Spot the difference between the Christian social conservatives and the Islamic fundamentalists. Sarcastic Dots: Oh my, this is amazing. Can you guess which is which? Richard Mourdock or Abu Hamza? http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/10/richard_mourdock_rape_scandal_spot_the_difference_between_the_christian.html  DawnGurl: You act surprised; have you not spotted the American Taliban foisting its nonsense in our own backyard for years and years?  OCD_OCD: I don't necessarily agree with any regiligious fundamentalists, but there is still no excuse to annhilate anyone over it. Do not mistake that one has sufferance over another.  Norma955: OCD_OCD: I don't necessarily agree with any regiligious fundamentalists, but there is still no excuse to annhilate anyone over it. Do not mistake that one has sufferance over another. Reply: Where exactly is that being done (annihilateing anyone over it)? Did you copy the wrong link? I could summarize it for you if you want. It’s quite forward, unless you read tooo into it. Norma955: You need to elaborate more or that. This article does not defend any fundamentalist or radicals. It just shows you the similarities between both Christian and Muslim radicals/fundamentalist. Unless you're willfully blind or biased towards that. In every age it has been the tyrant, the oppressor and the exploiter who has wrapped himself in the cloak of patriotism, or religion, or both to deceive and overawe the People. A fundamentalist is someone who wants to substitute what he believes for what you believe. And someone who thinks he knows the will of God better than anyone else. I rest my case. Kudos  davidk14: Norma, The difference between what you call radical fundamentalist Christians and Muslims is this... The radical fundamentalists Muslims are murdering Jews and non-Muslims whenever and where ever they can. Really! I'm not making this up. It is in their charters, in video's, in print and oral recordings. Just recently in Egypt, a Muslim cleric said and I quote, "Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri has urged Egyptians to restart their revolution to press for Islamic law and called on Muslims to kidnap Westerners, the SITE Intelligence Group said Friday. Criticizing the new Egyptian government -- led by a president drawn from the Muslim Brotherhood -- as corrupt, he said a battle is being waged in Egypt between a secular minority and Muslims seeking implementation of Shariah law. The Egyptian doctor, the former deputy to slain Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden, said these Egyptians want to see their government liberated from US influence, and Palestinian victory over Israel, SITE reported. _____________________ There are clerics even more left than the Brotherhood. THESE are the radical fundamentalist Islamist's that you defend? These are the people you are comparing to Christians? Pleez. .  lavendar_star: I find a similarity between the fundamentalism of some conservative Christians and some conservative Muslims- 1, Pro death penalty, claim to have moral superiority over others, intolerance to different religions and Atheists, dislike and some times hatred towards liberals, want to or are limiting women's rights and other misogynistic/medieval attitudes towards women,and a negative attitude towards homosexuality. The dislike of the other and wild conspiracy claims about the other; some conservative Muslims about Christians (westerners) and some Christians about Muslims (arabs/middle east). I have seen at least two American conservatives tell a American liberal he and other liberals/atheists Americans should leave America (there's me thinking America was the land of the free and individualism) and have very ignorant attitude towards Muslims and foreigners. wtf. I sure in Saudi Arabia; liberals and/or atheists are told the same thing by their conservative Muslims counterparts and sometimes have ignorant attitude towards foreigners and Christians. So as I have mentioned on here before there is a shared ideology between Conservative Christians and Muslims conservatives (even though they may not see it) but a clear difference with Christians (if you discount the bombing of abortion clinic back in the 90s, far right or the drone strikes done by the US government) Christians haven't yet on the same level as fundamentalism Muslims in the violent sense unless you count the stand your ground law to a certain degree!!! but there is definitely a common ground even though they may not see it themselves rather as opposing groups. BTW the radical Islamic clerics are on the right of the political spectrum not the left lol. (Edited by lavendar_star) Nymphetamine Ene: i am christian, and if you ask me who i would support christians or muslims i would say muslims... all things we hear about muslims and islamic laws, it is same in christian world, just no one talks about it.wonder why... Norma955: OCD_OCD: I really have no reason to defend radical islamists, do I? Reply: Do you have a reason to defend radical christians? davidk14: Norma, The difference between what you call radical fundamentalist Christians and Muslims is this... The radical fundamentalists