Spot the difference between the Christian social conservatives and the Islamic fundamentalists. (Page 9)

davidk14: And this and that.

I can say that the Arabs were allies of the Nazi's and still practice what they learned about exterminating Jews. We are the new generations that have something totally different. We have communication systems that just changed the world and how we see and think. We all know all the bad laundry of the West and the Arabs and the Jews and the Christians and the Hindu's and the Russians and the North Koreans and the Cubans and the Venezuelans and the Colombians and the Mexicans and the Sudanese and the frickin list goes on and on and frickin on.

We have the chance to make a change. We need to take care of our own problems. The US needs to do what it needs to do to clean up it's economic mess. The EU even has more of an issue with 25% unemployment. The Iranians need to back down on the nuclear issues, and the list goes on and on. To point fingers at what your parents did or my parents did in a completely different world will not do anymore.

Right now, radical extremist fundamentalist Muslims are the cancer of this planet. They need to be eliminated and the only people on earth that can do this are the 99% of peace loving Muslims. You have heard this from me before. If the 99% do not, then the west must but we already know how that is working out and it is not working out very well at all. The fighting is like putting jet fuel on a fire. The only way is to cut off the extremists by the 99%.

You want to continue to be defensive and crap like that. Stop it. Grow up. Put on your big girl pants and take some responsibility for changing the 1%. I can't do it. But you can.

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Norma955: davidk14: And this and that.

I can say that the Arabs were allies of the Nazi's and still practice what they learned about exterminating Jews

Reply:
Please enlighten me. Arabs were the allies of the Nazis and still practice what they learned about exterminating jews? your insane but that is very typical of a zionist like you to think that, mostly the second half of that. Ofcourse you would bring in Nazis, Isnt that using the holocaust card that you accused Lavendar of using? tsk tsk tsk

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David says:
We have the chance to make a change. We need to take care of our own problems. The US needs to do what it needs to do to clean up it's economic mess. The EU even has more of an issue with 25% unemployment. The Iranians need to back down on the nuclear issues, and the list goes on and on. To point fingers at what your parents did or my parents did in a completely different world will not do anymore.

Right now, radical extremist fundamentalist Muslims are the cancer of this planet. They need to be eliminated and the only people on earth that can do this are the 99% of peace loving Muslims. You have heard this from me before. If the 99% do not, then the west must but we already know how that is working out and it is not working out very well at all. The fighting is like putting jet fuel on a fire. The only way is to cut off the extremists by the 99%.

You want to continue to be defensive and crap like that. Stop it. Grow up. Put on your big girl pants and take some responsibility for changing the 1%. I can't do it. But you can.


Norma says:
Have you not realised you put everyone in that 1% that doest agree with your political stance. To you it has to do more with politics than religion. You want to eliminate me and bright? we are the cancer of this Earth? since you did declare us part of that 1% for stating your bigotry and refusal to Acknowledge Christian conservative fundamentalist and your stance on violence if it supports u. Acknowledge what is going on in your country man.

Defensive? nah not at all, stating where these muslim extremists came from which you refuse to look at The CIA . If these extremists were on your side you wouldnt mind them killing others. You support the killing of innocent children and families to get to your goal, sounds like the same extremists you speak of. You need a wake up call asap.

Whimsical Fairy: There have always been radical extremist fundamentalist, always. There always will be. Don't you think if the the majority could control the minority...they already would have squashed them?

Bottom line. People can't control what others think and do. People can only control their own behavior and be held accountable for it.

bright_light101: That's what we've been trying to tell the redneck conservative up there, but he doesn't seem to be getting it clear. He thinks us (99%) can magically control the less than 1% who do have extreme views...Maybe, you David should get up and do something yourself instead of sitting in your chair complaining lol

dogeeda: it is no more the responsiblility of peace loving muslims to clean up the muslim extemists than it is the responsibility of any group to clean up their whacked out fringe. we would hope that they would not ignore them and condemn them but responsibility...no. david is right that the only ones with a shot at bringing them under control is the "99%" but it is a long shot and many peace loving muslims may die trying. these folks are crazy but committed. they will fight us as long as they breathe and then martyrdom. kinda hard to get them to stop when they think the ultimate sacrifice leads to the ultimate reward. you'all just keep arguing and calling each other names is ridiculous. extremists behavior is their own responsibility. but trying to compare muslim extremist to christian extremist works right up to the point of violence. then the muslims surpass the christians hands down.

lavendar_star: "but trying to compare Muslim extremist to christian extremist works right up to the point of violence. then the Muslims surpass the Christians hands down." That's what I ^^^^ have mentioned but the thread topic was how there is a common ideology between Muslim extremist and Christian extremist in regards to the conservative political and religious ideology but someone refuses to admit to that. The OP link showed how some conservative Christians and Muslims have similar attitude when it comes to certain key issues. What irks me is that you have some conservatives Christians berate some conservative Islamic countries for their outdated views but endorse them themselves but somehow see it justified and different when it comes from a Western christian perspective.

