A Preacher and Gay-Rights (Page 8)

Ride_On
Ride_On: Why is this still being discussed ? That is my question? I have gone months without reading it and curiosity got me once again..lol.Obviously nobody is going to change Zanjans opinions on this matter.So why bother she has continued the same opinion for months apparantly and as someone who is "gay" I personally see that she is closeminded and only cares about her own opinions unless it feeds her own ego to answer or reply to anothers post.Thank god we all live in free societies where we can have and voice our own opinions on whatever topic we chose.I will however say that being someone who is gay and has never been with a person of the opposite sex and raised by strict baptist parents never around or even knew anyone who was gay growing up. Im not sure how this can be classified as an addiction since i was never exposed to homosexual behavior didnt even know others existed as a child or adolescent.Being gay only effects the person who is gay since we r the only ones who are ridiculed for it and have to live with the stigmas attached to it daily,Im not sure besides people believing religously that its a bad thing how it effects anyone else?But then again when you look at these religions that believe its a bad thing they also believe drugs ,adultery ,sex out of wedlock,children born out of wedlock,drinking alcohol..and many other things are bad.Why is there so much focus on homosexuality? Since in society most of those other things are much more prodominate?Hmmm just food for thought....
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Zanjan
Zanjan: ". Im not sure how this can be classified as an addiction since i was never exposed to homosexual behavior"

It doesn't matter what came before - it matters what comes after. We were all once virgins too - that has nothing to do with where you take your body after that day. Children are curious and want to explore, but few of them have developed obsessions or addictions.

And whatever religion your parents were has little bearing on your own adult behaviour - the society around you has the most influence. Human nature automatically takes the path of least resistance, so it calls for decisive effort not to be sucked into a come-hither society of lemmings.

You need a reason not to buy into the hype.

"we r the only ones who are ridiculed for it and have to live with the stigmas attached to it daily"

You made that choice - don't expect us to want to get involved in the problems you created for yourself by doing so. Like you, we've also have made our own choices, knowing while going in, there will be flak flying. Healthy people are ready to deal with it.

Healthy people don't swing around and blame the world for whatever comes their way because of that choice - they don't ask others to fix their difficulties.

All converts to my religion knew there would be persecution for making that choice; they would lose some family members, who chose never to speak to them again for making that choice. We haven't complained. Those in the middle east who were born into this religion and who decided to stay in it, knew it would ultimately cost them their lives. They didn't complain.

"Why is there so much focus on homosexuality?"

Because homosexuals want attention. Most of us just pass them by on the street and think nothing of it - it's they who want to be in the headlines of every newspaper. Generally, bad people prefer to go into hiding.







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Ride_On
Ride_On: Lmao i find u such an arrogant human being zanjan its quite amusing to me really.You pass by many of us because most homosexuals dont walk around waving a flag.You would never know i was gay by working with me or living next door to me.Its simply part of who i am not my identity the same as what sexual preference you are is.ive not been persecuted in anyway shape or form by my family or anyone else for being who i am in the society i live in.ive been very fortunate in life ..yes even in this supposed right wing state.So you are saying that being gay is an addiction?then being straight is also one because according to you simply by making that statement ones sexual identity or preference is learned behavior.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Ride On.......I don't care what you think of me. Besides, that has nothing to do with the topic.

Furthermore, you're right that I have no interesting in your sex life.

Rideon: " we r the only ones who are ridiculed for it and have to live with the stigmas attached to it daily".....................".ive not been persecuted in anyway shape or form by my family or anyone else"

Well then, you're not suffering......yet are still complaining. How odd.

"ones sexual identity or preference is learned behavior. "

One's true sexual identity is one's physical, organic state at birth. One's faked sexual identity is an orientation. Any behavior can be contrived, with or without assistance from others. You can choose whether to learn something or not.











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Ride_On
Ride_On: Lmao im not complianing in any way ...perhaps its you who are the one complaining?I simply commented on what u have posted.The same as you stating that people who converted to your religion were persecuted there are people wo are gay who do not lead "out: lifestyles who are persecuted..lose their jobs or are treated badly simply because they are gay.Thank god ive not been one of them.And possibly its you that needs to learn something not I.Since i was not around anyone gay never knew being gay existed only knew i was different once puberty hit then how did i "learn" to be homosexual?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: ".perhaps its you who are the one complaining?"

Nope, I have no interest in taking up the cause for homosexuality. I'm not homosexual.

"i was different once puberty hit"

Oh gee, surprise surprise! Hint: we're all different when puberty hits.

You know, all sentient creatures are born equipped with their first learning tool - mimicry. Through following and imitating, one discovers things. For humans, mimicry is a primitive learning tool......through it, he learns manipulation, the next learning tool.