Muslims are murdering Jews and non-Muslims whenever and where ever they can. Really! I'm not making this up. It is in their charters, in video's, in print and oral recordings. Just recently in Egypt, a Muslim cleric said and I quote, "Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri has urged Egyptians to restart their revolution to press for Islamic law and called on Muslims to kidnap Westerners, the SITE Intelligence Group said Friday. Criticizing the new Egyptian government -- led by a president drawn from the Muslim Brotherhood -- as corrupt, he said a battle is being waged in Egypt between a secular minority and Muslims seeking implementation of Shariah law. The Egyptian doctor, the former deputy to slain Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden, said these Egyptians want to see their government liberated from US influence, and Palestinian victory over Israel, SITE reported. _____________________ There are clerics even more left than the Brotherhood. THESE are the radical fundamentalist Islamist's that you defend? These are the people you are comparing to Christians? Pleez. Reply: David you are absolutely revolting. Where have I defended any radical fundamentalist islamists? "You need to elaborate more or that. This article does not defend any fundamentalist or radicals. It just shows you the similarities between both Christian and Muslim radicals/fundamentalist. Unless you're willfully blind or biased towards that. In every age it has been the tyrant, the oppressor and the exploiter who has wrapped himself in the cloak of patriotism, or religion, or both to deceive and overawe the People. A fundamentalist is someone who wants to substitute what he believes for what you believe. And someone who thinks he knows the will of God better than anyone else"??? lol So for the love of God enlighten me. Or is your hate sooo evident that you just have to make up stuff like that. And Yes these are the people I am comparing to RADICAL FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIANS! not Christians. SO watch out with your wording. They both hold similar grounds as Lavendar just mentioned. And Second of all I dont trust where you get your information from, so it would help if you pasted your sources. I wil never defend Christian radical fundamentalist, or Muslim radical fundamentalist . Whether you like it or admit it or not there are some chilling parallels between Christian and Islamic fundamentalists. Both divide the world between believers and unbelievers, and by deciding for themselves who is saved and who is damned, they think that they can play God with our lives. Both have also declared war on the secular culture of liberal democracy, the most peaceful and prosperous means of social organization ever devised by humankind. They both reject the separation of church and state and would set up governments based on their own views of divine laws. Of greatest concern, however, is the fundamentalist view of the violent end of the world. A common scenario is a great war in the Middle East in which the armies of God destroy the armies of Satan. Radical Muslims of course identify Israel and the US as the forces of evil, but Christian fundamentalists see Islam as the ultimate enemy. The horrifying implication is that the Jews, Muslims, and Christians of the Middle East will be the primary victims of this holocaust. ^ And this is all political more than anything. Some conservative Christians make yet another division: an ethnic one that declares that one culture is superior to all others. Michael Hill, founder of the League of the South, proposes that an independent neo-Confederacy of fifteen states would have the duty to protect the values of Anglo-Celtic culture from black Americans, who are "a compliant and deadly underclass." A key word for the League is “hierarchy,” the God-given right for superiors ( “white males”) to rule over inferiors. Christian nationalist George Grant, who believes in the death penalty for gays and lesbians, has joined Wilson and Wilkins at earlier Moscow conferences. Grant and Wilkins are promoting a novel entitled Heiland, whose hero leads a violent overthrow of a "godless" federal government. Heiland has been compared to the Turner Diaries, which inspired the bombing of the Oklahoma Federal Building. The author of the book, Frank Sanders, is a charter member of the League of the South. Has it rang a bell yet? Another parallel between Christian and Islamic fundamentalism is a desire to make religious laws the laws of the land. In his regular column in Wilson’s Credenda Agenda (vol. 3: nos. 9, 11), Greg Dickison, member of Wilson’s Christ Church and a Moscow public defender, states that "if we could have it our way,” then there would be capital punishment for “kidnapping, sorcery, bestiality, adultery, homosexuality, and cursing one's parents.” Dickison also quotes biblical passages (without qualification) that support slavery as "ordained and regulated by God," death for apostasy (Deut. 13.6-9), and cutting off a woman’s hand for touching a strange man's genitals (Deut. 25.11,12). If you don’t see the disturbing parallels than you are willfully blind. I could give you hints “Radical.. Fundamentalist”.Today's fundamentalism is also a cover for political motifs. We should not overlook the political motifs we encounter in forms of religious fanaticism. I'm opposed to fundamentalism in any form. Now about you, I doubt. davidk14: . Norma, Name one...JUST ONE.... radical extremest Christian group that has strapped bombs onto their children and sent them onto buses and into restaurants screaming "God is great!" and blowing themselves up along with dozens of innocent men, women and children. Name one group in the last year, 10 years? 