How Israel shattered Gaza truce leading to escalating death and tragedy: a timeline (Page 2)

billy_piper
billy_piper: ...and murdering 5 year olds? guilty of war crimes? its a long list.

i kinda hoped a more grown up response from a man of your years, it would seem youre incapable and perhaps mentally challenged somewhat - although that was quite obvious in your spate of pro romney nonsense for the weeks running up to your (not romney's) spectacular defeat.

anyhow, i logged on again to try and show were all grown ups here (your presence accepted as the exception), and post a video of an arab idiot just to show im not biased.

its so sickening david you have no feelings for the innocent people who arent part of your delusion of belonging to some wack tribe.

heres hamas talking about how great it is to murder israelis.

DONT SHHOT AT ARABS AND YOU WONT HAVE BLAH BLAH BLAH - BOOOOOOM! BYE SCHOOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g0wJXf2nt4Y
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dave3974
dave3974: why do you think that anyone not as twisted as you is a zionist
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billy_piper
billy_piper: only zionists approve of this awful situation. spare us the weak insults and post somthing of substance pulease.

sorry for derailing your fine informative thread OP.

folks i urge you to see the talk mr peled gave recently on possible solutions to this bloodshed, it proves not all israelis are paranoid nutters. the guy lived and served in the israeli forces and has a educated experienced informed opinion of whats happening there.

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chronology
chronology: Guys. Let us all just call for both sides to resume Peace talks and stop the violence. You only have to check out the web and look at the News to see how many people around the world are concerned for both Israelis and Palestinians. Remember for a Jewish family or Palestinian family the loss of a loved one is a tragedy not a News Bite. It is not just Gaza, Jewish families on the boarder with Gaza are living in danger, but the Media are not reporting this. So come on Guys, let us all urge both sides to resume Peace and Talks.
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billy_piper
billy_piper: hooray!
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nellie77
nellie77: That's the problem chronology too much action and not enough talk...
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Comrade_
Comrade_: I think it is too much talk and not enough actions towards positive progress.
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nellie77
nellie77: Action for them means bombings and killings, seems this whole region is quiet capable of that, and talk? Hmm yeah I agree they need to do something positive and reach some compromise, but hay I think they are all bad as each other...

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davidk14
davidk14: .

Folks. Let's agree on at least one point....

Israel is going nowhere. The six million Jews are not giving up one inch of land to anyone. Period. She will defend herself and when Hamas uses women and children as human shields, that is what you should be condemning.

The only way that Israel ceases to exist is for a military greater than them to wipe them out. That just ain't gonna happen. The only military that might be capable is Iran and then Russia. Just ain't gonna happen. Well, actually Egypt could pose a challenge but Israel is pretty well protected themselves from a possible Egyptian surprise attack on Israel on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in Judaism in 1973 which Israel kicked their butts.


So, for the bloodshed to stop, the Israeli's and the Palestinians must agree on at least two points...

1) Dismantle Hamas and Hezbollah
2) Accept the West Bank and Gaza as the homeland of Palestinians (boundaries to be determined later)

Those two items are a minimum for this to all end. I truly believe, Israel will abandon more land for the Palestinians since that has already been proposed.

Israel is not going away. So you can rant and rave, kick and scream, Israel is not going away.

Hamas must accept this as fact and stop the murdering of Jews.

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billy_piper
billy_piper: "Hamas must accept this as fact and stop the murdering of Jews."

i agree, for the sake of humaity.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: Davidk, do you support Palestine's UN bid later in the month?
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davidk14
davidk14: .

No. Here's just a few reasons. First point, with the upgrade, the Palestinians can go to the International Courts and file claims of war crimes against Israel. Yet they can not be prosecuted for the same. Second point, they could sue to the pre-1967 borders which could mean the 1948 borders. In both points, these could end up in courts for decades.

Any sort of negotiations would of course not happen while the courts are arguing cases.


And to believe only two points would be brought to the courts? You would have to be on crack to believe that dozens if not hundreds of court cases, from both sides would hit the international court system and that would effectively end any form of negotiations.

And would anyone think that Hamas will behave themselves for decades while all these cases are in the courts?? Lose...lose....for all.

One on one negotiations are the only way. Hamas will not allow that to happen. The ONLY way is for Hamas be de-clawed.


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Comrade_
Comrade_: And you don't think they have any rights to be able to present cases to the International Courts? vs 'negotiations'. They also said that they'll be willing to continue negotiation but the upgrade will make them be taken seriously.

