football.

So now that that is out of the way; let us get back on topic.


Caramel lady said: "was you original that mentioned Racism Fog of war"

Actually, my initial mention was that ALL forms of discrimination are the same (as the topic was on the form of discrimination known as sexism); and that equity groups are subject to pushing non equal treatment because humans are biased. It was you that turned it into a discussion of racism; and that treating black people the same as white people is somehow not equal.

FogofWar: Caramel lady said: "it was you original that mentioned Racism Fog of war>>>don't think it's just a case of it being sexist if men do it. I think it's a case of humans have a tendency to put their 'liberties' before everyone else. Some of the most racist people I have ever met were members of ethnic minorities who hate all white people because they are 'racist'. We can see this in examples of almost all discrimination:
Black Panthers movement uses racism to hate 'racism'.)"

and why do you exclude the rest of what I said? Perhaps because it doesn't pertain to race? Let's see what else I wrote, shall we:

"The Bloc Quebecois fights for French rights in Canada; while taking away the rights on English speaking people in Quebec. They demanded Ottawa pass a bill forcing all provinces in Canada to have French first on all road signs; then English; yet all the while they were fining people in Quebec for putting English on their signs.

Women's rights movements fight for equal rights by demanding that they get chosen over men in same job opportunities; and even are eligible to gain possessions from men in divorce; when men are not afforded the same opportunities.

Native American movements in Canada fight for equal treatment; while demanding treaty cheques; housing, cars; and not to have to follow the gaming and fisheries laws, and refuse to pay taxes; while demanding the services afforded to taxpayers at the expense of said taxes."[1]

You can also understand what my message was in the last sentence of that post:

"…It seems almost all 'equal rights' movements fight for 'equality' by expecting their side to have superior treatment. Ahh...we humans are a strange bunch hey?"[1]


So is it that you cannot read; or that you simply chose not to?


Caramel lady said: "Like i said before you group all ethnics together (non whites) and whites separately, and are whites not ethnic??????(you dont know your even though it-interesting"

Your utter stupidity is mind blowing. Reread what I said and see just how horribly; horribly wrong you are. I group ALL ethnics together yes….I call them humans. I do not separate white people; in fact again; what the last sentence was:

fogofwar said: "...It seems almost all 'equal rights' movements fight for 'equality' by expecting their side to have superior treatment. Ahh...we humans are a strange bunch hey?"

I didn't realize ALL meant "all but white people". Your stupidity is concerning.

But hey; while we are on the topic of separating white people from other ethnicities…why don't we take a look at what you, caramel lady, said:

"Reverse racism shouldn't even be a term... It's described as the act of racism against a majority (typically used in context of whites)"

….it was not used in context of whites, you said so; not anyone else.

"but the advantage that middle class and upper class white men have had and in some respects working white men is the reasons that that other group disadvantages are being re address. How many of the Canadian politians are not white male??? How much of the laws and system in ur nation advantage white people,either way im not going into a argument with u"

"As I said before giving white people a special category of racism i.e reverse racism is wrong"

again; it was you that gave the term to 'white people', not anyone else.

And the kicker: Caramel lady's finest hour:


"U are taking the pis$ fog of war, but the sick thing is that they probably be related due to all the rape commited by white men on black women during the period of slavery."

I rest my case.

FogofWar: Caramel lady said: "BUT PLEASE DONT SAY IM RACIST CAUSE IM NOT I NEVER DISCRIMINATED AGAINST ANYONE,"

Caramel lady said: "U are taking the pis$ fog of war, but the sick thing is that they probably be related due to all the rape commited by white men on black women during the period of slavery."

Caramel lady said: "but now ur saying that there should be no categories (in reference to my mention of not categorizing races of people for special treatment). confused neway that’s all folk,"

Perhaps you should look back on what I posted then….maybe you will see what I was saying; and what you said in response.

Caramel lady said: "I never called a non black person a racist term before, but mind u i ve never dated outside my race but i wont rule against it( would you say the same)"

What does it matter what ethnicity you have dated? What does it matter what ethnicity they are? You are placing far too much importance on establishing their race. Yes; I have dated outside my race; does it matter?

Caramel lady said: "You guys do not know what true sexism and racism is until you have lived."

How do you know what we have lived? How do you know what ethnicity I am? Have I ever mentioned on here?