But I get your point in regards to name calling but in the threads its common for people to do that and one cant help but to respond in kind even if it does low ones self when people just what to hurl insults at you for having a diff opinion.

dogeeda: well i am sure people on all sides berate each other for many different reasons. it's silly to berate christian to muslim or vice versa. as far as i am concerned any unmeasurable comparison is anecdotal at best. whether you measure christian views against christian views, muslim views against muslim views or any mix in between. there are so many nuances to these religions trying to talk about them as believing this or that is very difficult. i think the question of this thread assumes too much on both sides and just sets up a meaningless argument that can not be won. hey that sounds familiar. kinda like the fight that's been going on between these 2 religions forever. i think people should stop bickering about religous views and live their own lives. as for the violence of some extreme muslims, it is best dealt with by our military. think it's too much to ask of any peace loving people to challenge these lunatics. yes it is not winnable but acts of violence require responses. the only way it ends is if they choose to stop. otherwise it's violence back and forth 4 ever.

and yes i WILL berate those who commit acts of violence

lavendar_star: This is a thread we are not changing the world here just discussing the topic that's the whole point of the forum on wire or any other social media. Of course people are living their own lives. But in the real world people's lives are being affected by some people's extreme political and religious beliefs i.e. not allowing gay marriages, making abortion illegal and restricting other rights that people have that Will affect their lives.

Anyone would berate acts of violence that's normal. fighting violence with violence leads to never end circle of violence, its a solution but not the only one and btw for your Americans information you do know that there is other military in Iraq and Afganistan apart from your own, like my country and other Western nations!!!

dogeeda: why the !!! i don't care whose military fights it as long as it gets done. your country can do all the fighting as far as i am concerned. you seem a little hostile towards americans. lighten up.

yea in the real world peoples lives are affected by peoples views but did you ever look at it from someone elses perspective. If someone truly believes in something you don't like you must try to convince them otherwise. Or are conservative views in both religions to be outlawed because of their traditional views? you can't change opinions by posting threads like this that set up confrontation instead of cooperation. how about a thread asking a question like "why don't religious conservatives support gay marriage" (or whatever you wanna discuss). this thread is asking a question that in effect berates conservative views. berating them may feel good but it doesn't sway opinions.

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Norma said:

Please enlighten me. Arabs were the allies of the Nazis and still practice what they learned about exterminating jews? your insane but that is very typical of a zionist like you to think that, mostly the second half of that. Ofcourse you would bring in Nazis, Isnt that using the holocaust card that you accused Lavendar of using? tsk tsk tsk


David responds:

How folks like you want to rewrite history. One of many, many examples......Look up al-Husseini who was a Hitler favorite. History shows that after WW2, Nazi propaganda has and is present in everyday Muslim Brotherhood publication. And who is the President of the largest Muslim country in the world, Egypt? A Muslim Brotherhood politician. Think I’m nuts??? Prove me wrong….I dare you.

Norma said:

Have you not realised you put everyone in that 1% that doest agree with your political stance. To you it has to do more with politics than religion. You want to eliminate me and bright? we are the cancer of this Earth? since you did declare us part of that 1% for stating your bigotry

David responds:

99% are peace loving Muslims

1% represent the radical fundamentalist extremist Islamist.

Now, if you think you are part of this 1%, then yes, you also are a radical, fundamentalist, extremist Islamist murderer. And anyone that considers themselves part of this 1%, yes they too are murderers. Simple. If that is bigotry, so you say, I call it the truth.


Tink said:

Bottom line. People can't control what others think and do. People can only control their own behavior and be held accountable for it.

David responds:

So, let the extremist, radical, fundamentalist Islamist murder continue to murder because, “…people can't control what others think and do.”

Well, Imams control what people think and do….In the name of Islam.


Bright said:

That's what we've been trying to tell the redneck conservative up there, but he doesn't seem to be getting it clear. He thinks us (99%) can magically control the less than 1% who do have extreme views...Maybe, you David should get up and do something yourself instead of sitting in your chair complaining lol


David responds:

Well, we did try to bomb the basterds back to the stone ages but that didn't work too well. Trying to talk with them hasn't worked to well either. So, why don’t you peace loving pacifist Muslims give it a shot. If you're lucky, they won’t cut your heads off.

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lavendar_star: @ dog, Um no I m not hostile to Americans ( I have plenty on my friends list and had a few American friends in the real world) but I'm bit wary of the Jingoist American (far right) conservatives that I have encountred on this site who are quite hostile to me or anyone who isnt American or conservative but my bad or is back for assuming your one of them.lol

Also after 10 years it seem the allies troops are not getting the job done as you put it and possibly making things worse and both innocent civilians and troops are contuning to die.

When did I suggest anyone’s beliefs should be outlawed even though it has happened i.e. like in your country when interracial marriages was illegal I'm sure there was and still is some conservatives who wanted that to stay illegal and same with homosexuality. I do think forcing those religious beliefs on people which could affect one’s life who dont share them is different kettle of fish!!!!!!!!!!!! There has been threads about why conservatives dont support gay marriages and my experience with some conservative religious folk has been mainly they stick to their opinion no matter what a part from a few.

This thread in my opinion (which I didnt start btw) was noting the similarities between religious conservatives and I see no issue with that. Personally I dont see how one would change anyone’s opinion to any big degree especially when it comes to religious conviction even when you present evidence or a rational argument, you normally just get insults like being damned to hell or my fav that demons are controlling you mind lol, this is wire not facebook.

BTW where have I berated anyone’s relgious beliefs I just pointed similarities out and why would I feel good if I was lol my gosh!!!!!!!!! Also the OP link which showed some sick ideaology concerning rape in my opinion deserves to be berated and lampooned but I get your point non the less.

dogeeda: @ lavendar they have been nation building instead of fighting and leaving. i don't support this long term occupation

i never said you said to outlaw anything. was just a question

religious beliefs are no less valid than secular beliefs. in a democracy they count the same. if you wanna prevail you must persuade.

this thread will insult christians because whether by design or not it makes them think they are being equated to fundamentalist muslims who kill people.

i never said you berated anyone and if i misstated and implied that i apologize. meant to say the question of the thread does this either by design or not