Spot the difference between the Christian social conservatives and the Islamic fundamentalists. (Page 3) davidk14: . Jack, Is English your second or third language or do you have A.D.D? Once again  If there are 1 billion Muslims on the planet, and if 99% are peace loving Muslims, the 1% of Muslims are radical, extremest, fundamental Islamist terrorists. I support the 99%. Now go re-read my post above, slowly if necessary, and then come back with a reasonable statement. Geez... . (Edited by davidk14)  Comrade_: Davidk,you make it harder and harder to take you seriously as a guy. "2012 is 2013.62 Million. = 2.1 Billion" Source: http://www.muslimpopulation.com/World/ I guess that you can provide your sources for: Number of "peace loving muslim" ..or will it be as 'accurate' your previous number? If you're claiming that your 1% and 99% nonsense isn't based on imagined/ symbolic figures but accurate real ones. And feel free to tell me what the "99%" is doing in which you support them in their action. English is my language but are you part of the 14% Americans who can't read? ...and look at that, it's not even a symbolic percentage. dogeeda: i don't support christians, muslims, jews, budists or any of them. i think belief in an afterlife and a god of any kind is ridiclous. but i do know that right now you are more likely to die from an attack by a muslim terrorist than any other faith based terrorist. that makes them especially nasty folks. so yes at this moment in history muslim fundamentalists are the worst but it hasn't always been that way. so what's the big debate here? are we trying to equate other religious terrorists to muslim terrorists. well we can do that case for case. problem is once you run outa cases for other religions you still have many cases involving muslim terrorists with none to match with. it is a simple case of numbers. there are more acts of muslim terrorism so they are the worst. kinda like who is worst charles manson or jeffrey dahmer. think dahmer killed a lot more so he is worse. but that doesn't make manson good. just not as bad. Comrade_: I wasn't seeing it as comparing case by case but by drawing the similarities. The conclusion is a man would do what is in his heart to do regardless of what is taught in his religion.  OCD_OCD: I don't believe in any religion or atheism. Let people believe or not believe as they wish. It matters naught to me. However, when any group decides that people need to be killed for what they believe or don't believe, I think that is wrong. OCD_OCD: Atheists have some bad apples, too. LOL http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/ OCD_OCD: While I was doing some research on this subject, I found this video. Very interesting since it does not seem to be either for or against either religion or atheism, but merely speaks to the differences. OCD_OCD: Sorry, I was watching and forgot to put up the link. Caution, there are some really rough photos of mass murders and executions.  dogeeda: i hope you didn't think i was trying to say something comparing religious violence to atheist violence. i have no doubt there are just as many sick twisted atheists as in any other group. OCD_OCD: No, not at all, Dog. I think my viewpoint is that violence is violence, whether perpetrated under the name of religion or atheism. There are enough dead bodies belonging to all and to attempt to bash any one particular religion or non-religion over mass murder is pointless, since they are all guilty of heinous, inhuman acts toward others.  lavendar_star: The original article by the OP of this thread was about the shared fundamental conservative ideology by both some Christians and Muslims, not actual violence, which is becoming or is dominating some societies putting personal freedoms and democracy (if that exist) at risk.  @Norma : (Edited by lavendar_star) dogeeda: guess i don't care much about their ideologies as long as they are not interfering with my life. as far as i can tell fundamentalists are not bugging me or my rights so i don't really care. think it's a good idea to keep an eye on them and allocate resources to do so based on the threat level each of them represent. lavendar_star: Well good for you, i come from a place where I give a damn about my fellow citizens, so if gay people are unable to marry or women are at risks of their rights being taken away from them. It may not affect me directly but I still care and am interested in. (Edited by lavendar_star) dogeeda: re phrase i guess i don't care much about their philosophies because i don't see them as a threat to anyone's rights (in the U.S.) so i really don't care. think it's a good idea to keep an eye on them and allocate resources to do so based on the threat level each of them represent OCD_OCD: The point I was trying to make is that fundamentalist ideologies of religion are no different than fundamentalist ideologies of the non-religious. While there are different religions to compare to each other, there is only one idealism that is the absence of religion and extremism by any religious or non-religious group is equally offensive. dogeeda: extemism may be equally offensive in a qualitative way but not necessarily in a quantitative way. for example extremist views of religion A with only 1 member can be equally offensive to the extremist views of 100 members of religion B in the quality of the views. but quantitatively religion b's extremism is worse because there are 100 times more of them davidk14: . Hey Jack, As of 2009, over 1.6 billion or about 23% of the world population are Muslims.[1] Of these, around 62% live in Asia-Pacific,[2] 20% in the Middle East-North Africa,[3] 15% in Sub-Saharan Africa,[4]around 3% in Europe[5] and 0.3% in the Americas.[6][7][8][9] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world A report by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life titled “The Future of the Global Muslim Population” projects that the number of Muslims in the world is set to double from 1.1billion in 1990 to 2.2 billion in 2030. Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/01/27/2-2-billion-worlds-muslim-population-doubles/#ixzz2AjD6wS7E Muslim population in 2012 is 2.2 billion. (Math does not work) http://www.muslimpopulation.com/World/ So you can see that at best, the world’s population is around 1.8 billion Muslims. So for our new friends visiting this forum… I have always supported the peace loving followers of Islam and if 99.9% of the 1.8 billion Muslims on this planet are peace loving, we have 1,798,200,000 peace loving Muslims and I support them 100.0%. If the 99.9% of the 1.8 billion peace loving Muslims, then there are .1% that are radical, extremist, fundamentalist Islamist and that equals 1,800,000 terrorists. Now… There are 80 million Egyptians and they just voted in to the Presidency, and ultra liberal Muslim Brotherhood member. So, if you are going to try and say that the .1% is too high, you...are high. This President, Morsi, was voted into power by the majority of Egyptians, 51.7% of the voters. That’s well over 30 million who voted for what founder of the Muslim Brotherhood stated as the goal, al-Banna stated, “It is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet.” So the number I use of .1% is understated. But, I support all those peace loving Muslims who are not trying to impose Islamic law on all nations and to extend Islamic power to the entire planet. . .  Norma955: David you can keep on babbling. You state one thin but support another thing. You speak of the 99% of the Muslims whom you soo called support yet hold Bridget Gabriel in high honours and support her radical anti Islam campaign in the US. A women who calls for the deportation of one of the least violent religious groups in the US. Muslims. And a women who calls Muslims and Arabs people with no souls and the good one is a nonexistent one. You can't support such a thing than claim you so called support the 99% of peace loving Muslims. It doesn't work that way. It's like supporting hitlers ideologies than claiming you support Jews. Stop contradicting yourself and get off your high horse. (Edited by Norma955) davidk14: . Bingo! There you go again. I did not say I held her in high regards and she does not say that ALL MUSLIMS are terrorists. What she says is what I call "the .1%" use ISLAM to create that world you and I hate. Right? Of course I am. If it were not true, she would not have become such a zealot against those that rape, murder and pillage, trying to take over the world. Of course she does not hate ANY PEACE loving people, no matter what their religion is. Don't be such an idiot. You continue to try and throw me under the bus for supporting the 99.9% and hating the .1%. Now why is that? Perhaps you do support the .1% and just do not have the guts to say so. . . Norma955: Bingoo!!! throwing you under the bus? Very fun since you've already done that to yourself. When you support Bridget Gabriel you support NO Muslim, just the anti-Muslim movement. At least know the facts old man. Gabriel's peace loving Muslims are non exist ones, more like atheist. That is whom you support. Either get your fact straight, or just don't say anything. lavendar_star: lol The Muslim brotherhood and their members are not ultra liberal they support conservative values i.e. a traditional and very conservative version of Islam, I know you hate liberal and progressive values but to associate them with the Muslim brotherhood is a low move and only the uneducated would fall for that. You also have a cheek to tell Norma that she supports terrorists when you previously have just justified the terrorism by people against abortion clinics on this thread. To make someone who no relationship with someone other then a share religion responsible for their actions is ignorant at the best. What i find ironic is someone quoted from a person who had horrible things to say about Jews you would be screaming blue murder but obviously you apply a different set of principles to yourself but that is typical of some conservatives.  davidk14: Bingo! Is that the best you can do? You have nothing to support your opinion so you attack my support for the 99%. Nice. And I didn't see you denounce the 1% now did we. Figures. And you star..what..the Brotherhood is conservative???  You got to be kidding...but then...you are not. You want people to believe your trash too? Here are a few facts on the Brotherhood folks... According to founder al-Banna, “It is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet.” Therefore, the Muslim Brotherhood opposes secular tendencies of Islamic nations and wants a return to the precepts of the Qur'an. The Brotherhood firmly rejects all notions of Western influences in addition to rejecting extreme Sufism as well. Brotherhood members organize events from prayer meetings to sport clubs for socializing. The organization's motto: “Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.” An important aspect of the Muslim Brotherhood ideology is the sanctioning of jihad such as the 2004 fatwa issued by Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi making it a religious obligation of Muslims to abduct and kill U.S. citizens. The Brotherhood claims to have taken part in most pro-Islamic conflicts, from the Arab-Israeli wars and the Algerian War of Independence to recent conflicts in Afghanistan and Kashmir as well as the Arab Spring Revolutions that swept across North Africa. Conservative? You have no idea about these terrorists just like Norma has no idea what she babbles about. . Norma955: David, my god. You keep getting more idiotic if that's possible. Haloooo I am just stating facts about the same women you support it's either you know nothing of her or your in denial. And thank you Lavendar, it's clear David hold double standards and isn't able to comprehend pure facts. | Politics Chat Room 98 People Chatting Similar Conversations |