US ambassador and 3 others killed at embassy in Libya by Islamists (Page 2)
OCD_OCD: Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi asked the Egyptian embassy in Washington to take legal action in the United States against makers of a film attacking the Muslim Prophet Mohammad, the official state news agency said on Wednesday.
Morsi had requested the mission take "all legal measures", the MENA agency said, without giving further details on what that might involve. (Reuters)
micro88: How dare Morsi even ask such a thing?
As for the attack being coordinated, how big of a suprise would that be?
lavendar_star: That president of Egypt is having a laugh, who is he to dictate what should happen on US soil.
I understanding your sentiment Kalley but that's quite unrealistic, I mean as OCD put in another thread if the US or the UK are not frienemies lol with theses nation China and Russia will be and possibly some of these nations would be a greater risk to our allies and possibly to our nations. i.e. Pakistan who have nuclear weapons and their risk to India. Also no country is a island and American and UK companies do business in these nations and we get national resources from these countries i.e. oil and that will stop if we dont give hand outs and the global advantage both economically and politically will go to China and Russia.
I dont like my nation relationship with Saudi Arabia due to how they treat women like second class citizens and despite our arrogance we will not change their attitude one bit despite our foreign minster believing otherwise) But in us having a relationship with them this is the reason we pacify them and our businesses having a advantage in doing business there. Also Saudi Arabia fund and influence many of these Muslim schools in the West some of which are quite conservative and sectarian so be enemies with them could be very risky. Also one should remember these protesters dont reflect the attitude of all the people in Libya or Egypt but I do think we should be far more tougher on them. Its a tricky situation but those people who were protesting need to get the message that people like it or lump it have the right to criticise Islam, protest all you want but murder NO.
"Kill a U.S. ambassador & fear no reprisals" is the message the world will be seeing (Edited by micro88)
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-No, I think the majority of the world knows the situation and had it been in another country their ambassador etc would've been targeted. It has happened before where a depiction of the prophet Muhammed sparked this type of reaction, I'm not surprised and I don't know what will be done about it now as it might happen again.
How come the makers of the film didn't see this coming? don't know what their motives were or what the film was about but it is common knowledge how some extremist act towards those type of things, idk why.
ps Free-speech is accepted and tolerated in other countries but there would always be that culture-clash I think
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Coffrey: What I'm curious about is conservatives' reactions to Romney's statement over this, basically attacking the president over what the embassy's statement, while under siege, which was about religious tolerance and not blatantly inciting violence among religious folks. Romney's statement: "When our grounds are being attacked, and being breached, that the first response of the United States must be outrage at the breach of the sovereignty of our nation. And apology for America's values is never the right course,sympathiz[ing] with those who waged the attacks."
a depiction of muhammed sparked outrage before, but no one`s embassy was attacked and no diplomats murdered (isn`t this considered an act of war? or not, because it was a Consulate, not an embassy?)
I also wonder about the producers of the film in question. Someone who would make such a thing would not do it for any GOOD reason. I wonder if it was put out to create tensions. I would not be suprised because only a total moron wouldn`t think that it would cause an uproar.
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Coffrey: Actually, it wasn't random Libyans who killed the ambassador and the other people, it was the al-Quaeda sect there.
The producer of the film appears to be an Israeli who actually lied to the cast and crew about the movie. It was supposed to be a movie about how things were in Egypt 2,000 years ago and if you notice, the really offensive stuff was dubbed in.
Comrade_: An act of war on whom? All of Libya? Please better to think things out than start on war talk.
The guy who did a depiction of Muhammed was a European man I think, he received death threats and there were murder attempts. Imagine that this was only a cartoon. If they could've had their hands on him he would've been a dead man, no doubt on that. It is something that has been happening and will continue to happen, it is complicated in a sense because it is not reserved to one group of people.
micro88: I asked if it was an act of war to attack an embassy or consulate and murder an ambassador.
Comrade_: No, not to my knowledge, I know there were attacks on embassies before but in this case I'm not sure if there.
You would back a war if it was called by your country concerning this?
micro88: Even if the actions of the Libyans against U.S. diplomats were considered acts of war I would not back a war because of it. I only asked a question to see if someone knew with certainty.
Coffrey: I think it's way extreme to think this is any where worthy of declaring war. When there are riots in Los Angeles or New York, would we declare war on those cities?
micro88: *see above, coffrey.
I asked if people`s attacks on foreign embassies (and the murders of diplomats ensue) are considered an act of war (embassies being the soil of the ambassadors). that was it.
micro88: ps Free-speech is accepted and tolerated in other countries but there would always be that culture-clash I think ... JackEthan.
Yes, I do believe this, Jack, culture-clash will always be. Everyone has to learn tolerance and progress EXCEPT for rabid radicals of Islam. We`ve all got to walk on eggshells to not raise their ire
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lavendar_star: I agree the film makers seem really sneaky how they got the film made and that it was design to provoke Muslims but they still had a right to make it under US law and the protesters have no right under common human decency to be violent or murder people ( who have nothing to do with the movie). It seems the violent protests have spread around the Islamic world ( I bet 99% of people haven't even watched it.). I think there is no excuse for these protesters behaviour regardless of the videos content, Islam can not be immune to criticism.
There was a documentary I watched 2 weeks ago called Islam the untold story on Channel 4 (UK channel) and unlike the film that caused all this mayhem, it was produced and presented by academic the guy a professor who presented the film has received death threats and 1200 people have complained about the documentary which question the historic truth about Islam. I'm sorry but we cant live in a world where nobody can question, research or examine the roots and historical accuracy of Islam.
Mystery over who made the film as its claim Israel has no record of the man who apparently made the movie.
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lavendar_star: "A search is on for the man behind the 'blasphemous' film that branded Mohammed a fraud, a pedophile and a womaniser and sparked deadly protests after records apparently reveal he does not exist.
Questions have also arisen about the veracity of the film itself after a trailer shows it is poorly over-dubbed and edited - despite claims it cost $5 million to make. The producer, whose movie led to demonstrations that left the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other American officials dead on Tuesday, has previously claimed he was an Israeli Jew named Sam Bacile living in California. But his identity began to crumble as it emerged Israeli authorities had no records of him being a citizen, and there were no property, phone, license or court records of Bacile in California.
He also has virtually no footprint in the Hollywood community, has no agent listed on IMDBPro and no credits on any film or TV production.
Steve Klein, a consultant for the film, told the National that Bacile is not Israeli or Jewish and is in fact working under a pseudonym - but he does not know the man's real name. It raises questions over the real identity of the man behind the 'offensive' film and his motives for creating a movie that promised to spark outrage - and death. And it appears he fooled the 80 cast and crew members who worked on the film, Innocence of Muslims, who claimed in a statement that they were misled by the producer.
'The entire cast and crew are extremely upset and feel taken advantage of by the producer,' they said. 'We are 100% not behind this film and were grossly misled about its intent and purpose. 'We are shocked by the drastic re-writes of the script and lies that were told to all involved. We are deeply saddened by the tragedies that have occurred.' 'Bacile' claimed the two-hour movie cost $5 million and was financed with the help of more than 100 Jewish donors, who believe the film will help his native land by exposing Islam's flaws to the world. Yet the film's trailer, which is on YouTube, show poor production values that call that tall expenditure into question.
Klein, who works as a Christian activist in California, said 'Bacile' contacted him with help on the film as he leads anti-Islam protests. 'The Middle East Christian and Jewish communities trust me,' he said