Its only S*xist when men do it franklin1950: am i a bad person or just politicaly incorrect if i said i thought this colourful rant humerus in its delivery of a serious matter.  introspec: Colorful delivery......... Man has valid point........... For pete's sake, laughing about cutting a man's pwx*& off.....ugh  StuckInTheSixties: I lasted only a few seconds into that ... up to the point that he characterized the women hosts of the TV show as "cx^$#."  LiptonCambell: You should give it another go 60! Like I said- he's excessive- he's angry- but he IS right.  FogofWar: I don't think it's just a case of it being sexist if men do it. I think it's a case of humans have a tendency to put their 'liberties' before everyone else. Some of the most racist people I have ever met were members of ethnic minorities who hate all white people because they are 'racist'. We can see this in examples of almost all discrimination: Black Panthers movement uses racism to hate 'racism'. The Bloc Quebecois fights for French rights in Canada; while taking away the rights on English speaking people in Quebec. They demanded Ottawa pass a bill forcing all provinces in Canada to have French first on all road signs; then English; yet all the while they were fining people in Quebec for putting English on their signs. Women's rights movements fight for equal rights by demanding that they get chosen over men in same job opportunities; and even are eligible to gain possessions from men in divorce; when men are not afforded the same opportunities. Native American movements in Canada fight for equal treatment; while demanding treaty cheques; housing, cars; and not to have to follow the gaming and fisheries laws, and refuse to pay taxes; while demanding the services afforded to taxpayers at the expense of said taxes. ...It seems almost all 'equal rights' movements fight for 'equality' by expecting their side to have superior treatment. Ahh...we humans are a strange bunch hey? FogofWar: ...the irony about the Bloc Quebecois demanding French first on signs is that there is less than 5% of the population out west that speaks only French; or French first, with somewhere in the 20% margin speaking French at all; while over 50% of Quebec speaks English...yet they were fining people for writing in it.  introspec: Fog, buddy, first 5 paragraphs hit problem (reverse discrim) right on nose..........Well done!! Would set you up to a beer, if geo close......LOL..... introspec: Laughing about cutting a man's p%xy$ off?.....The vernacular, cy%z, is really too nice a term............... Have to applaud delicate sensibilities of objectors....... The guy was funny........... And, not inacurate..........  caramel lady: Here are some facts about what you and your right on buddy think you knew about racism!!!! here are some great quotes in response to your posts lol. "Reverse racism shouldn't even be a term... It's described as the act of racism against a majority (typically used in context of whites). But...isn't that just plain old regular racism? Last time I checked, Caucasian WAS a race. And I'm willing to bet that any other majority suffering from "reverse racism" is a race too. So why isn't it just racism? Why give it a fancy new term? If you wanted to take the literal definition, reverse racism would actually be the opposite: supporting a race as equal to another. Just a thought." "Yet there are problems with claiming that this “power” proves racism from people of color is just as bad as the reverse." Me>Plus ur kind saying that whites firstLY are not ethnic so inturn not the same as nonwhites and are not the same as the rest of the human races(as you said are we not all human)and this piece says that whites are so special that they have special terminology diff from the rest> think about it!!!!! "First, racial violence is also a power whites have, so the power that might obtain in such a situation is hardly unique to non-whites, unlike the power to deny a bank loan for racial reasons, to "steer" certain homebuyers away from living in “nicer" neighbourhoods, or to racially profile in terms of policing. Those are powers that can only be exercised by the more dominant group as a practical and systemic matter" Simply put, what separates white racism from any other form, and what makes anti-black, anti-brown, anti-yellow, or anti-red humor more biting and more dangerous than its anti-white equivalent is the ability of the former to become lodged in the minds of and perceptions of the citizenry. “White perceptions are what end up counting in a white-dominated society. If whites say Indians are savages (be they of the “noble” or vicious type), then by God, they’ll be seen as savages. If Indians say whites are mayonnaise-eating Amway salespeople, who the hell are going to care? If anything, whites will simply turn it into a marketing opportunity. When you have the power, you can afford to be self-deprecating, after all.” The day that someone produces a newspaper ad that reads: “Twenty whites for sale today: good condition, best offer accepted,” or “whites to be lynched tonight: whistled at black woman,” then perhaps I’ll see the equivalence of these slurs with the more common type to which we’ve grown accustomed." When white churches start getting burned down by militant blacks who spray paint “kill the whites” on the sidewalks outside, then maybe I’ll take seriously these concerns over “reverse racism.” Me>As for the Black panthers that were on the American government hit list do you know the inhumane way black people were treated in America especially in the South. The Black Panther unlike the hate filled white supremacy group who wish to kill anyone who isn’t white. Actually the black panthers had white supporters who they were friends with but ur probably to ignorant to know that. Either way I’m not gone change your hard nut right wing views so im not gone to get into anything. Take care LiptonCambell: Wow, this topic has gone to racism.....excellent, well thought-out posts folks, but please, on topic(sexism) caramel lady: Hey it was ur friend fog of war who first mentioned racism just address a point he made. franklin1950: i