50 years? You can't. And you know why? Because only radical Islamist's have been doing this. Some of these "radical extremists" are now in control of the largest Muslim populated country on earth....Egypt with 80 million. The President of Egypt is a high ranking member of the Muslim Brotherhood. You really need to get out more and read about what is going on in the world. Oh, and you know who murdered our Ambassador and three other Americans in Libya on 091112? Radical,,, extremest.... Islamist's. Putting the blame on Christians and Jews is cowardly. . lavendar_star: What I find disturbing is that david didn't even condemn the extreme Christian groups that Norma mentioned in her post possibly because he shares or supports their ideology but then mention that there isnt much violence in compared to fundamental Islamic groups for now anyway. I guess its difficult for one to associate themselves to another they believe are different to them based on religious conviction. As I have mentioned there is a shared ideology between fundamental Christians and fundamental Muslims and their rhetoric of hate towards anyone who is different to them and desire of a world where there group and ideology is dominant. davidk14: . Did you even read that wiki article... "In 2010, after an FBI agent infiltrated the group, nine of its members were indicted by a federal grand jury in Detroit on charges of seditious conspiracy to use of improvised explosive devices, teaching the use of explosive materials, and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence.[76] On March 28, 2012, the conspiracy charges were dismissed.[77] The other so called terrorist associated with Christian ethics was bombing of abortion clinics...you know, those murder mills. You know, trying to protect life of the unborn child and not destroying it? Big frickin difference compared to Islamist's radicalization to MURDER those that do not believe in their religion. . Whimsical Fairy: Radical Christians do just as much harm as radical Muslims. Perhaps in different ways...but just as damaging. lavendar_star: You obviously may share the fundamental ideology of the fundamental Christian conservatives so you can not see the common ground in ideology both politically and culturally, I clearly stated that they are no where near as violent but when it comes to everything else they are no different to their Islamic fundamentalism counterparts which david you are being clearly ignorant of. Furthermore, to justify the terrorism of Christians who bomb abortion clinics and killing of doctors, wow the same rationalisation is probably used by any means necessary kill to protect the innocent by other terrorists. btw you still didn't condemn their hateful ideology of those Christian groups that Norma mentioned.!!!!!! Norma955: David you really have problems. My comment showed you the similarity between both religious extremists and that is ur reply? Are you that blinded by hate. It's quite disturbing. I have not put the blame on any Jews or Christians, where have you got that from? Lol I have yet to put blame on anyone. If you can't see the resemblance than you really need to clear your mind away from your preconceived stance on ignorance. You only see what you want to see. I find it astounding that you are defending Christian fundamentalists. You need to get out of your paranoid world, ASAP. Also I'm pretty search you can do your own research, biased one that is. But I could provide you with some. Does Eric Robert Rudolph ring a bell? Anders breivek? Wade Micheal Page? Baruch Goldstein? James Kopp? Micheal bray?. But oh yeah they aren't terrorists or extremists because they are not Muslims. I'm pretty sure everyone sees your double standards. (Edited by Norma955) davidk14: Well...show me one time in the last 50 years....where a Christian has strapped on a suicide vest and gone onto a bus or into a crowed restaurant or mall and yelled "God is great" and detonated. Just once please. I can post DOZENS AND DOZENS of times Muslims have done this to murder innocent men, women and children. Norma, do you want me to post the evidence or do you believe me on this point? Talk is cheap. Ultra right and ultra left of any religion, of any political affiliation can say the most horrible things. Horrible. It's totally different when murdering dozens and hundreds and thousands because the extremist and radical religious or political strategy is to create fear. To equate the radical, extremest Islamist to Christians is ludicrousness. . Whimsical Fairy: So I take it David took the test (from the link Dots provides) and got 100 %. Did you