Caramel lady said: "P.S good trolling though"

Funny; it was you that came in and posted about how we didn't know what we were talking about in regards to racism because of our ethnicity; not the other way around…who is doing the trolling now??


Caramel lady said: "Here are some facts about what you and your right on buddy think you knew about racism!!!"[2]




[1] http://www.wireclub.com/Forums/ViewTopic.aspx?ForumId=772986&ParentId=1380280&

[2] http://www.wireclub.com/Forums/ViewTopic.aspx?ForumId=772986&ParentId=1380280&&Page=1

XFixYourBrainX: Caramel lady says, "and confused with the truth your the one blinded by patriotism"

Tell me what do you think the difference is between blindness and patriotism? Lol

XFixYourBrainX: Caramel lady just got crushed lol, she is extremely racial, anti-American, she's angry, confused, ignorant, and is full of bigotry beyond comparison.

FogofWar: And while we make mention again of your question of how many Canadian politicians are not white males; why don't you ask Michaelle Jean; up until a few months ago; she was the actual leader of the country...that's right SHE; Michaelle Jean; the WOMAN born in HAITI to a black family. So it seems she too was a black woman; and an immigrant...and to top it off; French (having seen the issue of segregation between the French and English I mentioned also). If we are measuring people's status of minority; she takes the cake....and she did one hell of a job as the Governor General too.

Before here was Adrienne Clarkson, a woman who immigrated to Canada from Hong Kong in 1941.

If you would like to see the cultural diversity in the House of Commons; be my guest. Among the seat holders is a 19 year old girl; countless immigrants who came to Canada; and an entirely French party.

FogofWar: "Plus you and fog of war are in constant disagreement with anyone who does not agree with you"

wow!

"you dont know me thank you. dont know my life"

One can say the same of you lady.

"Also grammar don't demostrate intelligence."

Well it definitely doesn't demonstrate stupidity either.

XFixYourBrainX: Lady caramel is a confused person and I feel sorry for her with all the anger she has built inside of her.

caramel lady: So now your trying to bully me what big and clever men you are. Thank you kinder proven my point. I'm being racial, i'm anti american i said i love america culture, you both have selective things Ive said and ignored others. Well good on you feel superior now!!!!!pat yourself on the back for being such gentleman. and its Caramel Lady thank you

caramel lady: Anyway Fog of war your one who said white people are getting reverse racism and then use a black man to prove a point,plus heard of typo, anyway you sound like you have hate for me scary!!!!!!!!

wow, you spent alot of time written about me i should feel special thanks , and p.s i checked your profile fog of war.

Pokerman I was aright with you I took on board ur posting on illumanti issue but now your calling me names like stupid and angry I guess it could be worse alot worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!Anyway peace and love. lIKE i SAID i'M NOT TAKING IT TOO PERSONAL BECAUSE BOTH OF YOU HAVE THE HABIT OF DOING to other people on the forums (thats what i meant) THIS NONE LESS.

Furthermore, I have dyspraxia( form of dyslexia-i.e for writing( i had bad accident at 2yrs old which affected me but I was rehabilitation when I was younger thankfully, testing I did a few yrs ago showed I scored in 90% for reasoning(thinking) and communication. So thanks for taking mwx# out of my disability (even though you didn't know it) Take care

FogofWar: Caramel lady said: "Anyway Fog of war your one who said white people are getting reverse racism"

I await your quote of me saying reverse racism prior to your mention of it.

Caramel lady said: "And then use a black man to prove a point,"

Funny; I never brought his race into the argument; rather I just brought up the fact that he was, in my books, the greatest mind of curing racism. You then proceeded to insult his 'dream'.

Caramel lady said: "plus heard of typo, anyway you sound like you have hate for me scary!!!!!!!!"

I am not the one demonstrating racial hate.

FogofWar: It is ironic that while you preach on about being the one to understand racial discrimination; and calling me out as saying that I am separating white people from other races....you are still the only one in any of these topics to have mentioned your race.

caramel lady: No your demonstrating personal hatred of me, When did I say I hate anyone your putting words into my mouth, anyway, i'm feeling more troubled communicating with you. I don't know why you seem very aggressive and determined to prove yourself right.Like I said before peace be with.

