Planned Parenthood’s Annual Report: Got $487.4M in Tax Money, Did 329,445 Abortions (Page 3)

OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: Lavendar, you asked if I was going to help with the education, feeding and care for an unwanted child that was born and I will say....not by choice, but then again, if she chooses to have an unwanted child, I am given no choice in paying for it. It would seem that she has more rights than I do in that respect.
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lavendar_star
lavendar_star: Yes and I understand that OCD, but the end of the day if woman gets pregnant and she doesn't want to be a mother because she is too young or going to be single mum or a teen mum or is too poor she must have that child how is that not taking away the choice and liberty from that woman? is it right to have unwanted child who may have a horrible life????

In any free society shouldn't that choice be there and I'm sure for must pro lifers its based on religious beliefs than hows that any different for Saudi Arabia where a woman has no choice based upon religion.

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davidk14
davidk14: .

And there are children that are born into homes where the mother and father develop problems coping with children, that turns into abusive, mostly mental abuse, and where they don't have much money. But they never entertained the possibility to abort the child during pregnancy.

Should the government come in and determine income levels and perform mental testing before the woman becomes pregnant? How about after she becomes pregnant? What if she fails the testing which determines she and or her husband can't afford or care for the child? Abort? To save society?

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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: Lavendar, that is not what I said. I've already said that I am pro choice. but I'm equally pro responsibility. I shouldn't have to pay for the poor planning or bad decisions of someone else.

And why should I feel more guilty than the mother if that child has a horrible life?
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lavendar_star
lavendar_star: yes I understand that OCD, so there's my point wouldn't it be better to pay for an abortion far cheaper through your tax money than the cost of a unwanted child. If you lol had the choice or no choice between the two.
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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: To me, that is enabling bad decisions, Lavendar. If I had gotten pregnant, I would have had to face that decision and it would not be made lightly. Nor would I have asked anyone to fix it for me. People who make the choice to have abortions are not all victims.
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lavendar_star
lavendar_star: you shouldn't but my point is we live in a irresponsible society my government spends money on advertisement and other public campaigns for people not to binge drink and not to drink and drive but they still do and it cost in both the tax payer i.e. NHS and other people i.e hit n runs and assaults etc.


Its beyond my understanding why people are or continue to be irresponsible but it just happen, so wouldn't be cheaper for society to pay for abortions through the tax payer than the cost of the up bring of the child.

Either way David I am pro choice and who are you or anyone else to tell me that I as a woman (which has never happened) cant have an abortion,, thank you

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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: David, I understand what you are saying. But just as government should not interfere with a moral issue, neither should that government enable those same bad decisions at the expense of others.
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lavendar_star
lavendar_star: Yes I know they are not all victims but either way if they want to have abortion they should have the right to do so and if they are too poor or on low income I personally have no problem paying for it considering the cost off or the type of life that child may have.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

I can't stop you from aborting a human being because he or she is unwanted. Try this, get pregnant, have the child, and shoot the child in the head. Technically, abortion is the same thing.

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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: Lavendar, you have made my point. No matter how much our governments take from the responsible and give to the irresponsible, will we ever realize that there comes a point that we cannot make other people responsible. We cannot make them care. We cannot make them do the right thing. There will always be misery and we have to decide for ourselves whether we are willing to enable it.

I'm not.
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Chad_
Chad_: David let me ask you this.........

Can you have a ABORTION?

Or have You ever had one?
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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: In a perfect world every child would be loved and protected. I do believe that some people should never know the miracle of life. Unfortunately, evil people also have children.
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Chad_
Chad_: If you are a male like me then you need to respect a womans body and choice.....Its odd how you have such a strong view on a subject....

that you cant ever have one....
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lavendar_star
lavendar_star: no its not David and now your trying to be emotive which is not fair and using that example is irrational and plain silly. For using that argument is quite insensitive to woman who may read this and had a abortion which is her CHOICE to do so.

I agree with you OCD but in the end society will be responsible as the drunk may attack me or run me over because they are irresponsible so if my government want to spend money which may only reach one person I rather they do that than do nothing. Same goes for a child born into a poor or unwanted household who may grow up to be a criminal. I don't want to enable but support, like I said maybe instead of giving so much welfare that money should be redirected into making childcare affordable.
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Chad_
Chad_: My views and thoughts on this subject are this......

Why should a man have any vote or thoughts on something so personal and private that we cant ever have.

Should you have a say with the person you got pregant....YES...but as far as a vote to out law it...or change a womans right to choose .....is not right or fair being a man......
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Are you against war?

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Chad_
Chad_: david hey bro I dont want no war or beef with you.........

and I dont like abortion.....but I do respect a womans right of choice....
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lavendar_star
lavendar_star: lol david and what's that got to do with abortion??? I'm against war but Im also against a women choice being taken away from her by society or government or peoples individual beliefs, do you know in war many women are raped do they have the choice according to you to have a abortion if they get pregnant.

Your trying to bring in personal or religious beliefs into personal choice, considering you come from country that prides itself on personal choice and liberty Im bemused by that.
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lavendar_star
lavendar_star: I'm the same as you chad Im not really for abortion and if I ever got pregnant by accident I would still have a child. However, if the choice has been taken away from me that is not right and not right for any other women in a free society unless I wanted to live in Iran or Saudi Arabia that is.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Chad said: “…and I dont like abortion.....but I do respect a womans right of choice.

David responds:

So, you don’t like abortion, but you do respect a woman’s right to terminate a life.



Star said: “…lol david and what's that got to do with abortion??? I'm against war but Im also against a women choice being taken away from her by society or government or peoples individual beliefs, do you know in war many women are raped do they have the choice according to you to have a abortion if they get pregnant.

Your trying to bring in personal or religious beliefs into personal choice, considering you come from country that prides itself on personal choice and liberty Im bemused by that.

David responds:

So, you are against war, but you also respect a woman’s right to terminate life. Double standard?

And where did I try to bring in religious beliefs into this conversation?

Yes, I come from a country that prides itself on personal choice and liberty….for the unborn child as well, since they are also citizens and covered by the constitution. This is my point of view of course since abortion is legal in the US.

And I do believe that there are some situations where abortion can be considered as an alternative but not for birth or population control as in China.

Regarding women in combat, I have always been against women in combat especially since rape by the enemy is used as a weapon.

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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: I have a bit different view. I know this. I do believe that a man should have some input if it is his child. I've already said that I know this can never be equitable if people are unreasonable.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

What it really comes down to is this....

When do you believe life begins.

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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: At inception.
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lavendar_star
lavendar_star: Well I wasn't talking about women in combat in regards to war just as civilians, you may see it as double standards but if a women gets accidental or irresponsibly pregnant who are you or anyone else force her to continue her pregnancy.

Why should that unborn child life be more important that a life that already exists, like I said are you or anyone else going to help the mother raise that child or comfort the mother emotionally and psychologically.

Also there is much debate in what stage a foetus is considered a child i.e. in the beginning of conception its just a collection of cells upto 5 month when it becomes more distinguished as a child.

I don't think that the one baby policy is right but understandable we have too many people on this planet not enough food or space for that matter. Like I said are you or other pro lifers going to financially, emotional and physical contribute to the up bringing of these children that you or someone else believes must be born no matter the decision of the women. Which essentially means a women body is not her own and she has no freedom over her own body. I hope abortion continue to stay legal in your country if it is truly is a free society.
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