A Preacher and Gay-Rights

Gypsy_Soul: Watch the whole thing. It's well worth it.

halfapintdoll: Now that was very good indeed!

Ride_On: Thats pretty awesome

Karma:

Gypsy_Soul: Today's homophobes are the racists of yesterday.

Illuminatist: LOL I think that was a FAIL, bud

Nymphetamine Ene: heh, look i m bisexual, and i m annoyed by gaypride...why someone should parade about their sexuality? it is silly, and it is provoking ppl.. no need for that.. fuck who you wanna, how you wanna, but don t parade about it...

Illuminatist: I half-agree with you.....

But, in my opinion, I think it might be akin to why African-american people

"parade" with, for example, the million man march. For years, "black" people have been dismissed as "less than human", and to parade, seems to be a thing about self-respect, among other things.




However, I fully admit, that I am just guessing about the matter, as I am neither African-american, nor "gay".

halfapintdoll: Gay pride or LGBT pride is the positive stance against discrimination and violence toward lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people to promote their self-affirmation, dignity, equality rights, increase their visibility as a social group, build community, and celebrate sexual diversity and gender variance. Pride, as opposed to shame and social stigma, is the predominant outlook that bolsters most LGBT rights movements throughout the world.

Pride is still relevant today particularly when the LGBT community are still to this day lobbying for the same human rights afforded to heterosexual couples; a current example would be the political arguments surrounding gay marriage in the USA. While the LGBT community are still experiencing discrimination then Gay (LGBT) Pride marches will still be relevant, it has nothing to do with ones sexual preferences but essential human rights.

Nymphetamine Ene: i wouldn t let gay couple to adopt a child, i admit hat..it is not healthy enviroment for normal social and mental devolope of child.. but also i wouldn t let many hetero couples to have children.... so...

halfapintdoll: ^^ and you wonder why I think you're an idiot.
It's a good job you will never be in a position to make such decisions.

Nymphetamine Ene: ^and you womnder why i think you are verry selfobserved bitch.... sometimes ppl disagree with you,deal with it.. i never say i m right, just having an opinion...
can you even imaine how much abuse from other kids would child in homo fammily get? and how would that child develope their on sexuality?

Illuminatist: @ Embrionic: Learn to spell, tard....

halfapintdoll: Based on that argument all children from heterosexual families are never bullied and all grow up to be straight? Any 'abuse' children with same sex parents get could be countered by well informed parents, not idiots with no conception of the real world, with ingrained homophobic beliefs. I am well aware people disagree with me, the reason I call you an idiot is that your arguments are based in age old, indoctrinated homophobia and have nothing to do with any sociological evidence.

Nymphetamine Ene: it is kinda silly calling someone tard based on spelling... you acctually know what is MR? i wouldn t be able to make sentence or think or even understand things like his convo if i was tard.... then again sorry i live in 3 world country and i m being tard and idiot coz english is not my first language and coz i say what i think.. hats verry mature and amazing. specialy comming from ppk who talk about human rights... you guys pooping in your mouths.

Nymphetamine Ene: @halfa ..you missed this part: but also i wouldn t let many hetero couples to have children.... so.. so i m aware of that too... every single thing has its own yes and against.. and balance somewhere in the middle.. btw you arestraight i m not, so don t talk to me about homophobia

Illuminatist: Your lame excuses for calling someone a bitch, do not wash, I am sorry lol.......

Sorry you live in a 3rd world country; English is not your 1st language, but apparently insults are

You are doing the "pooping". Your lack of any understanding prove this.

halfapintdoll: Well if your arguments are homophobic perhaps you should look at that?

Nymphetamine Ene: i m not homophobic, and my arguments ae not homophobic, i m just thinking about it... and i didn t start insults here, she id, i respect gypsy so i don t say poops to her friends on her blog

Gypsy_Soul: I'll clarify my stance: I don't care who you have sex with as long as all individuals involved are adults and its consensual. The issue I wish to draw attention to here is that in the USA we have tied certain personal rights provided by the government to the religious institution of marriage. In most states, it is illegal for homosexual couples to get married hence they, as individuals, are denied these rights as a result of their sexuality. This argument is usually supported by those who do not recognize a homosexual union as a "marriage" because the Biblical definition of a "marriage" is between a man and woman.

