US ambassador and 3 others killed at embassy in Libya by Islamists (Page 9)

Comrade_:
Their people are being fed, before the invasion they were fed, and after your troops leave they'll be fed. Don't act as if you're so concerned on the welfare of the people there.

No, it is just my country don't interfere in the politics of another, no propping of dictators to have our way, no whining when countries refuse to take our view on things.

There are ways in which certain power-hungry countries choose to deal with certain countries that others don't.

Just consider yourself lucky that you can sit comfortably at home with the delusion of being under serious threat when you don't have to worry about a NATO air-strike on your family or some mentally unstable soldier entering your house and shooting your family or being bombed. You've not been in the situation of having another country invade yours and to live in these situations so don't even aim to consider your views higher than mine.

Bottom-line, you've added nothing and you'll leave with nothing.

davidk14: .

Jack,

Your country is so frickin small, I'm surprised you have electricity. Angola has a higher GDP than you folks. Some may consider that you are jealous of the 100+ countries that are more successful than yours.

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OCD_OCD: Why are you so angry, Jack? There have been and will always be larger countries who will always be at loggerheads because one faction wants something that the other doesn't. Keeping one from taking over the world is why there are wars.

The ideals in the world are not going to change to one of Utopia where everyone lives in peace and prosperity. It simply will not happen because there are tyrants and dictators and factions, (both political and religious) who either don't care whether their people live or die and some who are actively participating in the deaths of their people.

You can wish it were not so, but wishing isn't going to make it happen.

Comrade_:
Think we know where the anger is sparking from. I've only stated the reality, nothing you can disagree with. Your dealings with other countries is what got you in your mess.
Better to not play holy when you have so much dirt and blood on your hands. Keep in mind those are the same tyrants and dictators you've supported.

As for Davidk, I'm surprise you know what electricity is, given your literacy rates..but then again I'd be surprise that you'd know that a- is for apple given your obesity ones too.
Want to go down the troll-road with me? We can do it holding hands.

Comrade_: btw No one is aiming for a Utopia, think everyone knows the reality that there'll be wars and disagreements, just also know that you've not helped (or helping) the situation in your approach.

davidk14: .

Jacko,

Was watching a few of the attacks on the embassies recorded on cell phones. Do you actually believe (I would use the word think, but with you Jack, that word does not compute), do you actually believe that these people are better informed than us? That they understand what America really is...or are they the lemmings?

I vote Lemmings.

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OCD_OCD: Jack, "I" am not doing anything.

Comrade_:
"OCD_OCD: As I said before, "we" can leave the middle east and everyone there would starve..."

My "you" is directed at your "we".

um no rocket science there OCD, on who 'you' means the 'US government's actions'.

OCD_OCD: When "WE" leave the Middle East, they will starve. WE is all of the Western countries that buy their oil.

Coffrey: The point is pretty simple. They know which of their so-called leaders are puppets of the west, ie USA, that's why all of their attacks are aimed at the US. Of course it does blow over to European countries, but it's predominantly USA, why do you think that is? It's because every tank that has bulldozed through their neighborhood had Old Glory painted on the side of it. Obviously there are going to be wars and dictators and bad shit in the world, doesn't mean that taking part in it is going to make things any better.

Let's reach some sort of agreement. Are we agreed that countries should be left to themselves, that the citizens pick their own leaders and not have to have interference from other countries? And any country that does involve itself in another country's affair for profit or resources should rightly be called wrong or bad or evil or whatever negative adjective you can think of?

OCD_OCD: I am fine with leaving them to themselves, but that means removing all US aid. The death toll will be astronomical. I'm not sure you would like to see that happen, either. But people will die from disease and starvation without US Aid.

OCD_OCD: Not to mention the ethnic cleansings that will occur. I'm assuming that you will find that acceptable?

Comrade_: Leave their politics to themselves, if you wish to send aid go right ahead, invasion & propping up dictators isn't aid.

OCD_OCD: Why would we want to feed them? I know that sounds harsh, but honestly. Why would we? They exploit us for our money and we exploit them for their goods. Except for Africa and Haiti and many of the other countries. They have nothing to sell, just lots of starving people and people preying on their own countrymen.

Comrade_: Who are you talking to, OCD?
and who's the "we"

OCD_OCD: I'm talking to you, Jack. You said that "we" Americans should leave everyone alone, but we could feed those poor and abused countries since we should feel it incumbent to take that burden on ourselves.

Comrade_: I said to leave their politics alone.

Which ME you feed btw? We should be specific and start listing.

OCD_OCD: Are you going to get petty now, Jack?

You know that the US gives a massive amount of aid to feed and bring medical care and education all over the world. I sent you a link about US aid last week.

Comrade_: hmm how is that petty?

Feeding someone is different from sending aid, the aid the US send don't mean that the world or the countries they send it to are relying only on this. Middle Eastern countries do trade. Saying "feed them" gives a different impression.
Believe it or not other countries do send aid out of their taxes too.

If there are Middle Eastern countries who fit what you're talking about: needs to be fed by the US or they'll starve, then I'd appreciate if you can list them, no dig or pettiness.

Coffrey: And the aid isn't at all political? Who does the aid go to? The government of those countries, right? That's kind of the point I'm trying to make, maybe Jack's trying to make it too, the aid we give goes to the puppet leaders that will do the USA's bidding.
I'm totally okay with going through private organizations (that are legit and credible) who are on the ground, giving directly to the people. But not in favor of giving it to their government

OCD_OCD: http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/us-foreign-aid.htm

How else are they to get aid other than to work through their established government. Are we going to drop medicine, corn, cows and cash from helicopters?

OCD_OCD: They don't have to take the money. We give out billions to Pakistan and yes, it is to feed their people so that the militants there don't go trying to invade India, Turkey, etc. You think Pakistan would simply be benevolent to all?

OCD_OCD: It is extortion and we pay it to keep the peace. It is a way of controlling the brutal tyrants in Africa also. They want to go do a little ethnic cleansing? We threaten to stop their money so they will end the murders.

Yes, we do manipulate them. And there are probably a lot of people in small, backward countries who are glad of it.