US ambassador and 3 others killed at embassy in Libya by Islamists (Page 27)

lavendar_star: Great I would say many people regardless of nationality or political leaning are confused or misunderstand why many countries have had problem. Firstly the EU is not one country lol and every nation state as I put have had different issues from the Greeks not paying their taxes, to banking crisis in Spain and the UK. I just think people blame the crisis on one thing or another which supports their political views and vilify their opposite political ideology rather then admit that the crisis is and was greater then the politics of left or right.

Great2012: but we can really see the right wing conservatives have no clue about economy and people.
They are die hard about their believe even if the result they get is bleeding , we can see this in american and UK , take david cameron he still is blaffing and talk rubbish about small government while the UK people are finding very hard to put food in the table .

lavendar_star: Well on this thread with some yes but in general no, I mean some liberals would blame it all on the bankers and the rich but that's too simplistic and its more complex then that, I mean in the UK our welfare bill is too big which has been a added burden. . As for David Cameron he is so annoying looking to take Britain back to the dark ages with taking away workers rights, I'm mean he has a point that's how China and India are able to competitive with the West and take away jobs because the have no workers rights, bad working conditions or a decent wage. With Cameron he is unfairly just targeting the poor, working and middle classes whilst letting the rich of the hook. But i do agree that he is out of touch with the common men and women in the UK which not surprising considering his privilege background.

lori100: 'Confessions of An Economic Hit Man' is John Perkins’ fast-paced autobiography, which reveals his career as an economist for an international consulting firm. ---------Perkins says he was actually an “Economic Hit Man” and his job was to convince countries that are strategically important to the United States to accept enormous loans for infrastructure development and to make sure that the lucrative projects were contracted to U.S. corporations.
---------------Perkins defines economic hit men as,

“highly paid professionals who cheat countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars. They funnel money from the World Bank, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and other foreign ‘aid’ organizations into the coffers of huge corporations and the pockets of a few wealthy families who control the planet’s natural resources.



Their tools include fraudulent financial reports, rigged elections, payoffs, extortion, sex, and murder. They play a game as old as empire, but one that has taken on new and terrifying dimensions during this time of globalization.”

In Perkins’ case, he was hired as an economist for the international consulting firm of Chas. T.Main, Inc. (MAIN).



He was told in confidential meetings with “special consultant” to the company Claudine Martin that he had two primary objectives:

He was supposed to justify huge loans for countries. These loans would be for major engineering and construction projects, which were to be carried out by MAIN and other U.S. companies such as Bechtel, Halliburton, Stone & Webster and Brown & Root.


He was supposed to help bankrupt the countries that received these loans after the U.S. companies involved had been paid. This would make sure that these countries would remain in debt to their creditors and would then be easy targets when the U.S. needed favors such as military bases, UN votes and access to natural resources like oil.

Perkins’ job was to produce economic growth projections that would make the case for a variety of major projects.



If the U.S. decided to lend a country money (in order to persuade its leaders not to align with the Soviet Union, for example), Perkins would compare the economic benefits of different projects such as power plants or telecommunications systems. He would then produce reports that showed the economic growth the country would experience due to these projects. These economic growth projections needed to be high enough to justify the loans. Otherwise, the loans would be denied.


----------The U.S. engineering and construction companies involved would be assured of great wealth. At the same time, a few wealthy families and influential leaders in the receiving countries would become very happy and very rich thanks to these loans. The leaders of these countries would also have bolstered political power because they were credited with bringing industrial parks, power plants and airports to their people.

The problem is that these countries simply cannot handle the debt of these loans and their poorest citizens are deprived of health, education and other social services for several decades as these countries struggle economically to overcome their huge debts.



Meanwhile, the huge American media conglomerates portray these projects as favors being provided by the United States. American citizens in general have no trouble believing these messages, and in fact are led to perceive that these actions are unselfish acts of international goodwill.

Ultimately, due to the large debts, the U.S. is able to draw on these countries for political, economic and military favors whenever desired.



And of course, the U.S. corporations involved with the expensive projects become extremely wealthy.

OCD_OCD: And how does that have anything to do with the killing of the American Ambassador in Libya, Lori?

Great2012: i read the economic hit man , i can say it is a false and has nothing to do with all the points you all metioned

OCD_OCD: Not surprising since Lori's "facts" have more to do with fantasy.

OCD_OCD: There's a certain amount of natural progression to a thread and then there's the crazy conspiracy rantings of Lori.

lori100: they were talking about economic problems, just showing how illum in govts manipulate world economies to keep countries poor

OCD_OCD: Everything that occurs in the world is not tied to your imaginary Illuminati, UFO's, aliens or lizard people, Lori.

lori100: keep believing govt and political propaganda like they want you to....no need to know the truth....

OCD_OCD: Oh, Look, Lori! Lizard people!
Over there!

---------------------->

Round 'em up.

OCD_OCD:

lavendar_star: lol Actually it was another American who was blaming all the world's woes on the leftists and was off topic and I responded to that and then David responded to that, still name calling southern. sad.

OCD_OCD: Southern, please stop.

lavendar_star: OK this is tiresome, I did not attack you I commented on what you had to say in a thread, i did not call you any names or insult you and then you continued with your name calling. On my profile which i have now deleted I commented on your name calling and insulting and inability to engage with a debate. But whatever your something else and should be able to take when people disagree with your opinion that is not the same as attacking or name calling someone. Bloody hell. lol

As for Lori Illuminati are not behind every curtain.

lavendar_star: that's fine I know I havent done anything wrong and there is only one person calling anyone names here but play the victim if you want.