take the test David? Did you get them all right...or just maybe...just maybe, you don't know what every "radical" believes in this world. Radical is Radical and I really don't care what denomination we are talking about. davidk14: . Norma, Name calling is becoming very natural to you now. Who would have thought. Hum. The only similarities you want to post is words. Go for it. It's called freedom of speech. Its when your fellow Muslims that strap on bombs that creates the bloodshed of innocent people, that is what I'm talking about. It's when your fellow Muslims murder a US Ambassador and three other Americans especially on the anniversary of 911 (and don't you dare say it was from a video on the internet posted over 6 months ago...don't you even dare use that as an excuse). You can banter all you want, you can call me names, go for it. The Western world and non-Muslim world needs to defend ourselves because of what? It's you and those 100's of millions.....no....the 10's of 100's of millions of peace loving Muslims like you that I hold personally responsible and accountable for not bringing the 1/10th of 1% of your religion, the radical murderous extremists of your religion under control. And I'm nuts? . . Norma955: Yes you are, David. Very so. You are a …, and that is from past experience with you. Oh remember the Muslims I know? my fellow Muslims? Your people?. You just can't tell the difference can you, because you repeatedly classify me and other Muslims in the same group as those radicals. Radical extremists do not represent me, and they are not my fellow anything. And you just don’t get it, people like you attack u all, even when you pretend not to. My community has condemned such extreme actions; you just don’t hear it because you're not looking for it. You don’t like the fact we condemn such actions, you want us to condemn our religion and hate all Muslims, not point out that not all are like that. Libyan Muslims condemned the attack of the embassy and even protested against it, and imams raised a voice against violence. That is who I stand with, but you clearly don’t know they exist, or choose to ignore them. I condemn violence loud and clear, regardless of the group. But oh yeah David, THE MUSLIMS ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD :O OMG. Lets run to Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, Frank Gaffney, and Steven Emerson to comfort us I’m sure you agree with what they say. Lets not forget Pippi Longstocking . So David, President Barack Obama is still supposedly ur first “Mooslim-in-Chief” according to AtlasShrugs’ Pamela Geller, JihadWatch’s Robert Spencer and a “healthy chunk” of Americans, excited to get rid of him? Almost anytime a Muslim is elected to congress, appointed as a judge, a city councillor and/or an advisor in America expect immediate Islamophobic backlash. ZOMG Muslims are participating in American life!!!! what a dastardly way to take over/sarcasm They complain when they don’t participate, and they complain when they do, they can’t win Hence David correct me if I’m wrong The logic of anti-Semitism and Islamophobia is the same: hating a particular religion and the people that belong to it on the basis of their essential identity? Right, wrong, biased? Ah shucks obviously you don’t agree.  bright_light101: Norma, you hit this point spot on when you say " you just don't hear it because you're not looking for it" This is a phenomena in psychology called confirmation bias. You only take in information that further validifies your blatant prejudice. Without these simple heuristics, you're world would be a complicated place david. If you couldnt rely on stereotypes, oh goodness, then that would mean *gulps* you'd actually need to take the time to get to know a muslim. No no, this cant be good. You need to simplify the world by painting a group a certain shade of gray and assume they're all the same...that way , you could assume things about them without putting in an effort. What a simple world you live in. This is no different from the racism that existed in the US in the 50s. Norma makes her point clear, over and over, but you seem to dismiss it. We as muslims don't condone terrorist actions. It's disgusting to see you use this as justification to hate on a religion. There are terrorists from every sect or religion who misinterpret verses and use it to validate and justify terror. How dare you be so blind, and ignorant? You like to label one group (the christians and jews) as peace loving, and contrast it to another group in order to support you're incredibly weak arguements. Overtime, i've concluded you have personal issues with muslims, and you're deeply prejudice. Do yourself a favor: Google your nearest psychiatric clenic. Done? Okay...now pick up a phone and call that number. Great, now after you've set up an appointment, go there and tell them your personal hate for muslims. Sadly, this is the only way you can resolve this... peace dogeeda: christian fundamentalists suck. muslim fundamentalist suck a little more cause of the suicide bombing nonsense. neither is worth a damn. | Politics Chat Room 37 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
