Spot the difference between the Christian social conservatives and the Islamic fundamentalists. (Page 4) lavendar_star: "Therefore, the Muslim Brotherhood opposes secular tendencies of Islamic nations and wants a return to the precepts of the Qur'an. " Yes just like some conservative Christians in America who oppose secularism and what their country to be governed by the Bible and for America to dominate the planet and reject all notions of foreign influence or religions just a Anglo American one in their country.. Heard of neo imperialism!!!! As I put before you are willfully ignorant of the common ideology between some conservative Christians and Muslims. "TLC’s All-American Muslim is a reality show about a regular American family that happens to practice Islam. The idea, of course, is to show the kind of discrimination American Muslims often face and that they are just like everyone else. So it’s ironic that Lowe’s Home Improvement has pulled its advertising from the show after pressure from the conservative Christian group the Florida Family Association. That group, whose mission is to “defend, protect and promote traditional, biblical values,” called the show ”propaganda that riskily hides the Islamic agenda’s clear and present danger to American liberties and traditional values.” In other words, although the show depicts the Amen family doing regular everyday family stuff, Muslims are in fact not like everyone else"""http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2011/12/lowes-pulls-ads-from-all-american-muslim-after-pressure-from-conservative-christian-group/ "Christian group has posted an article on its website by the group's Director of Issues Analysis, Bryan Fischer, who argues that the tragedy at Ft. Hood is the sign to start the ban. "This is not Islamophobia, it is Islamo-realism,"http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/conservative-christian-group-calls-for-ban-on-muslims-in-military.php So it seems in a country where religious freedom is right of all Americans some conservative Christian Americans are trying to deny that right to Muslims including having their own place of worship, like my American friend on wire informed me about the protest against a mosque being built in his home town. lavendar_star: The English Oxford dictionary meaning of::::::::: liberal n adjective 1 respectful and accepting of behaviour or opinions different from one's own. Ø(of a society, law, etc.) favourable to individual rights and freedoms. ØTheology regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change. So as much you try and put your two imaginary enemies in the same box the Muslim brotherhood are a Conservative organisation not a liberal one. Furthermore, as you put before just like the Christian hate groups in your country they say horrible things about people and have hateful ideology but they are not killing anyone. In the UK we have Muslims characters in our soaps and some reality shows and we dont have intolerant Christian groups forcing it off the air due to their own prejudices and fear. But I guess we live in a more secular, liberal and tolerant country in the UK not that we are perfect. But that's a shame I would watched it myself if it was shown in this country, its disgusting because basically those groups are saying that they want Muslims on TV, just like back in the days when these same type of groups didnt want people of certain races on TV!!!!  davidk14: . As I posted before which you conveniently refuse to accept…. The book written by Bridgett Gabriel made The New York Times hardcover best seller list.[31] The introduction of the 2008 edition of Because They Hate claimed that the book was put on the reading list at the FBI Academy and that it was assigned as mandatory reading for Navy SEALs heading to the Middle East.[32] I posted this before and I stand by it. The FBI use her and her book and I stand by the FBI and the US Navy SEALS as they protect me from the 1%. I definitely trust them a whole lot more than you. Actually, I do not trust you, especially since you have not denounced the 1% of Muslims who want to kill me. And ladies, I do not watch TV. But, the Christians being abused and their relatives beaten and slaughtered in Egypt might have a few choice words for you 1% lovers. . lavendar_star: I am just going to watch a show on the telly now about gay conversion where oh yeah in America offered by who oh yeah conservative Christian sadly this has spread to the UK. davidk14: . Liberalism - a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism So with this definition from the above site, religion as the instrument of the government for amelioration of social inequities of…let’s say Egypt for example where Christians have been beaten, tortured and executed. And that’s not to mention the hate of the Brotherhood for the Jews. Any you should really stop watching the tele....it's rotting your brain...or what's left of it....(get it...left of it....  . lavendar_star: Your sick and hateful individual david truly, nobody supports or lovers terrorist or any race or religion unlike yourself who supported terrorism committed against abortion clinics and the killing of doctors. So Muslims in America should have to be responsible for the actions of strangers in other countries, this this apply to race as well as religion. You are supporter of the right or far conservatives and share their hateful ideology which is why you refuse to see the similarity between conservative Islam and Christianity. But I'm not surprised considering you supported the racism of the Israeli government against Africans but scream blue murder if it against Jews. Take a leaf out of a fellow American book who happened to be Muslim who firstly hated people of certain race blame all members of that race for the actions of some and only cared about the racism against his own race but after a trip to Mecca and seeing people of all races coming together to worship God. This man changed his way of thinking and stopped his racism and fought against any racism, prejudices or hatred against anyone. His name was Malcolm X/ How the hell does one rid of social inequalities thru discrimination and murder maybe in your sick mind, the Muslim brotherhood are conservative or fascists just like Hitler was just like the KKK are and just like some of the conservative wack jobs you listen to. Norma and I have far greater intelligence then yourself despite me being half your age and her 1/3 your age. You cant apply a political views to a group for your own argument, crazy.  