Never underestimate the intelligence of a baby; he can fold mimicry back on itself. He figures out he can use mimicry to manipulate others. Every human has this ability..and he refines it as he grows.

Since we all have this ability, we know there is another learning tool that comes after this - understanding how reality works allows us to practice self-discipline so one can follow reality precisely without any assistance from others. Mastering one's Self - that's the most advanced tool for learning.


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Whimsical Fairy
Whimsical Fairy: A US Supreme Court ruling on the Defense of Marriage Act could see a change in the law that currently denies legally married gay and lesbian couples federal benefits available to heterosexual married couples, including tax and Social Security benefits.

SAN FRANCISCO — For Mina Meyer and Sharon Raphael, two women in their 70s who fell in love more than four decades ago and have been married for more than four years, the U.S. Supreme Court's pending consideration of a law that prohibits the federal government from recognizing unions like theirs is about more than civil rights.

It's about buying a new roof for their California home, replacing their 2005 Toyota Camry, and ensuring Meyer doesn't take a financial hit if Raphael dies first.

The Supreme Court will hear oral arguments this month in a challenge to a provision of the Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, that denies legally married gay and lesbian couples federal benefits available to heterosexual married couples, including tax and Social Security benefits. A decision is not expected until the end of June, but accountants and tax attorneys anticipating the 18-year-old law's demise are already encouraging same-sex couples like Raphael and Meyer to seek prospective tax refunds, back retirement payments and other spousal subsidies they may have been denied.

It is unclear how the justices might rule, but the Obama administration and former President Bill Clinton, who signed the act into law, have urged the court to overturn it on grounds that it violates the civil rights of gay Americans. DOMA supporters, including House Republicans led by Speaker John Boehner, argue that Congress — not the court — should decide as public opinion for same-sex marriage grows. Other conservative groups argue that spousal benefits should be reserved only for couples of the opposite sex.

Part of the urgency for couples to act stems from deadlines established under the U.S. tax code, which gives taxpayers three years to file protective claims for income and estate tax refunds. Same-sex couples or surviving spouses who were legally married before or during 2009 would therefore have until April 15 of this year to submit amended returns claiming overpayments on income for that tax year, said Vickie Henry, a senior staff attorney at Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders.

http://news.msn.com/us/gay-couples-could-see-windfalls-from-court-action
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Zanjan
Zanjan: "It's about buying a new roof for their California home, replacing their 2005 Toyota Camry, and ensuring Meyer doesn't take a financial hit if Raphael dies first."

We all want that.......we don't all get it. Marriage isn't going to give it to us either. I'm married but the government gives us no slack for that - each of us pays taxes separately; we both work and have no dependents. Our paychecks receive the same deductions.

When one of us dies, we leave everything in a will to the other. The government doesn't give us a refund on any of the benefits that were deducted off our paychecks.

Our old age security - we both paid into it separately so we should each get the same maximum amount, yes? Nope. An unmarried person gets $400.....a married couple receives $400, which means each spouse receives $200.

Canada pension plan........workplace pensions? You get what you, as an individual contributed to it, whether married or not. Your spouse dies, that pension money stops. Where are the benefits???



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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: >>>I'm married but the government gives us no slack for that

Yes, they do. You get rights and tax benefits non-married couples do not get.
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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: Pounding on Zanjan's backward, ill-informed babbling like some kind of punching bag just does not seem to get old. I thought it would, but it doesn't! She just keeps coming back for more, no matter what! And it is hard not to keep wailing away.
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Ride_On
Ride_On: Damn canadians dont get tax credit for being married? Or perhaps zanjan is married to someone who "tells" her how they will file their taxes and as a good wife she simply does what she is told.Im not sure but here married people get tax credit you can file married but filing seperately or file a joint return and also here when you are on social security if a spouse dies you continue to recieve a portion of their social security or death benefits as well as your own.Also if married and one person has insurance through an employer they also can pay group rates and have it covering their family and or spouse.There are ways to avoid some of the headaches that surround the death of ones partner financially in some ways but we dont not get the same automatic benefits married couples get no matter how long we are together unlike "domestic" heterosexual partners recieve.In Texas if you simply live with someone as a "married" couple for a certain period of time even though you had no ceremony you are considered common law married..that is if you are heterosexual.And can file for a legal divorce in court if you seperate with that person.So there are marked differences in what "marriage" means to different people.I do understand that to some it is a religious ceremony joining two people in "gods eyes" and by that i mean whatever god or gods you recognize.In todays society however by legal standards not by our own personal meanings it is a legal binding contract between two people.Which financially gives them extra benefits unmarried folks do not get.
And Dave lmaoooooooo
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: I love how Zanjan talks about how she is persecuted against, because of her religion. Right. Our countries are really skewed towards denying the religious right their freedoms.