FogofWar: "No your demonstrating personal hatred of me, When did I say I hate anyone your putting words into my mouth,"

As are you....I have not demonstrated any hatred; nor have I said half the things you say I did.

caramel lady: Pokerman the thing about Jack the ripper was on Crime channel thank you. No I don't wont China to run things each country should run itself. Plus Chinese government not so good on human and animal rights. As for the different Muslim sect na you dont say, Like people say one of my former best friends was mulism. So I know that, Anyway good to be proud of your country im proud to be a Londoner and British. Anyway are you tryin to say no one can criticise your government policies especially the foreign one without being called anti american that's very democratic of you, thought you had freedom of expression in your constitution. Anyway you guys got me in a game of verbal tennis lol God bless America and everywhere else lol

I eat mcds and KFC, know and befriend Americans,prefer your TV shows to British ones except U.K soaps, and certain crime shows, I am proud of our welfare system which bloody Tories are trying to destroy. Like I said you have Hot men there of all races. i love me American Army men the accent, the walk, the haircut. .Anyway pokerman You feel better calling me names? ganging up with me fog of war? You feel better about yourself. Fog of war i DON'T Give A FLYING COW ABOUT SPORTS OTHER THAN WATCH THE MEN THAT'S WHY i DON'T LIKE AMERICAN FOOTBALL YOU CANT SEE THE MENS' FACE. given up on me yet lol. Yes you are showing hatred and bullying toward me fog of war with your tag partner pokerman. when did I start personal calling u names like racist and stupid. bless ur cotton socks

XFixYourBrainX: Refute what I have said towards your comments please.

XFixYourBrainX: I assume your intelligent so please try and refute what I said. If not then the below must be true.

Britain still has extreme racism still to this day, and the United States dissolved slavery while Britain continued to have slavery even after the union won the civil war. America wasn't built on taking land, yes we have admitted our mistakes and we made it right in the end by giving land back and making reservations for Indians and guess what those Indians that had there land taken away say they are happy they got their land taken away, because now they are filthy rich from their luxurious casinos. Where is your proof the j f Hoover conspiracy you are talking about. You sound like a conspiracy theorist. Once again your talking about conspiracy theories about concentration camps, where is your proof of this?

XFixYourBrainX: I assume your intelligent so please try and refute what I said. If not then the below must be true.

Well one in 11 African-Americans (9.2 percent), whites (2.2 percent) are in prison. We have the right have guns in our country and people misuse them, but in our constitution we can have guns, as compared to most countries don't one more freedom that we have that others don't. Most homeless people are at fault for their own actions, and America is known for taking good care in feeding, giving shelter, clothing, and keeping the homeless warm, we take great care of our homeless. Some homeless people choose to be homeless because they say they have less responsibilities. Some homeless people have mental disabilities that they cannot help, and when offered help they refuse it. We help as many homeless as possible, but some don't want it. Now compared to Britain, America is taking much better care of the homeless than Britain does. Where is your proof of jack the ripper being of US nationality? Or are you conspiring again? If you insist China take over now, then you must hate America, China is a Communist country, and you would rather communism to be spread than Democracy? I think you are anti-American and anti-Democratic.

caramel lady: Pokerman the thing about Jack the ripper was on Crime channel thank you. No I don't wont China to run things each country should run itself. Plus Chinese government not so good on human and animal rights. As for the different Muslim sect na you dont say, Like people say one of my former best friends was mulism. So I know that, Anyway good to be proud of your country im proud to be a Londoner and British. Anyway are you tryin to say no one can criticise your government policies especially the foreign one without being called anti American that's very democratic of you, thought you had freedom of expression in your constitution. Anyway you guys got me in a game of verbal tennis lol God bless America and everywhere else lol

Pokerman says“Well one in 11 African-Americans (9.2 percent), whites (2.2 percent) are in prison” why mention race according to your logic your racist lol and what about all the other minorities its only black and white no Asians, no hispanics( like i said the documentary i watched on homelessness had two sets of people one black and a white couple that way i didn't mentioned any other race. Whats your excuse my brother

XFixYourBrainX: According to your logic you don't agree with that statement of mentioning race lol.

The majority is black and white. Then Hispanic, then Asian, etc... you get the point.

XFixYourBrainX: Caramel lady says, "Anyway are you tryin to say no one can criticise your government policies especially the foreign one without being called anti American that's very democratic of you, thought you had freedom of expression in your constitution."

Where did I say nobody can criticize my governments policies?
who said anything about freedom of expression?

caramel lady: Nothing to see here. Post deleted by user.