Palestinians in efforts to be recognized as a state. (Page 3) davidk14: You not reading? They did and nothing came of it. Nothing. So by doing it again it is going to be different?  Anna2you: lool..i am reading but this is starting to sound like a broken record....kind of like this is what happened then so we going to assume its going to happen again so whats the point of trying...in a mean time just 2 days ago israel send 3 bombs to Gaza....lol...yes they are really for peace here....its just so obvious...and that is supposed to make the Palestinian say...yes hurray Israel...lol and you are not giving any constructive suggestions ....except one side has to put their pride aside and say yeah...we agree to your existence...obviously if they willing to talk they acknowledge israel...how could they not being bombed and killed on regular basis...and you expect any thing different in return....? if they have to bow their heads..so should israel....and you are wrong much more people are agains hamas than they are for. Anna2you: so yes sit there and read and preach...and people like you sadden me...because israel is dear to me fo my own reasons. you dont have to live there and put up with daily dangers...that goes for both sides...you can just preach while antisemitism is growing world wide because of some of isrels actions and the loss of popularity of their big allies...us for example. better to just wait for middle east to unite on that issue ...is that what you like to see?....and to be honest i really resent people who live in safe environments telling others to keep fighting. and by the way are you realy aware how big portion of Israelis feel about it?...well keep preaching i am out of here because this is pointless....you sound just as fanatical as hamas. (Edited by Anna2you) davidk14: . Fanatical as Hamas? You obviously do not read my posts. I'm all for a two state solution vs. Hamas who calls for the genocide of the Jewish people, in their own words and deeds. You don't want to discuss facts, that is your choice. .  (Post deleted by staff ) (Post deleted by staff ) (Post deleted by staff ) davidk14: . There are a number of websites. Here is just one of them that has the entire Charter. http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm . (Post deleted by staff ) Sarcastic Dots: Palestine has been admitted to UNESCO. Looking at the results, it looks like Britain is going to abstain again, so the US is alone with its ability to VETO. Basically, if enough people vote against the VETO then it is void. Major Countries who voted Against Palestine: USA Israel Canada Germany Major Countries who voted for Palestine: Brazil Russia China India South Africa France Major Countries that abstained: Britain Video of admittance. davidk14: Palestinians are attacking Israel and the UNESCO recognizes the terrorists....amazing. Just tells you how fucked up the UN is: Netanyahu to Gaza Militants: Whoever Attacks Israel Is 'Risking His Life' Published October 31, 2011 | Associated Press JERUSALEM – With rockets falling on southern Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday issued a tough warning to Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip, saying that those who attack his country are risking their lives. Netanyahu delivered the threat in a policy speech to Israel's parliament. He spoke shortly after his foreign minister urged Israel to go even further and topple the Islamic Hamas regime in Gaza. The Israeli military has been battling rocket-firing Palestinian militant squads for several days. The fighting has killed at least 10 Palestinian militants and an Israeli civilian. It is the worst Israeli-Palestinian violence in months. In his speech, Netanyahu vowed to act with "strength and determination" against the militants. "Whoever attacks Israel is risking his life," he said. Despite Egyptian efforts to mediate a cease-fire, Palestinian rockets continued to strike Israel on Monday, including a pair of projectiles that exploded shortly after Netanyahu's speech. There were no reports of injuries or damage. The Hamas militant group, which has killed hundreds of Israelis in past violence, has not been directly involved in the latest rocket fire. Israel says the group, which has ruled Gaza since overrunning the territory in 2007, is responsible for all attacks emanating from the territory. Netanyahu's foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman, told his Yisrael Beitenu Party on Monday that the government cannot tolerate the continued attacks. "Israel's goal should be to topple the Hamas regime in Gaza," he said. In Gaza, Hamas officials condemned the Israeli threats. "These remarks reflect the brutal attitude and mentality of the enemy leadership, which does not respect the calm and all the efforts that have been made in this regard," said Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum. He urged the international community to pressure Israel not to launch "any crazy adventure" in Gaza. Despite the tough Israeli threats, removing Hamas would not be easy. Israeli defense officials say any such operation would take months and could involve heavy casualties. Since seizing control of Gaza, Hamas has smuggled in a formidable arsenal of weapons that include rockets capable of striking deep inside Israel, as well as anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons, according to Israeli assessments. __________________________________________ Here is Hamas attaking Israel and the Hamas spokesperson saiys; "These remarks