Creationist state funded school- Should it be allowed???? (Page 3) lavendar_star: "The concept of entropy had been used, especially in recent years, to help support the idea that evolution is impossible. The "proof" goes: In natural processes, a system will always lose order or stay the same (second law of thermodynamics). Evolution is a natural process where life gains order & complexity. Evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics. Therefore, evolution must be false. The problem in this argument comes in step 3. Evolution does not violate the second law, because the Earth is not a closed system. We gain radiated heat energy from the sun. When drawing energy from outside the system, it is in fact possible to increase the order of a system."http://physics.about.com/od/physicsmyths/tp/physicsmyths.htm I have read on this and it seems to be the new faze for creationist to try and discredit evolution despite most scientists the world over claiming it validity and also offering rebuttals. I guess if something challenges someones beliefs no matter what evidences is presented one will still ignore it to protect their own belief system and to call it a religion as well lol where the place of worship. To call evolution a religion or a belief then one could say the same for neuroscience or the big bang theory. Also nobody in the development of relgion used science to test it out either, I'm bit confused by how that logic is reached. "K.R. Miller writes: "This means that some parts of a system may indeed become more orderly and complex so long as this increase in order is balanced by an equal or greater decrease in order elsewhere. This, of course, is exactly what living things do -- as they grow and evolve they use enormous amounts of energy (usually in the form of food), producing a thermodynamic balance in the system as a whole. The second law no more forbids evolution than it forbits a tiny seed from growing into a larger, more complex tree. Both processes require energy to proceed, and both are in perfect accordance with the laws of thermodynamics." 2 There are many examples on earth in which entropy decreases and order increases: The formation of snowflakes. Formation of salt crystals. Seeds becoming plants. Eggs becoming chickens. Newborn humans becoming adults. Evolution of species of life is one more example. Evolution on earth was/is made possible by the rise in entropy in the sun. "http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_young1.htm I have read through the the information and in my mind this so called flaw makes no impact on what scientists have used through scientific research and observation in presenting evolution. Also if thermodymanics disproves evolution for some creationists (because some religious people accept evolution) then by logic it would disprove God, cause God would unable to work against the laws of thermodymanics ( but the I guess the loop hole would be that its God so it has no rules). What I also find interesting it that people are using science to disprove a scientific theory, to use the logic that evolution is just a theory or a belief then one could also apply that to the laws of thermodymanics which is a younger scientific theory then evolution. Anyway, as I put the majority of the scientific community accepts Evolution then it should continue to be taught in science class, where as religion where there isnt much historical or scientific evidence to support that should stay in religious studies. If one want to believe in creationism that's all good for them, but for the intellectual minds of the youth of the nation they should not be taught creationism on par with Evolution or any other scientific theory in science class and paid the state too. Once upon a time the Islamic world were leaders of the scientific world whilst Europe was in the dark ages until they become fundamental became a slave to their Holy book because Allah did everything. (Edited by lavendar_star)  StuckInTheSixties: A scientific theory (such as evolution) is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment." Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy. As with all forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and do not make apodictic propositions; instead, they aim for predictive and explanatory force. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge. This is significantly different from the word "theory" in common usage, which implies that something is unproven or speculative. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory Google "evolution thermodynamics" and you get page after page of articles saying that evolution does not violate the second law of thermodynamics. There are a scant few arguing otherwise, but those are the aberrant few. lavendar_star: lol I already copied and paste sections of that wiki link myself, but if one strongly disagree with something they are very unlikely to change from that position especially when it could challenge their religious beliefs. no offense Barbie StuckInTheSixties: What we see here with Barbie Marie is typical, and anti-science. It begins with the unalterable answer - in this case, something found in Hebrew scripture - and then contorts and edits the available information in an attempt to accommodate that. Science, on the other hand, begins not with the answer but with the question, and sifts through the best available information to find the answer, willingly modifying that answer as newer and better information becomes available. Dogma vs. science.  MercuryDragon: All I need to say here is that I agree with SITS 100%, he has already outlined anything I can think of. Kudos to you, sir.  Barbara the Jew: First of all I am not anti science. I am anti  what have I contorted and edited? Show me that out of caos comes order. Lavender you are only showing one aspect of thermodynamics there is more to that then the explanation offered. I am not offended by science and i like it when people challedge my religious believes.  SITS you know its easy to point the finger and call people anti science the muslims use that card called islamophobe, when you show contructive critism in their culture. Your name calling is a perfect example of fundamentalism in religion when someone from a diferent point of view challenges your believes. Evolution is not science is a religion and if evolution is funded by the goverment as a subject of learning so should creationism. as far as proof there are many Archeologist jews, christians and secular that would desagree on your statement that there is no evidance of biblical history. StuckInTheSixties: Don't you dare try to turn this into a portrayal of anti-Semitism. Shame on you! (Edited by StuckInTheSixties) lavendar_star: I didnt say there isnt any evidence of biblical history , I said there isnt much evidence to support religions as a whole and there are also archaeologist and historians jews, christians and secular who concede that the Holy books stories are not 100% truthful and that the history isnt 100% truthful either. Also evolution is not a belief its a scientific theory there is a difference. Barbara the Jew: Well you have a point. History is told by the people who expirience it. It we all expirience life dirently.  ntrigonometry: Israel is the center of the world, center of the universe and the center of History; Jesus is God, and unless you 1 destroy Israel and 2 kill all the jews and then 3 remove the last knowledge of the BOOK from mankind you will never get rid of TRUTH lavendar_star: wtf,  so you say ntri and your comment has nothing to do with the thread topic and I dont agree with you also. lavendar_star: lol Barbie, I was kind off debating with him on a religious thread, where he has damned me to hell for being a non believer, he must of checked my profile. ntrigonometry: that power of the block button feels good don't it? But you know you only will have such options until you find out, by then it'll be to late, faith is required not proof. Barbara the Jew: block botton! I am shaking you want to caps lock me to death as well. Dude your a fruit loop I have faith you just a nut case! ntrigonometry: Somehow i know you failed to understand to whom that was pointed at, as i don't know you barbara marie; you little judgemental ain't you? | Politics Chat Room 95 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
I am not a semite. 