Comrade_: Davidk did you watch the year of your wiki link? I already told you the current figure, please I know you're slow but I'm not in the mood to repeat myself. You can't honestly say that your "1%" and "99%" figures are accurate? They're not and we call them imaginary figures or bullshittery. davidk14: Jack, So...you believe that 99% of all Muslims are not peace loving individuals? Really? Also, I know the date of the wiki link...did you see the date of the following link genius? Both links are to show the population of Muslims in 2009 and 2012. Come on son...try and keep up will yah? davidk14: . Star said: …unlike yourself who supported terrorism committed against abortion clinics and the killing of doctors. David responds: I never said I approved of any murder or breaking of law. Never. Star said: … You are supporter of the right or far conservatives and share their hateful ideology David responds: Once again, you and yours try to use smoke and mirrors to disguise the truth and call people hateful. I support the 99% and denounce the 1%. If anything, you and Norma should say, “…David, why thank you for supporting the 99% and denouncing the 1% Star said: … you supported the racism of the Israeli government against Africans David responds: You’re nuts. And about Malcolm X….. …Malcolm X - Malcolm X ( /ˈmælkəm ˈɛks/; May 19, 1925 – February 21, 1965), known as El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz[1] (Arabic:الحاجّ مالك الشباز), was an African-American Muslim minister known for his preaching of racism, black supremacy, and violence. As a spokesman for the Nation of Islam he taught black supremacy and advocatedseparation of black and white Americans—in contrast to the civil rights movement's emphasis on integration. Great example you used. Fail. Try again. . Comrade_: I think it's clear what I stated that the figure "99%" is an inaccurate one. Do you know what it means to get a percentage of something Davidk? Precision. I showed you the link that stated it is close to 2b, your wiki link had 1b and your previous statement had 1b. We passed that, and I corrected you on it already...need me to go over it slowly? ok then I will: Davidk: If there are 1 billion Muslims on the planet, and if 99% are peace loving Muslims, the 1% of Muslims are radical, extremest, fundamental Islamist terrorists. Jack: "2012 is 2013.62 Million. = 2.1 Billion" (Source: http://www.muslimpopulation.com/World/) lavendar_star: Your ignorant of Malcolm X changed his stance after leaving the nation of Islam and after his trip to Mecca. You did support the comments by the Israeli government that African immigrants were a cancer on their society. david states "The other so called terrorist associated with Christian ethics was bombing of abortion clinics...you know, those murder mills. You know, trying to protect life of the unborn child and not destroying it? " that sounds like a justification for their terrorist actions to me. You are a support of far right Conservative values and you have demonstrated that time and again on these threads. davidk14: . IF you noticed, I said and have said, numerous times, giving the benifit of doubt... IF there are 1 billion Muslims...... So, you want me to be current and I thank you for updating the number of Muslims on the planet and that's fine. So now it's around 1.8 billion. That means that there are more Muslims that are peace loving but that also means there are more Muslims that are radical, extreme, fundamentalist Islamist's that want to kill all Jews and anyone that is not Muslim. Right. So, the point being, there are millions, perhaps tens of millions or hundreds of millions of radical, extremist, and fundamentalist Islamist's that want to kill Jews and anyone that is not Muslim. Remember 99% of 1.8 billion is a great number of peace loving people and I support them 100.0%. Right. . Comrade_: It is exactly 2.1 billion. Now you are agreeing that you using the figures "99%" and "1%" is inaccurate and will better serve as imagined percentages than factual ones. Goes back to the point. But I guess you got that point already and was trying to save your ass. davidk14: . Jack, Um...put on your reading glasses.... IF there are 1 billion to 2.1 billion Muslims on the planet, and 99% of them are peace loving Muslims, 1% are radical, extremist, fundamentalist Islamist's who's sole purpose is to kill Jews and anyone that does not believe in Islam, Your numbers do not make a difference. the 1% equate to 1,000,000 to 2,100,000 million terrorists which when talking about just Egypt's population of 80 million, makes those numbers way too low anyway. I'm giving 99% of all Muslims, the benefit of doubt. Got it? . davidk14: . Star said: You are a support of far right Conservative values and you have demonstrated that time and again on these threads. David responds: Actually, you are 180 degrees wrong. I am a conservative / center / just right. I believe in a number of social issues but believe differently on the funding of those programs. I am not against abortion when the life of the mother is in jeopardy, or when rape or incest has been determined. I am against abortion as a birth control device especially when paid by government. Far right…. . lavendar_star: "1,000,000 to 2,100,000 million" how the hell do you know there is that much or that little amount of Muslim terrorists around its a made up figure which is what jack is driving at. I personally dislike all terrorists no matter their race or religion  at the benefit of the doubt towards other Muslims that's nice of you. ;eyeroll: I am center and there is no way your the same as me. lol, your share very similar views as people on the far right maybe other then hating Jews maybe that's why your in denial about it. davidk14: . Do some basic research on conservatism. Here is your first link. It is very basic 101 stuff. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States . Comrade_: Can you account for 21,000,000 radical muslims Davidk? Pull them out your ass perhaps. The point is stating 1% and 99% is clearly not precise and made up aka imaginary. You can't account for it. Why are you trying to save your random percentages Davidk, when you know you said it as a rush and not meant to be precise... lavendar_star: I dont need to do research on conservatism I did social science at University and in my country we just dont learn about our own country's politics we are far more enlightened then that and I was born into a very conservative government in the 1980s thank you.  Norma955: Jack as you can see David takes out of his .. A lot. So far he has called us terrorist, and than 1% lovers. Just for pointing out his inaccurate facts, and support of a radical anti Muslim campaign which targets ALL Muslims. But he doesn't mind that, because he agrees with it. davidk14: . Are you saying that 99% of the Muslims on this planet are not peace loving Muslims??? Just say it. And where does the 21 million come from? I never said anything about 21,000,000 anything. davidk14: . Norma has finally gone off the deep end. I have never ever... ever... ever... ever.. said anything about what you said. I have been consistent with supporting the 99% of peace loving Muslims and hating the 1% But you Norma....you will not say that the 1% are the murders and killers of innocent children, slashing their throats in the middle of the night....you won't say a word about that yet you will call me nasty hateful names for supporting the 99% of peace loving Muslims. Shame on you. Your relatives would be disgusted with you for throwing me under the bus for supporting them and the other 99% of peace loving Muslims. Shame! Shameful! . | Politics Chat Room 88 People Chatting Similar Conversations |