think that the pendulum analogy can be applied to the topic [ sexism ] and to the digression [ racism ] . countries / nationalities / a particular group / that were once an aggressor/victimizer or the aggressed/victim can become the opposite of what they were. dark humour is dark humour . whether its a wife apputating husbands p&~*$ or a husband supper glueing wifes vagina . humour is obviously in the ear and attitude of the beholder LiptonCambell: Lol Fog's my friend? I think he's on my friends list, but I can't remember his general stances....I think we've been on opposing sides from time to time.... FogofWar: Here is some facts for you as well caramel lady: I never made any mention of the term reverse racism; introspec did. What I mentioned was not just racism; it was in regards to EVERY such equity movement (be they for or aft the majority) being biased. The only mention of reverse racism was from introspect (I thought I would reiterate this point for your clarification). However; since the term was mentioned; why don't we take a look at it before we get into who knows more about racism? Reverse racism is a controversial term which refers to racial prejudice or discrimination directed against the traditionally dominant racial group in a society. It is sometimes used as a pejorative description of systems which discriminate in favour of members of racial minorities, more formally known as reverse discrimination or affirmative action.[1] Affirmative action refers to policies that take factors including "race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation or national origin" into consideration in order to benefit an underrepresented group, usually as a means to counter the effects of a history of discrimination. The focus of such policies ranges from employment and education to public contracting and health programs.[2] Racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race racial prejudice or discrimination[3a] Prejudice: Injury or damage resulting from some judgement or action of another in disregard of one's rights;detriment to one's legal rights or claims.[3b] By looking at the very definition of racism; we can see that the goal of equity movements is the elimination of racism. However; by using affirmative action; we are making a policy to segregate people of races in order to treat a minority in a more favourable manner. This in tern is an act of racism; opposite to the intended action; a sort of "reverse" racism if you will. Caramel lady asked: "So why isn't it just racism? Why give it a fancy new term?" No one said it isn't racism; or the same as just plain old racism. Aren't black people human too; just like white people? So why then do we have different terms to differentiate these races? Exactly for that reason; to differentiate them for the purpose of clarification. It's called communication; and the language itself is not racism. Reverse racism is not a term reserved for any particular type of people; but simply for a particular action of racism. Caramel lady said: "reverse racism would actually be the opposite: supporting a race as equal to another." Actually; that would be no racism; or anti-racism. Reverse means backwards; not opposing. Reverse racism then would mean racism that is backwards; ie someone who's actions for equality are actually racist (as I mentioned in my original post; although not limited to racism; but all forms of discrimination in general). Caramel lady said: "Yet there are problems with claiming that this “power” proves racism from people of color is just as bad as the reverse." Are you suggesting that racism from a person who is of an ethnic minority is somehow less offensive than racism from someone who is of an ethnic majority? Did you not earlier ask why there should be a difference in the wordings of these types of racism because they are in fact the same? Caramel lady said: "Me>Plus ur kind saying that whites firstLY are not ethnic so inturn not the same as nonwhites and are not the same as the rest of the human races" Provide the quote in which anyone here has said this please. Before you judge someone based on what you interpret in the words they speak; maybe you should find out what they are saying; lest you be guilty of judging them prematurely; or PREjudging them, if you will. FogofWar: Caramel lady said: "(as you said are we not all human)" I hate calling people a liar but….hey, when the shoe fits. I failed to see anyone here mention any people not being human. Slander is not very becoming of you. Caramel lady said: "and this piece says that whites are so special that they have special terminology diff from the rest> think about it!!!!!" Perhaps you should think about it. No where has anyone said this term is reserved to a single ethnic, sexual, religious, or racial group. By assuming that we are referring to white people by using this term is prejudice. Perhaps you should think about it… Caramel lady said: "First, racial violence is also a power whites have" So racism is okay when it comes from you? And you call into question our stance on racial equality based on what someone else said while making comments like this? Wow! Caramel lady said: "When white churches start getting burned down by militant blacks who spray paint “kill the whites” on the sidewalks outside, then maybe I’ll take seriously these concerns over “reverse racism.”" So you use racist quotes that stereotype ALL white people as racist KKK members to prove your point that we don't know racism? Your hypocritical stance is appalling. Caramel lady said herself, and not in a quote: "Me>As for the Black panthers that were on the American government hit list do you know the inhumane way black people were treated in America especially in the South." Were treated? So what you are saying is they are NOT treated like that anymore? So what you are saying is that by continuing to act in response to the way they were treated towards people who are not treating them that way is acceptable racism? You are also aware that several white people helped Harriet Tubman create the underground railroad right? You are also aware that here in Canada; where I live; we did