Any deeper points as to why it will be a gain to have Palestine remain at a lower level and not give them any recognition?
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davidk14
davidk14: .

No they have no rights. They are a terrorist organization who kills JEWS. What don't you understand here? Hamas is a terrorist organization that is devoted to the destruction of Israel and the elimination of JEWS. I do not know how many other ways to say this.

IF the Palestinian poeple are serious about peace, serious about becoming a nation, then they must stop murdering JEWS. Simple as that.

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Comrade_
Comrade_:
I want to see them upgraded and to get their cases heard, would be interesting.

Pity you don't think that Palestinians have rights or deserve to build into a nation. But that's your opinion, you'd be entitled to that.
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yawaar
yawaar: Turkey Labels Israel a 'Terrorist State'

Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused Israel of being a "terrorist state" on Monday and criticized world powers for supporting the weeklong bombardment of Gaza that has killed more some 115 people, signaling that the three-year-old rift between the countries is deepening

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323353204578128880612421650.html

many more lives will be shed before world will open their eyes. By that time there will be holocaust in middle east and world will realize this time it is in the name of religion and zionism.
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yawaar
yawaar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=jkmvP_H5GpA
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Yawaar,

Turkey is not friends with Israel now are they. So who cares.

Jack said:

Pity you don't think that Palestinians have rights or deserve to build into a nation. But that's your opinion, you'd be entitled to that.


David responds:

Oh Jackie...no so. The Palestinian people have every right to be free without using Hamas or Hezbollah or Iran as their recommendations. If I received an application and saw as references Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria, I would have to pass. Let them drop these terrorist organizations and then call me in the morning. I'll set up an appointment.

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nellie77
nellie77: I don't support any terrorist organizations, I think back to Americas history, the Jewsih organizations that control out perceptions on who's the good guy..
There are no good guys, they are all terrorists..
Just type Zionism, anyone with any brains would know they Wanted to exploit The indigenous people and dispose of them...
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Comrade_
Comrade_:
Davidk, there's no "every right to be free without". The Palestinians deserves to be free and to build themselves. You can't expect peace by keeping a group of people on a leash or preventing proper progress, or sending them back to the 'dark ages'. You can't see that it is what is being done, and it is clearly not working for the region. (or maybe you do see).

One can set up all the 'appointments', one wants and think that the anger/frustration of the people there comes from one group merely being 'jewish' and nothing else. Maybe it's more comfortable to think that way and not think that that feeling can also stem from other things.
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billy_piper
billy_piper: a problem and a big one if im not mistaken is islamic scripture teaches muslims that one day they will wage a 'holy' war against the jews.

which kinda makes peace impossible unless islam radically changes.

religons suck.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: The problem has religious roots yes, one side also teaches that the land there is destined to them, how will that be 'taken' who knows. But I do think that there are other factors that fuel the hate there. And no, I've not heard anything on waging a holy war against 'jews' in the Quran. Perhaps a Muslim would make that clearer.
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billy_piper
billy_piper: the religious roots i think are the problem more than people realise or like to admit.

in the 1st chapter of the koran for example (which is read numerous times in all of the 5 daily prayers), there is a sentence which translates something like ' guide us on the straight path of those you favored, not of those who earnt your anger or those who went astray'...

^its common knowledge the ones who the muslims are taught earned gods anger are the jews and the ones who went astray, are apparently christians (for taking their prophet as a god).

please dont get me wrong Jack, im not saying this is a muslim bashing exercise here, id bet the same bigotry exists among self righteous christians and jews also.

thats the problem, everyone thinks theyre right and eventually they want to murder each other in the worst case scenario.

its bollocks.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: No, I'd just prefer to get that confirmed by a Muslim, than assume.

I do agree with you when you say: "thats the problem, everyone thinks theyre right and eventually they want to murder each other in the worst case scenario." ...I've seen it on both sides of the line. While some want to say that they don't want to murder or hate, there are groups within those groups that do. Some are open and others are not so open in expressing it but it is there.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Hamas has openly stated their goal is to eliminate the Jewish State of Israel and exterminate the Jews. Hamas was created by the Muslim Brotherhood precisely for this purpose. There's no question about that. They have publicly and privately stated this.

So, Israeli's take this seriously and wants to eliminate Hamas. Never again will the Jews be exterminated for just being Jews.

You either agree with these points, or you don't.

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