reflect the brutal attitude and mentality of the enemy leadership, which does not respect the calm and all the efforts that have been made in this regard," said Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum. He urged the international community to pressure Israel not to launch "any crazy adventure" in Gaza. __________________________________________ They want to attack Israel, they want the approval of the UN, they want Israel condemned when they defend themselves. . . . (Edited by davidk14) (Post deleted by Sarcastic Dots ) davidk14: . Huge Muslim population in Britain as well as not a so friendly relationship with Israel recently. . Comrade_: So you're saying that the British leaders abstained due to having a large amount of Muslims? Comrade_: ...correction: "Are you implying that Britain abstained because the "Huge Muslim population" affected their decision?" Sarcastic Dots: Huge Muslim population in Britain as well as not a so friendly relationship with Israel recently. Lol no. Most people in Britain want Palestine to be recognised as a state. P.S. The party in power are the conservatives, who get few votes from Muslim's in Britain, so they aren't losing anything. I'll give you a recent poll in order to back up my own anecdotal evidence. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14946179 "Public opinion in the three large European Union member states included in the poll was strikingly similar on the issue: France (54% support, 20% opposition), Germany (53% v 28%) and the UK (53% v 26%)." America are alone in this due to their attachment to Christianity, something that is personal within Britain. Don't try to peddle this as something else. Britain chose to abstain because the majority of its people want Palestine recognised as a state, but they also want a strong relationship with the united states. (Edited by Sarcastic Dots) davidk14: . Also from the BBC website is the following: Twice in the last decade Israeli leaders - Ehud Barak in 2000 and Ehud Olmert in 2008 - have accepted Palestinian statehood. Dozens of settlements would have been uprooted and others concentrated in blocs along the border, in exchange for which Palestine would have receive compensatory territory from within Israel proper. The result would have been a contiguous Palestinian state in the equivalent of the territory taken by Israel in the 1967 Six Day War, with Jerusalem as a shared capital. Palestinian leaders effectively said no. That's because the deal would have required one significant reciprocal concession: confining the return of the descendants of Palestinian refugees from the 1948 war to a Palestinian state. The main obstacle to an agreement, then, is not territory or settlements but the Palestinian insistence on the "right" to demographically destroy the Jewish state. Absurdly, the Palestinian leadership is demanding that Palestinians immigrate not only to a Palestinian state but also to a neighboring state, Israel. That demand, of course, would lead to the internal collapse of the Jewish state - which is precisely the goal. This is why Palestinian leaders have rejected President Barack Obama's call that they recognise Israel as the homeland of the Jewish people. In a final agreement, Palestinians living in the diaspora will have the option of coming home to Palestine - just as Jews in their diaspora have the option of coming home to Israel. That is the essence of a two-state solution. Also, compensation should be offered to descendants of Palestinian refugees and to descendants of the nearly one million Jews who fled or were expelled from Arab countries and came, destitute, to Israel. Those are the kinds of details that need to be worked out in negotiations. The UN vote is an attempt by Palestinian leaders to evade their side's concessions in exchange for an Israeli withdrawal. A majority of Israelis recognise that ongoing occupation is devastating and that a peaceful Palestinian state is an existential need for Israel.But that same majority also fears that a Palestinian state could be an existential threat. The Israeli nightmare is that missiles - even primitive ones - launched from the West Bank highlands onto greater Tel Aviv would end normal life in this country. Should Israel then attempt to defend itself, the international community would brand it a war criminal. Those fears are well-founded. In 2005, Israel uprooted all its settlements in Gaza and withdrew to the international border. For many Israeli centrists, that was a test case for a possible withdrawal from the West Bank. The results were disastrous. Thousands of missiles fell on Israeli towns and villages along the Gaza border. Finally, four years after withdrawing, the Israeli army was sent back into Gaza to stop the attacks. The international community reacted with disproportionate outrage - including the creation of a biased UN commission of inquiry headed by Justice Richard Goldstone, who recently retracted some of his conclusions. . Comrade_: An article that puts it simple: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13701636 Q&A: Palestinian bid for full membership at the UN: Q. What are the Palestinians asking for? Q. What is the general process? Q. What might the resolution say? Q. What is the US position? Q. Is this symbolic or would it change facts on the ground? Q. Why is this happening now? Q. How is this different from previous declarations? Q. Who supports and opposes the UN option? (Edited by Comrade_) | Politics Chat Room 75 People Chatting Similar Conversations |