not have slavery? You are also aware that white people were sold as slaves in history as well? Vikings made quite a pretty penny off of them. Caramel lady said: "Actually the black panthers had white supporters who they were friends with but ur probably to ignorant to know that" So what you are saying is if I were to start a white power movement that did not kill black people it would be acceptable; so long as I have black friends….which I do…several??? Think about it. What's the difference? How is it okay for one group to form a racial movement for their people when they deny any other race the right to do the same? Is this not the definition of racism? Why yes it is. FYI, speaking of one of my black friends: One of them told me about a school opening up in his community. He was actually upset and offended by it…why? Because it was; in my black friends words; "Racist". You know why he said it was racist? Because it was an all black school. Caramel lady said: "Either way I’m not gone change your hard nut right wing views so im not gone to get into anything." I will admit with ease that I am a right wing political mind. That being said; you should really do some research into what it means to be a right wing political mind here in Canada. Our furthest right wing party lies side by side with your left wing democratic party in the US. [1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_racism [2] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action [3] meriam-webster [a] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism?show=0&t=*******284 [b] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prejudice[1] FogofWar: FYI, before you question my political stance again; especially on the topic of racism; and the acceptable methods there of; you should really look into one of my most favoured public speakers on the topic; Mr. Martin Luther King Jr. He once said: "I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood." Note his choice of words....sit down TOGETHER! Maybe you should listen to what Mr. King said caramel lady. Comrade_: He brought up some issues (though not in a proper way). You hardly find men voicing on things like this. In general, when a male/female joke on castration or circumcism it doesn't come off as offensive as when someone (male/female) joke on something as female gential mutalation. You just have a softness the women and their body. No side should be given the right to make sexist statements. It appeared a bit that he wanted permission to make sexist statements since women are "allowed" to do it. He should've argued for both sides to not have that right, instead of making himself look as a chauvinist. introspec: For info of all: Reverse discrimination as applied to subject (sexism) occurs when a female is awarded a job over better qualified male.... And, this happens too frequently... Some racists insist on injecting racism into all subjects....Relax...lower blood pressure, cool gastric ulcers.... Males of all persuasions are being screwed in name of political correctness and, yes, affirmative action.... Do some of you have sons, aged early 20s, qualified, but unemployed? Comrade_: Sometimes there is more to it than that Intro. Some have connections within the job, experience, extra-curricula activities, a successful interview, dress, look etc... & it's no longer focused strongly on academic qualifications alone. I hope your son gets something suitable in his field. Job hunting is a task in itself. introspec: Bless you, Cave, for good thoughts......... My children are all gainfully employed...(thank the good Lord)...and, I'm looking forward in my doddering years to crashing and freeloading on them.....lol...... FogofWar: Intro said: "For info of all: Reverse discrimination as applied to subject (sexism) occurs when a female is awarded a job over better qualified male…." The Canadian Forces Equity Act does this. There is a group to represent women; one to represent persons with disabilities; one to represent persons of visible minorities; and one to represent Native Americans. Should I; as a healthy white male; apply for the same job as a member of any of these groups; and we score the exact same on all tests; fitness and academic; then the job will go to the member of the minority as per the Canadian Forces Equity Act. This is hardly discrimination free now isn't it? Ironically; on this topic: When I was in Basic, one of the guys in my platoon asked how come there was no group to represent white people…funny thing was; he was black. It seems him and I both share the same views….although I was not able to speak up; as it would have been racism. If you want true equality; then why have any groups? The Canadian Forces Equity Act does not make it mandatory that you give out your race…according to the Canadian Forces both him and I belong to the 'unknown' category of race. That my friend; IS equality. caramel lady: Fog of war you don’t get it and I’m not going into tit for tat thing that u seem to be constantly on in forum posts, but the advantage that middle class and upper class white men have had and in some respects working white men is the reasons that that other group disadvantages are being re address. How many of the Canadian politians are not white male??? How much of the laws and system in ur nation advantage white people,either way im not going into a argument with u, as tell me what a black man has said wow, you really dont get it. i let u continue on with that anti PC discourse. As I said before giving white people a special category of racism i.e reverse racism is wrong (like u did before )but now ur saying that there should be no categories. confused neway that’s all folk, FogofWar: I don't get it? Clearly you do not get what Martin Luther King fought; and died to achieve. White men in Canada have no advantage left legally. In fact; it is the opposite. Equity acts give priority to everyone other than white males. This is not my concern. My concern is that there is a difference in treatment for anyone. If you want equality; then treat everyone equal; not different. | Politics Chat Room 72 People Chatting Similar Conversations |