Many states refuse to accept the compromise of "civil unions" even though a civil union is just a relationship recognized by the government so the individual citizens involved in the relationship have access to the rights given to heterosexual couples. It makes no assumptions about the validity of these unions in the eyes of the church (in any of its several manifestations) nor does it force the church in any way to sanction or bless them. Other than blatant homophobia, I see no reason why this isn't an acceptable compromise.

To deny any group of taxpaying citizens certain rights based solely on their sexual preference is wrong and closely parallels the rights many citizens wished to deny black Americans based solely on their race.

Some of the rights afforded freely to heterosexual couples but denied to homosexual couples:
1. Social Security provides the sole means of support for some elderly Americans. All working Americans contribute to this program through payroll tax, and receive payments upon retirement. Surviving spouses of working Americans are eligible to receive Social Security payments. A surviving spouse caring for a deceased employee’s minor child is also eligible for an additional support payment. Surviving spouse and surviving parent benefits are denied to gay and lesbian Americans because they cannot marry.

2. The Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA) guarantees family and medical leave to employees to care for parents, children or spouses. As currently interpreted, this law does not provide leave to care for a domestic partner or the domestic partner’s family member. Family and medical leave should be a benefit for all American workers.

3. Currently, U.S. immigration law does not allow lesbian and gay citizens or permanent residents to petition for their same-sex partners to immigrate.

4. Several tax breaks for couples without children and for those raising children.

(Source: www.hrc.org)
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Gypsy_Soul: FYI- Not that it should matter but I'm neither gay nor parading. I'm a citizen. I believe in the ideal of equal rights and equal access among citizens. If you contribute to a community then you should have access to all the rights & services available to every member. As an atheist, I am more of a "threat" to the religious establishment than a spiritual homosexual but because I prefer sex with a man instead of a woman, I'm not denied any of these rights, even if I choose to get married outside the church in a civil ceremony. This is extremely illogical.

Gypsy_Soul: On more thing to consider....working homosexuals still have to pay the taxes that support all these federal programs despite the fact that they are denied access to them based on their sexual preferences.

To give you an idea of how extensive these taxes can be, the combination of state and federal taxes can be anywhere from 15-20% of your total pay. If you earn $3000 a month, you will pay anywhere from $450-600 each month (taken from your pay before you get it) to support federal and state programs, some of which you don't get to take advantage of just because you like to have sex a specific way.

Ride_On: Welp just to clear up a few things...i am a lesbian . I adopted and spent tens of thousands of dollars on health dental and mental health care for a child whom her biological and still married to her grandmother ..maternal grandfather molested her.On top of that her bio mother abused her sexually physically and mentally before the state stripped her of custody.My daughter suffered horrendous things which no human should ever have to experience.As a result of the issues she had no "straight" couples wanted her.She is now 26 yrs old and is a functioning adult.A yr ago i spoke to her child psych who treated her for over 11 yrs while under my care as a still then minor child.She informed me that when she first evalutaed her as a four n a half yr old she had little hope of her being able to attend actual school or being a remotely functioning adult.Not only did she become both of those things but recieved over forty gold medals in high school in UIL events but also granduated second in her class and recieved three scholarships.This child would have become a ward of the state and been shifted from foster home to foster home had it not been for myself and my ex who is also a woman. I personally give all you so called nonhomophobic people who believe that its unbefitting to place a child in a homosexual home to go out adopt a child whos even had half the issues my daughter did n see what happens .Her mother is still alive she suffers from schizophrenia and is in n out of mental institutions and jail .Her father and his mother are both in for planned premeditated multiple murders.

Gypsy_Soul: ^^^Exactly.

A person's worth in society is not determined by their race, their religion or their sexual preference but by their choices alone.

Illuminatist: I am quite simply for, any and all equal rights to live and let live, with peace, and to not be discriminated against, for ALL people.