If nothing else, that doesn't justify persecuting others.
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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: Ride on, I am pleased to have caused you a good chortle!!
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Stassi SUR
Stassi SUR: Topic is A Preacher and Gay-Rights....

Not Marital Status and Tax Breaks.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Martial status's, and the tax breaks that come with them, are about gay rights.

Person1 "Why do gay couples want the same marriage as straights"
Person2 "For the same tax breaks"

See how that worked? Totally relevant.
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Stassi SUR
Stassi SUR: So, what happened to the Preacher side of the argument?
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Um. erm. um.

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Ride_On
Ride_On: Lmao possibly he needs to watch the vid ..otherwise he wouldnt be talking about the preacher side on this particular occasion ..that or he didnt watch the vid til the end If so hes making a very poor attempt at being the douche he is
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Ride_On
Ride_On: Oh wait its a she lol oppps
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Lipton: "You get rights and tax benefits non-married couples do not get."

Oh yeah? Please specify exactly what those are. Having been married most of my life, having professional accountants do my taxes, I've never seen them from the civil government. Is it the right to have sex?? Wow, as if that ever stopped civilians before!

Besides, I wonder what kind of relationship one has if a few bucks makes all the difference in the world. As an elderly friend once said of the government "I just realized my husband is worth more to me dead than alive".

Ride On: " here married people get tax credit "

Where do you live? Texas? Seriously, I'll check that out......are you a dependent?

In Canada, any person can claim anyone as their dependent, provided they're living in the same dwelling and the other has no income.

If, where you live, your pensions and social security continue to pay out after your death, than you have it better than any place on the planet and have no place to complain. These are not life insurance policies as you describe.

In Canada, any one can take out an insurance policy on anyone; they can also insure any thing they want. Making a claim is another matter.

One cant divorce a common law partner because they were never married - there is no marriage certificate to submit to the judge. Both marrieds and un-marrieds file for a legal financial settlement, which involves the splitting up of their assets and properties. How they divy it out has nothing to do with the government. The people decide if and how they will continue to financially support their estranged former partner.

Divorcing marrieds must pay more money to get a Matrimonial Order which permits the divorced persons to continue sharing pension/insurance payouts, and to provide continued financial supports.

















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Ride_On
Ride_On: Before you speak directly about a subject in another country you might wanna do a bit of research i dont address matters which i have no idea about in your country possibly you should try the same when speaking about other areas of the world.And hell no im not a dependent have not been one since i was a child and claimed on my parents taxes..lol
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Ride_On
Ride_On: Also we do not pay state income tax here we pay federal which is country wide .Although some states do have state income tax we do not in texas.So the joint filing and tax breaks are a federal thing not state.People also recieve credit on taxes for children or dependents.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: RideON: " Before you speak directly about a subject in another country you might wanna do a bit of research"

That's why I asked you where you lived, informing you I *would* do the research. I see you didn't directly answer the question........now you've implied you live in Texas. I only spoke of Canada.

In Canada, we pay both federal and provincial taxes, plus sales tax, plus property tax, plus our local Municipal taxes. This is throughout the whole country of Canada, with the only variance being in the percentage of sales taxes in each province.. There's not much left over after paying health insurance. Yet somehow, we still manage to save a bit in the bank for a rainy day.

I was married for 30 years. After my spouse passed away, I was single for 7 years. When I became my new husband's fiance (he'd been single for 16 years), his son, who's a teacher in charge of the robotics program in a technical college, asked his dad why he wanted to get married again. DUH.

I'll never know how he responded but had his son asked me, I'd have been rolling on the floor, laughing too hard to answer. Some things, you just have to let others figure out on their own.
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Stassi SUR
Stassi SUR: Ride_On, All you do is attack people you disagree with, with personal insults.

I say, Suck it

btw, you are no match to Zanjan's ***intellect*** and I don't even agree with her views 100 percent.
Seriously.

So, are we still talking about the Federal Income tax filing in Canada and the US? as well as filing the state income tax (if applicable)?

Filing single? filing as head of household? or filing jointly (married) with dependents?

And while you're at it, any gains or losses during the tax period?any lottery winnings? gambling gains? any other source/s of income such as spousal support? child support? paid volunteer work? any gains from the sale of a home, any 401k early withdrawal penalty? don't forget to itemize deductions such as mortgate interests, medical expenses, moving expenses, student loan interest. Any college tuition credits ?

Don't forget to declare that $1 million dollars you donated to charity and the church tithings.

Filing long form (with itemized deductions) or short form?

Oh, I just remember----the topic is A PREACHER and Gay-Rights not the IRS, H & R BLOCK and the W-2 Form .

Oooopsy! Your bad!









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Suprmanrocks
Suprmanrocks: Yo peoples. Is everyone here gay or r some supporters?
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